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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,336
    Trayvon's mother said it was probably an accident.

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... w-accident

    I thought the state attorney did a good job at the press conference last night.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    alright, so trayvon's family and zimmerman are going to get their day in court.

    that is all i was asking for, that the legal process begin and then run it's course.

    So, if he's found innocent you'll be happy then?
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    Jason P wrote:
    How do you select a jury for this case? You literally have to grab people that are coming out of comas.

    You get the people that are too busy being pissed off about Guillen's Castro comments to even think about this case!
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    2nd degree murder? Wow, I figured manslaughter, not this. Maybe they shoot for 2nd deg murder, figuring they settle on manslaughter?
    They must have something interesting to show.
    I guess we might finally see the pictures of all of Zimmerman's injuries too.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,026
    cincybearcat wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    alright, so trayvon's family and zimmerman are going to get their day in court.

    that is all i was asking for, that the legal process begin and then run it's course.

    So, if he's found innocent you'll be happy then?
    i won't be happy, but all i want is the judicial process to be carried out. trayvon's family and zimmerman deserve to have that. if he is found guilty, grand, if not, they both got their day in court.

    i just do not want this crime to be swept under the rug, as has happened so many times before.
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    the outcome is not going to please everyone that's for sure and I hope
    we don't lose more rights because of Zimmerman

    after the strip search law I'm really beginning to wonder :wtf:
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    alright, so trayvon's family and zimmerman are going to get their day in court.

    that is all i was asking for, that the legal process begin and then run it's course.

    So, if he's found innocent you'll be happy then?
    i won't be happy, but all i want is the judicial process to be carried out. trayvon's family and zimmerman deserve to have that. if he is found guilty, grand, if not, they both got their day in court.

    i just do not want this crime to be swept under the rug, as has happened so many times before.

    Good post Gimme.. I agree. From the little we know, I imagine it would be very difficult to convict him. But maybe there's more to the story. Either way, I think it sends a good message that this controversial statute, Stand Your Ground, is under the microscope. Otherwise, the wild west mentality in Florida will just get worse.
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  • Monster Rain
    Monster Rain Posts: 1,415
    It'll be interesting to see if there's any information that comes out during the course of the trial that we don't already know that led to the 2nd-degree murder charge-- maybe other eyewitnesses, forensic evidence, etc. that made the prosecutor think that charge is warranted.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    2nd degree murder? Wow, I figured manslaughter, not this. Maybe they shoot for 2nd deg murder, figuring they settle on manslaughter?
    They must have something interesting to show.
    I guess we might finally see the pictures of all of Zimmerman's injuries too.
    It's either make him do hard time or potential wide-spread rioting. What do you think Al Sharpton's response would have been if only manslaughter charges were filed? That would not have appeased him or the community he represents.

    Zimmerman is going down. The media's rush to get the jump on information without fact-checking and good research sealed his fate weeks ago. The people want blood now.

    So be it if it preserves order.
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  • 81
    81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    Jason P wrote:
    The people want blood now.

    So be it if it preserves order.

    so you like to sacrifice people :fp:
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    81 wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    The people want blood now.

    So be it if it preserves order.

    so you like to sacrifice people :fp:
    Preferably in volcanoes but I'll make due with an old fashioned alter and dagger if necessary.

    The only way to avoid a sacrifice is for community leaders and the media to admit they were carried away and made this case into a sensational story of racism before knowing any facts or circumstances ... ask that kid from Rutgers if he thinks that will happen.

    As it stands, damage control is necessary.
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  • 81
    81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    Jason P wrote:
    The only way to avoid a sacrifice is for community leaders and the media to admit they were carried away and made this case into a sensational story of racism before knowing any facts or circumstances



    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    funniest thing i've read all day.
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    This has been on my commute all week. Under the RIP to the left it reads

    While
    the
    Neighbor
    Hood
    Watch

    Martin.jpg

    Things I have been reading in other places are:

    Mob rule
    Overcharging
    Tried in press

    I don't know how the case will play out, anyones guess i suppose. What I feel confident about however is that no matter how it plays out, there will be riots.

    Why this turned into a race narrative is whack. Can't believe the press reported that Zimmerman was white and edited phone calls. whoops.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    I don't know how the case will play out, anyones guess i suppose. What I feel confident about however is that no matter how it plays out, there will be riots.

    It really could get ugly (or uglier).
    usamamasan1 wrote:
    Why this turned into a race narrative is whack. Can't believe the press reported that Zimmerman was white and edited phone calls. whoops.

    what I can't believe more is that an unarmed kid was killed and this stand your ground law almost got him off (might still).

    The race thing should be let go already. and I'm surprised to hear that Zimmerman edited phone calls too. ;)
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Jason P wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    2nd degree murder? Wow, I figured manslaughter, not this. Maybe they shoot for 2nd deg murder, figuring they settle on manslaughter?
    They must have something interesting to show.
    I guess we might finally see the pictures of all of Zimmerman's injuries too.
    It's either make him do hard time or potential wide-spread rioting. What do you think Al Sharpton's response would have been if only manslaughter charges were filed? That would not have appeased him or the community he represents.

    Zimmerman is going down. The media's rush to get the jump on information without fact-checking and good research sealed his fate weeks ago. The people want blood now.

    So be it if it preserves order.

    it appeases the public. The national dialogue will be long over by the time it makes it to trial and we have a verdict...unless Florida allows juries to convict on lesser charges than the one brought, I think they have to know it will be very hard to get a conviction on Murder 2 with the evidence that has been shown. I imagine they have a "smoking gun" in their pocket. If they don't, they brought these charges out of political pressure and nothing more.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,660
    Jason P wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    2nd degree murder? Wow, I figured manslaughter, not this. Maybe they shoot for 2nd deg murder, figuring they settle on manslaughter?
    They must have something interesting to show.
    I guess we might finally see the pictures of all of Zimmerman's injuries too.
    It's either make him do hard time or potential wide-spread rioting. What do you think Al Sharpton's response would have been if only manslaughter charges were filed? That would not have appeased him or the community he represents.

    Zimmerman is going down. The media's rush to get the jump on information without fact-checking and good research sealed his fate weeks ago. The people want blood now.

    So be it if it preserves order.
    Someone please tell me about court cases where the media determined the outcome. I can't think of any at all. I don't think there is any reason whatsoever for people to be thinking that would actually happen.
    Also, DAs don't go around charging people for 2nd degree murder without fairly compelling evidence (although sure, it could be reduced to manslaughter or something). There is OBVIOUSLY some information that we don't have but the police and DA do, and, thus, information that the future jury does not know.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    it appeases the public.
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,057
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    2nd degree murder? Wow, I figured manslaughter, not this. Maybe they shoot for 2nd deg murder, figuring they settle on manslaughter?
    They must have something interesting to show.
    I guess we might finally see the pictures of all of Zimmerman's injuries too.
    It's either make him do hard time or potential wide-spread rioting. What do you think Al Sharpton's response would have been if only manslaughter charges were filed? That would not have appeased him or the community he represents.

    Zimmerman is going down. The media's rush to get the jump on information without fact-checking and good research sealed his fate weeks ago. The people want blood now.

    So be it if it preserves order.
    Someone please tell me about court cases where the media determined the outcome. I can't think of any at all. I don't think there is any reason whatsoever for people to be thinking that would actually happen.
    Also, DAs don't go around charging people for 2nd degree murder without fairly compelling evidence (although sure, it could be reduced to manslaughter or something). There is OBVIOUSLY some information that we don't have but the police and DA do, and, thus, information that the future jury does not know.

    Exactly. They're not going to ruin their own reputation and waste more money to appease a media that will move on anyway.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,289
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Someone please tell me about court cases where the media determined the outcome. I can't think of any at all. I don't think there is any reason whatsoever for people to be thinking that would actually happen.
    Also, DAs don't go around charging people for 2nd degree murder without fairly compelling evidence (although sure, it could be reduced to manslaughter or something). There is OBVIOUSLY some information that we don't have but the police and DA do, and, thus, information that the future jury does not know.
    The Rutgers case where the gay roommate threw himself off the GW bridge and he was convicted of a hate crime. The media reported a ton of untrue stuff and created a witch-hunt. It wouldn't even had been a case without the media push and furor they created by releasing false information. Go review the facts from the trial and judge for yourself, but if that kid got convicted on a hate crime based on his past, I should probably be locked up in a super-max prison right now for my childhood (it was a simpler time).

    And prosecutors do go after publicity cases without compelling evidence as displayed in the Duke lacrosse case. However, with the scrutiny of this case I have better faith that the prosecutor has a better case and will not be disbarred afterwards.

    And don't forget the wild card .... this is Florida we are talking about ;)
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    The Rutgers case where the gay roommate threw himself off the GW bridge and he was convicted of a hate crime. The media reported a ton of untrue stuff and created a witch-hunt. It wouldn't even had been a case without the media push and furor they created by releasing false information. Go review the facts from the trial and judge for yourself, but if that kid got convicted on a hate crime based on his past, I should probably be locked up in a super-max prison right now for my childhood (it was a simpler time).

    what part of the trial and verdict do you think was problematic? ... and is it your contention the exposure of this case and media focus is the reason why the trial went as it did?

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