Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Jason P wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.

    1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
    2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?

    I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
    Is voting a right?

    I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.

    can a non-us citizen living in the usa vote?
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    fife wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.

    1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
    2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?

    I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
    Is voting a right?

    I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.

    can a non-us citizen living in the usa vote?

    No
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    2. No, I believe that you should be 18 to buy weapons and ammunition. I guess I'm also okay with 21 for handguns.
    You don't have to be 18 to buy ammo. Unless something has changed in the last decade or so.

    Federal Law: 18 for long gun, 21 for handgun
    Well, I guess folks in my area didn't care back when I was a kid. I used to buy .22 and shotgun shells all the time.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    Jason P wrote:
    Well, I guess folks in my area didn't care back when I was a kid. I used to buy .22 and shotgun shells all the time.
    people were not shooting the shit out of people in public places back when you and i were kids though...
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Jason P wrote:
    Well, I guess folks in my area didn't care back when I was a kid. I used to buy .22 and shotgun shells all the time.

    Yes, I'm not sure when the law changed or when it was put in. I'm sure people still don't care in places.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Well, I guess folks in my area didn't care back when I was a kid. I used to buy .22 and shotgun shells all the time.

    Yes, I'm not sure when the law changed or when it was put in. I'm sure people still don't care in places.
    I just find it hilarious that people in the states can vote, get married, fight wars, and buy guns when they are 18, but can't legally drink a beer until they're 21. :lol: :fp:
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    fife wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.

    1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
    2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?

    I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
    Is voting a right?

    I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.

    can a non-us citizen living in the usa vote?
    can a woodchuck chuck wood if a woodchuck could chuck wood? :)

    The point is that each right has restrictions. Do you propose adding legislation that only US citizens can purchase guns?
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Well, I guess folks in my area didn't care back when I was a kid. I used to buy .22 and shotgun shells all the time.
    people were not shooting the shit out of people in public places back when you and i were kids though...

    What about the "Going Postal" incidents?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I just find it hilarious that people in the states can vote, get married, fight wars, and buy guns when they are 18, but can't legally drink a beer until they're 21. :lol: :fp:
    That was my beef when I signed my draft papers! I can go kill dudes but not walk into a bar and order a High Life?

    :fp:
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Jason P wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I just find it hilarious that people in the states can vote, get married, fight wars, and buy guns when they are 18, but can't legally drink a beer until they're 21. :lol: :fp:
    That was my beef when I signed my draft papers! I can go kill dudes but not walk into a bar and order a High Life?

    :fp:

    Same here shrug.gif
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,055
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Well, I guess folks in my area didn't care back when I was a kid. I used to buy .22 and shotgun shells all the time.
    people were not shooting the shit out of people in public places back when you and i were kids though...

    What about the "Going Postal" incidents?
    i'm 37. i was not a child in the mid 90s.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i'm 37. i was not a child in the mid 90s.

    1983, 1985, 1986... Not as many people, of course... but, shooting is shooting.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Well, I guess folks in my area didn't care back when I was a kid. I used to buy .22 and shotgun shells all the time.
    people were not shooting the shit out of people in public places back when you and i were kids though...
    I guess not.

    When I was a freshman, a student a floor below me shot our counselor with a shotgun after he caught him using drugs. I didn't hear the shot, but found out about it on the news when I noticed SWAT teams swarming the outside of the building. It was kind of scary running out of the building and not knowing where the kid was. After 5 hours, they discovered the kid had went back to his room and blown his head off.

    Don't know if there was a point to that story ... just trying to think back when the simpler times ended.
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    Shootings have been happening in public places for a long long time. It's just become so normal to see it on television now, I would wager.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jason P wrote:
    When I was a freshman, a student a floor below me shot our counselor with a shotgun after he caught him using drugs. I didn't hear the shot, but found out about it on the news when I noticed SWAT teams swarming the outside of the building. It was kind of scary running out of the building and not knowing where the kid was. After 5 hours, they discovered the kid had went back to his room and blown his head off.

    Don't know if there was a point to that story ... just trying to think back when the simpler times ended.
    ...
    It used to be shocking that there would be metal detectors in schools... it is now so common place, we think nothing of it.
    ...
    Also... America dodged a bullet (so to speak) when those two North Hollywood gunmen were only bank robbers and not psycho Columbine type mass murderers.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Also... America dodged a bullet (so to speak) when those two North Hollywood gunmen were only bank robbers and not psycho Columbine type mass murderers.
    Yeah, they fired over 2,000 rounds. It's amazing they were the only two killed.

    I remember the parents of one of the robbers suing because the cops let him bleed out. :fp:
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    Cosmo wrote:
    Also... America dodged a bullet (so to speak) when those two North Hollywood gunmen were only bank robbers and not psycho Columbine type mass murderers.
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    That was insane. I couldnt believe what I was seeing when that was on TV.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
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    fife wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.

    1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
    2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?

    I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
    Is voting a right?

    I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.

    can a non-us citizen living in the usa vote?
    can a woodchuck chuck wood if a woodchuck could chuck wood? :)

    The point is that each right has restrictions. Do you propose adding legislation that only US citizens can purchase guns?[/quote]

    see that is exactly the point. each right does have restrictions so why can't we restrict the amount of guns that people can buy and why can't we restrict the type of guns that people buy.

    if as people suggest guns are for protection why then does a person need to have more than 1 gun? why does my uncle have over 50 guns?
  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    fife wrote:
    if as people suggest guns are for protection why then does a person need to have more than 1 gun? why does my uncle have over 50 guns?

    Because I'm not going to go bird hunting with a Glock 9
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    fife wrote:
    if as people suggest guns are for protection why then does a person need to have more than 1 gun? why does my uncle have over 50 guns?

    Because I'm not going to go bird hunting with a Glock 9
    :lol: That would almost be funny to see!
    50 guns though? That's pretty crazy. No matter what you do with guns, there is no need for that. That's 50 guns that could be stolen/sold sometime during their lifespan and move into the illegal trade .... The hunting argument rubs me the wrong way in any case - hunting for entertainment (i.e. even if you eat it after but actually do it for fun and can afford the grocery store) sucks. I hate it. But that's just me.
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