ACLU backs Chick-fil-A

Better Dan · August 2012

Cosmo wrote:

Better Dan wrote:

Some people did just go by what that guy said. I've read online comments (on facebook and news forums) where people say they love the food, but won't go there anymore due to Cathy's comments. This is ridiculous to me..we're just eating at a restaurant not voting him into public office. :fp:

For those that won't go there due to the company's donations, I 100 percent understand that, but I think (and I could be wrong) that this is a small minority of the people upset. I mean, the company has been donating to those causes for a while. The uproar only started after Cathy's comments stating he supported traditional marriage. I don't agree with Cathy but whatever...I wouldn't vote for him but I'll still eat at his business.

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Question: Does the subject of opinion matter to you?
Example, If the guy said he completely understands the motives behind the attacks of September 11, 2001 and that America deserved to be attacked... or that he believes the Jews invented the holocaust story in order to gain sympathy... or that God Hates Dead American Soldiers...
Would you still support his business?
After all, those would only be his opinions and have nothing to do with chicken sandwiches. It is your choice to buy or not.

Good question, and one I actually asked myself. If he said those things I would probably find it hard to support his business. In this case though, I've alwasy known he was religious and so him saying he doesn't support G/L marriage isn't a surprise. Again, I strongly disagree with his stance, but I also find the things you mentioned above a lot worse than what he actually said to the baptist magazine that sparked the controversy.

PJ_Soul · August 2012

I will boycott any business that makes public statements that I think are against human and civil rights. I don't understand how anyone can think that the two are unrelated. Buying things from a business is the same as giving your support to them. Your money goes to whatever causes they support or helps to support the people who support those causes... Saying it makes no difference is like saying it makes no difference if you shop at Wal-Mart but are against mega corporations destroying small and local business.

PJ_Soul · August 2012

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Better Dan wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

I havent really paid much attention to this whole Chick-Fil-A drama..

But bottom line..

The owner/President/CEO/whatever the fuck he is....
Announces he doesnt believe in Same Sex Marriage...
So now I/YOU/WE/Everyone is supposed to boycott this guys Chicken Joints?
No chicken for us..Because this guy doesnt believe in Same Sex Marriage...

Is this it?
Or is there more to it?
If there is more...Please explain

That's pretty much it. A few people also did research and found that Chick Fil A donates to causes that don't support same sex marriage (which it has for a while), but I think most people boycotting Chick Fil A aren't aware of this and are just boycotting it based on the president's comments.

Really?
Thats about it huh?
I cant/wont/shouldnt eat at this guys Chicken Joints because he doesnt believe in Same Sex Marriage....

Now do I, should I, will I, use this same policy when I walk in to my local grocery store? When I go to get an oil change? When I go to buy a pair of shoes? Should I be questioning all the employees on their political beliefs? Religious beliefs? Their stance on abortion? How they feel about legalizing drugs? Or is it just the people in charge, whose opinions and beliefs I should question?

Yeah, just the people in charge. Also, there is a big difference between personal beliefs and making public statements under the name of the business.

PJ_Soul · August 2012

Better Dan wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Better Dan wrote:

Some people did just go by what that guy said. I've read online comments (on facebook and news forums) where people say they love the food, but won't go there anymore due to Cathy's comments. This is ridiculous to me..we're just eating at a restaurant not voting him into public office. :fp:

For those that won't go there due to the company's donations, I 100 percent understand that, but I think (and I could be wrong) that this is a small minority of the people upset. I mean, the company has been donating to those causes for a while. The uproar only started after Cathy's comments stating he supported traditional marriage. I don't agree with Cathy but whatever...I wouldn't vote for him but I'll still eat at his business.

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Question: Does the subject of opinion matter to you?
Example, If the guy said he completely understands the motives behind the attacks of September 11, 2001 and that America deserved to be attacked... or that he believes the Jews invented the holocaust story in order to gain sympathy... or that God Hates Dead American Soldiers...
Would you still support his business?
After all, those would only be his opinions and have nothing to do with chicken sandwiches. It is your choice to buy or not.

Good question, and one I actually asked myself. If he said those things I would probably find it hard to support his business. In this case though, I've alwasy known he was religious and so him saying he doesn't support G/L marriage isn't a surprise. Again, I strongly disagree with his stance, but I also find the things you mentioned above a lot worse than what he actually said to the baptist magazine that sparked the controversy.

You probably find those other things worse because you're not gay and fighting for your civil rights. To some people, particularly gay people who feel this is a matter of their human and civil rights, it's a very profound issue - just as serious as antisemitism, and certainly more serious than someone saying that God hates American soldiers.

comebackgirl · August 2012

Better Dan wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

does anyone think that because Chick fil A owner guy said I don't support gay marriage that anyone who was on the fence suddenly agreed? honestly?

Number one reason for me not to go to a restaurant is shitty food. Politics would remain at the bottom, because I simply don't care and realize that franchise owners are the ones who will suffer because of something totally out of their control...

But again, who do we think was waiting to hear from this guy that gay marriage wasn't ok before they made their decision?

Some people did just go by what that guy said. I've read online comments (on facebook and news forums) where people say they love the food, but won't go there anymore due to Cathy's comments. This is ridiculous to me..we're just eating at a restaurant not voting him into public office. :fp:

For those that won't go there due to the company's donations, I 100 percent understand that, but I think (and I could be wrong) that this is a small minority of the people upset. I mean, the company has been donating to those causes for a while. The uproar only started after Cathy's comments stating he supported traditional marriage. I don't agree with Cathy but whatever...I wouldn't vote for him but I'll still eat at his business.

I also heard some people being interviewed on the news today that said they had never eaten at Chick-fil-A, but would eat there today. Whatever :roll: Enjoy your shitty sandwich.

There has been some rumblings about this before Cathy's comments. The students/staff/faculty on my campus were expressing discontent that Chick-fil-A was being brought to our campus last fall because of the company's donations.

Cosmo · August 2012

Better Dan wrote:

Good question, and one I actually asked myself. If he said those things I would probably find it hard to support his business. In this case though, I've alwasy known he was religious and so him saying he doesn't support G/L marriage isn't a surprise. Again, I strongly disagree with his stance, but I also find the things you mentioned above a lot worse than what he actually said to the baptist magazine that sparked the controversy.

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Thanx for your response.
And I'm with you on this... I already knew that the franchise chain was 'Christian Operated', so you could have easily guessed what his stance on Gay Marriage would be. He probably believes in Creation, too. Not news to me, and not a problem to me... I knew this going in.
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Now, if his operation did stuff like only hire Christians... or only served Christians... then, there would be a problem. The thing is... they don't do that. You don't have to be a Christians to work there or to eat there. They don't pester you about Christian beliefs... in fact, the people there were very nice. I have no problem with people's religions... i just don't happen to like their sandwiches and there are a ton of other (better) food options open to me. That's why I don't go there... and I really don't care if people like their food and eat there or don't like his opinion and don't eat there.

Godfather. · August 2012

Chris Johnson sees a double standard. “He (Dan Cathy) said the exact same thing that President Obama said,” Johnson told Fox News -- referring to the president’s past opposition to gay marriage – “And he gets negativity, and Obama gets positivity.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08 ... z22K5SzJRy

bottom line here is chic fil a is laughing all the way to the bank just couse a few politions got their pantys in a bunch over a comment made by one man and his beliefs. I gotta laugh !!!

think I'll go have some chic fil a for dinner tonight

Godfather.

PJ_Soul · August 2012

Cosmo wrote:

Better Dan wrote:

Good question, and one I actually asked myself. If he said those things I would probably find it hard to support his business. In this case though, I've alwasy known he was religious and so him saying he doesn't support G/L marriage isn't a surprise. Again, I strongly disagree with his stance, but I also find the things you mentioned above a lot worse than what he actually said to the baptist magazine that sparked the controversy.

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Thanx for your response.
And I'm with you on this... I already knew that the franchise chain was 'Christian Operated', so you could have easily guessed what his stance on Gay Marriage would be. He probably believes in Creation, too. Not news to me, and not a problem to me... I knew this going in.
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Now, if his operation did stuff like only hire Christians... or only served Christians... then, there would be a problem. The thing is... they don't do that. You don't have to be a Christians to work there or to eat there. They don't pester you about Christian beliefs... in fact, the people there were very nice. I have no problem with people's religions... i just don't happen to like their sandwiches and there are a ton of other (better) food options open to me. That's why I don't go there... and I really don't care if people like their food and eat there or don't like his opinion and don't eat there.

I bet they only hire heterosexuals though... I'm sure you have to be straight to work there. I really don't see the difference. In fact, it's worse.

Godfather. · August 2012

by the way that's a real polition that can change his moral values for the popular vote.

Godfather.

PJ_Soul · August 2012

Godfather. wrote:

by the way that's a real polition that can change his moral values for the popular vote.

Godfather.

I don't really care how he feels personally. But making a public statement about it is a whole other story. It promotes bigotry. Not the same at all as some guy simply personally feeling some way about something.

Godfather. · August 2012

PJ_Soul wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

by the way that's a real polition that can change his moral values for the popular vote.

Godfather.

I don't really care how he feels personally. But making a public statement about it is a whole other story. It promotes bigotry. Not the same at all as some guy simply personally feeling some way about something.

how does it promote bigotry ?

Godfather.

PJ_Soul · August 2012

Godfather. wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

by the way that's a real polition that can change his moral values for the popular vote.

Godfather.

I don't really care how he feels personally. But making a public statement about it is a whole other story. It promotes bigotry. Not the same at all as some guy simply personally feeling some way about something.

how does it promote bigotry ?

Godfather.

I think that's so obvious that I'm not sure why I have to explain it, but okay. Public figures coming out and making announcements (or staking their national businesses on it) about their bigoted beliefs puts strength behind any movement that stands for the same bigotry. It encourages other individuals to come out and be open about their bigotry. It rallies people to be outspoken against those people they are bigoted towards. It substantiates the bigotry and makes it seem more mainstream, thus silently telling people that it's okay to be openly bigoted.

Cosmo · August 2012

PJ_Soul wrote:

I bet they only hire heterosexuals though... I'm sure you have to be straight to work there. I really don't see the difference. In fact, it's worse.

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The thing is... we don't know. And if they DO discriminate against Gays, they cannot ask if someone is gay or not.... that is against the law and they will have to face the consequences.
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I'm all for Gay Marriage rights. I am against local governments trying to impose penalties on people's legitimate business, because of their owner's opinions. Just as I would be against a local government restricting permits for a legitimate business whose owner supports Gay Marriage.
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As for the Chik-a-fil thng... if people want to boycott or support them, for whatever opinion they have, fine. I just think this thing has gotten way overblown... mostly BECAUSE of the boycotts and protests and the politicians raised it to a higher level by trying to restrict access to them as a business.

Better Dan · August 2012

Cosmo wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I bet they only hire heterosexuals though... I'm sure you have to be straight to work there. I really don't see the difference. In fact, it's worse.

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The thing is... we don't know. And if they DO discriminate against Gays, they cannot ask if someone is gay or not.... that is against the law and they will have to face the consequences.
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I'm all for Gay Marriage rights. I am against local governments trying to impose penalties on people's legitimate business, because of their owner's opinions. Just as I would be against a local government restricting permits for a legitimate business whose owner supports Gay Marriage.
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As for the Chik-a-fil thng... if people want to boycott or support them, for whatever opinion they have, fine. I just think this thing has gotten way overblown... mostly BECAUSE of the boycotts and protests and the politicians raised it to a higher level by trying to restrict access to them as a business.

Definitely way overblown. I say if you like the food go there, if you don't like the food or the company's practices then don't. I actually thought it was kind've sad to see the number of people standing in line at "Chick Fil A" day to show their support. Why? Becaue I think they are making a statement of bigotry...and it was heartbreaking to see so many people in one place that are against civil rights. Others may think I am as well because I will eat there again, but I don't see it that way..I'm just going somewhere to eat..not going there BECAUSE of the owners belifs, like the majority of people in line today are.

PJ_Soul · August 2012

Cosmo wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I bet they only hire heterosexuals though... I'm sure you have to be straight to work there. I really don't see the difference. In fact, it's worse.

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The thing is... we don't know. And if they DO discriminate against Gays, they cannot ask if someone is gay or not.... that is against the law and they will have to face the consequences.
...
I'm all for Gay Marriage rights. I am against local governments trying to impose penalties on people's legitimate business, because of their owner's opinions. Just as I would be against a local government restricting permits for a legitimate business whose owner supports Gay Marriage.
...
As for the Chik-a-fil thng... if people want to boycott or support them, for whatever opinion they have, fine. I just think this thing has gotten way overblown... mostly BECAUSE of the boycotts and protests and the politicians raised it to a higher level by trying to restrict access to them as a business.

I'm not for any penalties from the government either. I've already said that history will judge these fuckers harshly, and that civil rights take time.... was anyone suggesting that the government intervene?? If so, I didn't see that post.

I don't think this has been overblown though. It think shit like this SHOULD be made into a big deal. It brings attention to the issue - it is part of the fight for civil rights. Ignoring this kind of thing is what allows the bigotry to continue. This kind of thing should always be called out and rallied against IMO. The issue needs to stay in the forefront; not be swept under the rug. People need to stay mad and aware I think. The FIGHT needs to be as pronounced as possible. Change will not happen over time if people just keep it nicey-nice.

comebackgirl · August 2012

While I don't think the government should be involved in this, I do think the public has a right to express their support or condemnation for the views by whether or not they choose to give Chick-fil-A their business. The students on our campus are in a predicament though. They're required to pay student fees that help pay for all of food services on campus, including Chick-fil-A. Anyone living on campus has to have a food plan, and the food plan covers all of the eateries on campus; they don't get a say in that. So the LGBT students and their allies are in a way forced to support this establishment. I think that's an issue. I don't know if the school would remove Chick-fil-A from campus or change the way food service fees are set up, but it's creating a stir and everyone is still on summer break.

Cosmo · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

While I don't think the government should be involved in this, I do think the public has a right to express their support or condemnation for the views by whether or not they choose to give Chick-fil-A their business. The students on our campus are in a predicament though. They're required to pay student fees that help pay for all of food services on campus, including Chick-fil-A. Anyone living on campus has to have a food plan, and the food plan covers all of the eateries on campus; they don't get a say in that. So the LGBT students and their allies are in a way forced to support this establishment. I think that's an issue. I don't know if the school would remove Chick-fil-A from campus or change the way food service fees are set up, but it's creating a stir and everyone is still on summer break.

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The school is in a tight spot and I think having the institution try to remove them would be a bad move. That is a tought one. One alternative would be to alter the food plan and let the students choose which food services get what percentage of their costs. This would allow those whom oppose Chik-a-fil to place their money in other places... and those whom support them to do the opposite. The same way a vegetarian, for example, could ship his funding to vegetatrian outlets, instead of McDonalds.
But, I completely understand personal boycotts and/or support.

josevolution · August 2012

Ok glad i don't eat any fast foods i only eat at from my local Bodega

PJ_Soul · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

While I don't think the government should be involved in this, I do think the public has a right to express their support or condemnation for the views by whether or not they choose to give Chick-fil-A their business. The students on our campus are in a predicament though. They're required to pay student fees that help pay for all of food services on campus, including Chick-fil-A. Anyone living on campus has to have a food plan, and the food plan covers all of the eateries on campus; they don't get a say in that. So the LGBT students and their allies are in a way forced to support this establishment. I think that's an issue. I don't know if the school would remove Chick-fil-A from campus or change the way food service fees are set up, but it's creating a stir and everyone is still on summer break.

I'd be interested to hear how that turns out!

I work at a university, and I really don't know what my school would do in that situation, but I suspect they'd definitely do something - there is a strong LGBT community here, and the university is behind them.

Cosmo · August 2012

PJ_Soul wrote:

I'm not for any penalties from the government either. I've already said that history will judge these fuckers harshly, and that civil rights take time.... was anyone suggesting that the government intervene?? If so, I didn't see that post.

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It was from city Mayors getting into the fray by saying they would not offer permits to Chik-a-fil because of it's owner's opinion. It's all just blatant political posturing.
I am diametrically opposed to the owner's opinion... but, I do not think that his legitimate business should suffer legislative punishment because of his opinion. If his business practices were illegal, such as unfair hiring/firing practices based upon sexual preference, then, they would be able to enforce it. But, not on opinion.

ACLU backs Chick-fil-A

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