Trayvon Martin

Indifference · March 2012

Monster Rain wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

well this sure throws a wrench into zimmerman's innocence. where's the blood from a broken nose? where's anything to stop the bleeding, or swelling, or anything? where's the cut on the back of his head? shit's getting crazier.

You have to keep in mind that paramedics treated Zimmerman at the scene before he was taken to the police station for questioning, so it would be very odd if he was still bleeding heavily enough to be seen clearly in that video (and there does appear to be a line on the back of his head that could be from a laceration). Also, you can see the one officer checking the back of his head as though he's making sure he's not still bleeding.

But that isn't what the media is telling me!

JonnyPistachio · March 2012

http://cdn.stripersonline.com/1/17/17ae5ce1_trayvondia.png

I dont know the credibility of this, but I've seen two photos and an interview that said the shooting took place in between these two buildings, not near Zimmermans house.

That would mean he had to have gotten out of his can and went in between houses into the back yards to pursue Martin.

Monster Rain · March 2012

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't see any blood on his clothing, not even trayvon's. seems to me if trayvon was on top of him and zimmerman shot him, gravity would make blood flow onto zimmerman. if he was in very close proximity to zimmerman, wouldn't there at least be a splatter on zimmerman??

there should be blood on him. either his from the wound to the back of the head or broken nose, or trayvon's blood if trayvon was on top of him at the time of the shooting.

I don't know if Zimmerman ever stated that Martin was on top of him when he shot him. I haven't seen that statement in any of the reports I've read. I think that's the assumption people have made after a witness claimed to have seen Martin on top of him, but the witness said, "When I got upstairs and looked down, the person that was on top beating up the other guy was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point." It sounds like that witness didn't see the actual shooting, just the part of the confrontation when Martin was beating up Zimmerman (so that doesn't tell us who started the fight or what happened when the gun was fired). It could very well be that Zimmerman was able to push Martin off of him and Martin charged at him again and that's when Zimmerman fired his gun. If that's the case, then there might not be any of Martin's blood on him. We really won't know until the investigation is over.

JonnyPistachio · March 2012

shadowcast wrote:

norm wrote:

surveillance video from stanford police station of zimmerman...now it's not vividly clear, but i don't see any wounds on his head either front or back

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-z ... e-16024475

Here is some images of a wound to his head. I also heard a good point last night that why wouldn't the "Stand your ground law" apply to Martin in this case. I mean you have a guy following him with a gun. Could be Martin was standing his ground.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/polic ... ad-injury/

Actually, I believe those photos have been altered. You can see in the one photo, it looks kinda normal. Then the second one has been brightened and the contrast has been altered. You can see a large glow on the officers head in one of the photos and no existing glow in the other. its been through photoshop. But you can watch the original video in several places.

If you watch the video, however, there is no evidence of any bandage or anything to prevent blood flow on his head. And heads bleed easily, so if he had an injury, it surely was minimal.

And I agree with Gimme, noses bleed profusely (usually), and if it had been bad, he would've likely needed some bandages.

But he is wearing a read coat, so who knows how much blood is obscured by that.

I would figure that if his nose was broken, there'd be hospital records, maybe even an X-ray? Also, I would assume in a case where someone is dead, the police would take photos of the assailants injuries. They'll likely come out if it goes any further.

Monster Rain · March 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

shadowcast wrote:

norm wrote:

surveillance video from stanford police station of zimmerman...now it's not vividly clear, but i don't see any wounds on his head either front or back

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-z ... e-16024475

Here is some images of a wound to his head. I also heard a good point last night that why wouldn't the "Stand your ground law" apply to Martin in this case. I mean you have a guy following him with a gun. Could be Martin was standing his ground.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/polic ... ad-injury/

Actually, I believe those photos have been altered. You can see in the one photo, it looks kinda normal. Then the second one has been brightened and the contrast has been altered. You can see a large glow on the officers head in one of the photos and no existing glow in the other. its been through photoshop. But you can watch the original video in several places.

If you watch the video, however, there is no evidence of any bandage or anything to prevent blood flow on his head. And heads bleed easily, so if he had an injury, it surely was minimal.

And I agree with Gimme, noses bleed profusely (usually), and if it had been bad, he would've likely needed some bandages.

But he is wearing a read coat, so who knows how much blood is obscured by that.

I would figure that if his nose was broken, there'd be hospital records, maybe even an X-ray? Also, I would assume in a case where someone is dead, the police would take photos of the assailants injuries. They'll likely come out if it goes any further.

It was stated in the police report that Zimmerman was treated for his injuries at the scene and then was taken into custody and questioned at the police station.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/ ... Report.pdf

If you're saying that the photos that appear to show a wound have been doctored, then you must also think that the officers who responded to the scene lied when they said Zimmerman's back was wet as if he'd been on his back in the wet grass and was bleeding from the nose and head and you must also believe that the officer in the surveilance video who is seen checking the back of Zimmerman's head only did it because he was in on the cover-up and knew the video would be leaked at some point.

Also, the caption beneath the photo says that it had been enhanced to show detail, so they're not trying to hide anything from anyone with regards to that picture.

JonnyPistachio · March 2012

Monster Rain wrote:

It was stated in the police report that Zimmerman was treated for his injuries at the scene and then was taken into custody and questioned at the police station.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/ ... Report.pdf

If you're saying that the photos that appear to show a wound have been doctored, then you must also think that the officers who responded to the scene lied when they said Zimmerman's back was wet as if he'd been on his back in the wet grass and was bleeding from the nose and head and you must also believe that the officer in the surveilance video who is seen checking the back of Zimmerman's head only did it because he was in on the cover-up and knew the video would be leaked at some point.

Also, the caption beneath the photo says that it had been enhanced to show detail, so they're not trying to hide anything from anyone with regards to that picture.

Yeah, I saw that he was treated at the scene. I guess his injuries werent bad enough for the hospital.
Im not sure what you're asking -- yes, those photos have been doctored -- the site admits to that. Its never admissible evidence when a photo is doctored, in fact, that can bring out all sorts of misleading textures, so why try to mislead the public? I just pointed it out because it was silly. I have no doubts about the police saying his back was wet. I assume since Zimmerman was saying it was self defense, perhaps they were discussing it on the ride in the police car. I did see the officer looking at his head. I see no bandages, band-aids or anything that would lead one to believe it was a substantial injury though.

I was assuming we'd see photos of his injuries by now and that they'd be substantial if he was claiming his life was in danger to the degree that it was necessary to end another persons life. I don't see that here. At this point, since there is a lynch mob going around, you'd think Zimmerman would want to show tons of pictures of his head all bloody and his nose smashed in. Where are they?

Monster Rain · March 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

It was stated in the police report that Zimmerman was treated for his injuries at the scene and then was taken into custody and questioned at the police station.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/ ... Report.pdf

If you're saying that the photos that appear to show a wound have been doctored, then you must also think that the officers who responded to the scene lied when they said Zimmerman's back was wet as if he'd been on his back in the wet grass and was bleeding from the nose and head and you must also believe that the officer in the surveilance video who is seen checking the back of Zimmerman's head only did it because he was in on the cover-up and knew the video would be leaked at some point.

Also, the caption beneath the photo says that it had been enhanced to show detail, so they're not trying to hide anything from anyone with regards to that picture.

Yeah, I saw that he was treated at the scene. I guess his injuries werent bad enough for the hospital.
Im not sure what you're asking -- yes, those photos have been doctored -- the site admits to that. Its never admissible evidence when a photo is doctored, in fact, that can bring out all sorts of misleading textures, so why try to mislead the public? I just pointed it out because it was silly. I have no doubts about the police saying his back was wet. I assume since Zimmerman was saying it was self defense, perhaps they were discussing it on the ride in the police car. I did see the officer looking at his head. I see no bandages, band-aids or anything that would lead one to believe it was a substantial injury though.

I was assuming we'd see photos of his injuries by now and that they'd be substantial if he was claiming his life was in danger to the degree that it was necessary to end another persons life. I don't see that here. At this point, since there is a lynch mob going around, you'd think Zimmerman would want to show tons of pictures of his head all bloody and his nose smashed in. Where are they?

I get what you're saying but he didn't have to have an injury requiring stitches in order to feel like his life was in danger. If he was having his head slammed into the ground and being punched repeatedly, it doesn't take too much of that to put you in a bad spot. All it takes is one hard impact to damage the brain and he could've been left completely defenseless or even ended up in a coma like that guy at the Dodgers/Giants game last year. If he was screaming for help, he was obviously afraid for his safety. Whether or not that is enough to justify a shooting in the eyes of the law remains to be seen, but it is enough for me to think that people should put down the pitchforks and torches until all the facts are known.

unsung · March 2012

Martin allegedly told Zimmerman that "tonight he was going to die" and reached for Zimmerman's gun. That is all the justification that Zimmerman needed.

cincybearcat · March 2012

unsung wrote:

Martin allegedly told Zimmerman that "tonight he was going to die" and reached for Zimmerman's gun. That is all the justification that Zimmerman needed.

If true. But, then again, why were both those people in that position? Maybe Martin was simply scared and trying to defend himself.

He was probably racist and assumed that the "White Hispanic" was going to hurt him.

JonnyPistachio · March 2012

unsung wrote:

Martin allegedly told Zimmerman that "tonight he was going to die" and reached for Zimmerman's gun. That is all the justification that Zimmerman needed.

That is exactly what Zimmerman's Dad is telling people that Treyvon said. Of course.

When a man follows me into the dark night with a gun, I don't need the spoken words, but I translate those actions to "tonight I might die." Well, look what happened...what;s that famous saying? Actions speak louder than words?

Monster Rain wrote:

If he was screaming for help, he was obviously afraid for his safety. Whether or not that is enough to justify a shooting in the eyes of the law remains to be seen, but it is enough for me to think that people should put down the pitchforks and torches until all the facts are known.

Agreed. I wish there was a way they could tell who was screaming on that 911 tape.

shadowcast · March 2012

Here we go

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/killz ... ns-killer/

shadowcast · March 2012

http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/secon ... dentified/

Another Twitter found by Trayvon. Let the character assassination begin.

Blockhead · March 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

unsung wrote:

Martin allegedly told Zimmerman that "tonight he was going to die" and reached for Zimmerman's gun. That is all the justification that Zimmerman needed.

That is exactly what Zimmerman's Dad is telling people that Treyvon said. Of course.

When a man follows me into the dark night with a gun, I don't need the spoken words, but I translate those actions to "tonight I might die." Well, look what happened...what;s that famous saying? Actions speak louder than words?

:?
I can follow you all night long, nothing illegal about that in the least. As long as we're on public property, there isn't a single thing you can do about that...nothing. And the moment you DO take action, that is the point where by every letter of every self defense law in the book that I am fully within my rights to defend myself because YOU would be the attacker. Someone following DOES NOT in any way give you any kind of right to 'defend yourself' or take any kind of action at all...

JonnyPistachio · March 2012

Blockhead wrote:

I can follow you all night long, nothing illegal about that in the least. As long as we're on public property, there isn't a single thing you can do about that...nothing. And the moment you DO take action, that is the point where by every letter of every self defense law in the book that I am fully within my rights to defend myself because YOU would be the attacker. Someone following DOES NOT in any way give you any kind of right to 'defend yourself' or take any kind of action at all...

Of course. I agree. If Martin attacked first, that's likely his undoing and was very wrong.
BUT, Someone following me DOES NOT in any way give you any kind of right to 'defend yourself' or take any kind of action at all...

From the tapes, it sounds like Martin tries to run away (THAT is the action he took initially). Zimmreman says it himself, that Treyvon ran away, then was told to stop following...then there's this:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

http://cdn.stripersonline.com/1/17/17ae5ce1_trayvondia.png

I dont know the credibility of this, but I've seen two photos and an interview that said the shooting took place in between these two buildings, not near Zimmermans house.

That would mean he had to have gotten out of his can and went in between houses into the back yards to pursue Martin.

I find it hard to believe that people arent pissed about Zimmermans attitude and how eagerly he pursued Treyvon...he followed him behind houses!

Blockhead · March 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I can follow you all night long, nothing illegal about that in the least. As long as we're on public property, there isn't a single thing you can do about that...nothing. And the moment you DO take action, that is the point where by every letter of every self defense law in the book that I am fully within my rights to defend myself because YOU would be the attacker. Someone following DOES NOT in any way give you any kind of right to 'defend yourself' or take any kind of action at all...

Of course. I agree. If Martin attacked first, that's likely his undoing and was very wrong.
BUT, Someone following me DOES NOT in any way give you any kind of right to 'defend yourself' or take any kind of action at all...

From the tapes, it sounds like Martin tries to run away (THAT is the action he took initially). Zimmreman says it himself, that Treyvon ran away, then was told to stop following...then there's this:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

http://cdn.stripersonline.com/1/17/17ae5ce1_trayvondia.png

I dont know the credibility of this, but I've seen two photos and an interview that said the shooting took place in between these two buildings, not near Zimmermans house.

That would mean he had to have gotten out of his can and went in between houses into the back yards to pursue Martin.

I find it hard to believe that people arent pissed about Zimmermans attitude and how eagerly he pursued Treyvon...he followed him behind houses!

Im not defending zimmermans actions/attitude, I am just responding to your post about being followed, thats all...

gimmesometruth27 · March 2012

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

unsung wrote:

Martin allegedly told Zimmerman that "tonight he was going to die" and reached for Zimmerman's gun. That is all the justification that Zimmerman needed.

That is exactly what Zimmerman's Dad is telling people that Treyvon said. Of course.

When a man follows me into the dark night with a gun, I don't need the spoken words, but I translate those actions to "tonight I might die." Well, look what happened...what;s that famous saying? Actions speak louder than words?

:?
I can follow you all night long, nothing illegal about that in the least. As long as we're on public property, there isn't a single thing you can do about that...nothing. And the moment you DO take action, that is the point where by every letter of every self defense law in the book that I am fully within my rights to defend myself because YOU would be the attacker. Someone following DOES NOT in any way give you any kind of right to 'defend yourself' or take any kind of action at all...

no you can not follow anyone all night long. following someone and that person knows about it, it is an attempt to intimidate them. you can not legally intimidate someone into attacking you, and then claim victimhood. it is like poking a tiger with a stick and then blaming the tiger for the fight or flight response that it has.... you are provoking him to respond by your actions of following him.

i don't know any law that says you can follow someone to provoke them into assalting or battering you.

zimmerman is the instigator here simply by stalking trayvon. period.

JonnyPistachio · March 2012

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

I can follow you all night long, nothing illegal about that in the least. As long as we're on public property, there isn't a single thing you can do about that...nothing. And the moment you DO take action, that is the point where by every letter of every self defense law in the book that I am fully within my rights to defend myself because YOU would be the attacker. Someone following DOES NOT in any way give you any kind of right to 'defend yourself' or take any kind of action at all...

Of course. I agree. If Martin attacked first, that's likely his undoing and was very wrong.
BUT, Someone following me DOES NOT in any way give you any kind of right to 'defend yourself' or take any kind of action at all...

From the tapes, it sounds like Martin tries to run away (THAT is the action he took initially). Zimmreman says it himself, that Treyvon ran away, then was told to stop following...then there's this:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

http://cdn.stripersonline.com/1/17/17ae5ce1_trayvondia.png

I dont know the credibility of this, but I've seen two photos and an interview that said the shooting took place in between these two buildings, not near Zimmermans house.

That would mean he had to have gotten out of his can and went in between houses into the back yards to pursue Martin.

I find it hard to believe that people arent pissed about Zimmermans attitude and how eagerly he pursued Treyvon...he followed him behind houses!

Im not defending zimmermans actions/attitude, I am just responding to your post about being followed, thats all...

Ok I gotcha.

I'd like to add that its too bad Treyvon wasnt a few houses further, in his own yard where he was headed, before Zimmerman shot him. From the layout of that map, if its correct, Zimmerman went pretty far out of his way to confront Treyvon, having to park his car, get out and go behind houses. His Dirty Harry antics and dipshit mentality killed this kid if you ask me, plain and simple.

JonnyPistachio · March 2012

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/28/opini ... hpt=hp_bn4

Good read ^^^

"In adopting its "stand your ground" law in 2005 (officially Title XLVI, Chapter 776.013) the Florida Legislature, along with 20 other states with similar laws, both expanded the understanding of when deadly force is acceptable and eliminated the duty to retreat."

"Under the "stand your ground" law, any liar who kills someone and can concoct a reasonably plausible story cannot be arrested by the police or even taken in for questioning. Lest one think the Martin case is exceptional, justifiable homicide/self-defense claims have tripled since the law's adoption, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement."

Godfather. · March 2012

this getting totaly insain,the lawyer for zimmerman will have field day with all this tweeter stuff popping up and as I said character is huge in court and Trayvon's is looking .....a little suspect to say the least, not to say Zimmerman is looking like an angel but this stuff will or could sway a jury in his favor.

Godfather.

JonnyPistachio · March 2012

Godfather. wrote:

this getting totaly insain,the lawyer for zimmerman will have field day with all this tweeter stuff popping up and as I said character is huge in court and Trayvon's is looking .....a little suspect to say the least, not to say Zimmerman is looking like an angel but this stuff will or could sway a jury in his favor.

Godfather.

Zimmreman isnt looking like an angel?! haha, his character would be slaughtered compared to Treyvons. Sorry man, he has a police record with assault and that whole calling the police 46 times might indicate that he is a bit paranoid. How many of those calls resulted in an arrest, I wonder. I think he assaulted an officer and his girlfriend. He's a fucking lunatic.

Trayvon Martin

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