Kelly Curtis stated in his online chat Q & A after the "sabotage" debacle that the band has no problem working with Ticketmaster in the future. They have moved on.
not for 10 Club allocations. This was already talked about on the radio show. They can't see any situation that would take the 10 club allocation out f house.
Ticketmaster gets hacked also. Scalpers get access to the tickets minutes before fans and if you don't think those presale codes get in their hands you are crazy. there are plenty of scalpers in the 10 Club.
The lottery is by far the safest and hassle free way for the 10 Club to do the 10 Club allotment and then the leftover tickets and public sale through TM.
The question Kelly answered was in regards to 10C allocations. And this was more recent than anything mentioned on the radio show, so things could have changed.
Not worth arguing over though as neither of us knows what 10C's future plans are. The lottery is just fine with me. Trying Ticketmaster again would be just fine, too.
Kelly Curtis stated in his online chat Q & A after the "sabotage" debacle that the band has no problem working with Ticketmaster in the future. They have moved on.
not for 10 Club allocations. This was already talked about on the radio show. They can't see any situation that would take the 10 club allocation out f house.
Ticketmaster gets hacked also. Scalpers get access to the tickets minutes before fans and if you don't think those presale codes get in their hands you are crazy. there are plenty of scalpers in the 10 Club.
The lottery is by far the safest and hassle free way for the 10 Club to do the 10 Club allotment and then the leftover tickets and public sale through TM.
The question Kelly answered was in regards to 10C allocations. And this was more recent than anything mentioned on the radio show, so things could have changed.
Not worth arguing over though as neither of us knows what 10C's future plans are. The lottery is just fine with me. Trying Ticketmaster again would be just fine, too.
Agreed that neither of us know, but they said that they didn't want to have to give our info to anyone out of house, nor do I want them to. I don't trust ticketmaster with allocating seats at all. I prefer PJ working with the venues.
You may not be aware of this, but Ticketmaster successfully handles tickets for acts with far greater demand than Pearl Jam. I don't like them as a corporation, but their system is the best in the business and I really think it's silly and wasteful for the 10c to keep trying to reinvent the wheel so a few fans can keep pretending it's 1995.
Exactly. When technology keeps advancing and you are still trying to fight that, you need to admit you have a problem.
Why use a fax machine when you have email?
Technology isn't their problem.
Then it must be stubbornness to technology. If technology isn't their problem, the servers wouldn't crash and we would all have a nice system still in place to buy tickets in the goods section. How come Ticketmaster works so fluidly? I'll give ya a hint, 4 syllables...
Why make things difficult? You have the money(~300,000 paying tenclub members x $30 avg for membership = $9,000,000), why not invest in some better equipment or just pay ticketmaster to run these sales? I guess going back to the same lottery system they used in the mid 90's is a lot cheaper. :roll: Is that why you pay $40 for a membership? To get the cheap system that may not even be random? I don't think so...
btw, a breach in security or a 'sabotage' is in fact a technology problem. Curtis mentioned that the lottery is the safest way. It is probably because they don't want to spend the money upgrading their security technology.
First of all Ticketmaster doesn't run smoothly. Scalpers are in to sales minutes before the public all the time, not to mention how this would take place during a 10 club Sale(yes, scalpers do have 10 Club memberships). I agree with Curtis that the lottery is the safest way and I applaud them for possibly going back to it.
It isn't their technology it is hackers ruining it during the sale. No matter what technology you use there are always hackers one step ahead of you. With the lottery there is no hacking and the tickets are allocated without hassle other than more hours spent working for them.
First of all Ticketmaster doesn't run smoothly. Scalpers are in to sales minutes before the public all the time,
Do you have evidence for this working in 10c pre-sale situation? 3rd party ticket resellers get tickets from venues and promoters, not necessarily by hacking TM.
First of all Ticketmaster doesn't run smoothly. Scalpers are in to sales minutes before the public all the time, not to mention how this would take place during a 10 club Sale(yes, scalpers do have 10 Club memberships). I agree with Curtis that the lottery is the safest way and I applaud them for possibly going back to it.
It isn't their technology it is hackers ruining it during the sale. No matter what technology you use there are always hackers one step ahead of you. With the lottery there is no hacking and the tickets are allocated without hassle other than more hours spent working for them.
You shouldn't comment if you don't know what you're talking about
Didn't Kelly Curtis say they don't want to deal with TM and the like for fanclub tickets because they want to keep fanclub tickets as low as possible and TM & others would want the prices increasing?
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Didn't Kelly Curtis say they don't want to deal with TM and the like for fanclub tickets because they want to keep fanclub tickets as low as possible and TM & others would want the prices increasing?
I've heard this before, too. Not sure if/when he said it but I don't believe it was during the Europe Q&A. My memory is that he was open to using TM in the future, but I could be wrong.
Didn't Kelly Curtis say they don't want to deal with TM and the like for fanclub tickets because they want to keep fanclub tickets as low as possible and TM & others would want the prices increasing?
I've heard this before, too. Not sure if/when he said it but I don't believe it was during the Europe Q&A. My memory is that he was open to using TM in the future, but I could be wrong.
GetALife wrote:Why was it not possible to hold back the 10c tickets although the public pre-sale started and, additional to that, since they 10c-pre-sale did not work out, hold back an extra amount of tickets from the public pre-sale? Would that have been so difficult? I don't understand why they had to be "thrown" into the public sale.
Second question is related to the general questions here about the info policy...why sending out the update at 1am CET? I was asleep and got notice of the update at 9am when the sale already had started...
we are dealing with a public on sale following our pre-sale in a very short window…. our fan club pre-sales are not very popular with promoters and therefore there is not a lot of help offered. one of the main reasons… is that SOME ..NOT ALL promoters would love to sell our fan club tickets at a very high price….. this is how pj has been abe to avoid widespread scalping. our goal has always been to get you .. the loyal pj fan the best of anything we have to offer at the best price possible.
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Didn't Kelly Curtis say they don't want to deal with TM and the like for fanclub tickets because they want to keep fanclub tickets as low as possible and TM & others would want the prices increasing?
I've heard this before, too. Not sure if/when he said it but I don't believe it was during the Europe Q&A. My memory is that he was open to using TM in the future, but I could be wrong.
GetALife wrote:Why was it not possible to hold back the 10c tickets although the public pre-sale started and, additional to that, since they 10c-pre-sale did not work out, hold back an extra amount of tickets from the public pre-sale? Would that have been so difficult? I don't understand why they had to be "thrown" into the public sale.
Second question is related to the general questions here about the info policy...why sending out the update at 1am CET? I was asleep and got notice of the update at 9am when the sale already had started...
we are dealing with a public on sale following our pre-sale in a very short window…. our fan club pre-sales are not very popular with promoters and therefore there is not a lot of help offered. one of the main reasons… is that SOME ..NOT ALL promoters would love to sell our fan club tickets at a very high price….. this is how pj has been abe to avoid widespread scalping. our goal has always been to get you .. the loyal pj fan the best of anything we have to offer at the best price possible.
Hmmm...I'm not sure he is talking about the Ticketmaster in regards to presales there. I think his response is explaining why the presale was cancelled and the remaining 10C tickets put up for public sale. Again, I could be wrong. Here is the quote I was thinking about which, admittedly, is not nearly as strong as I remember it being:
Re: EUROPEAN TICKET PRE-SALE FORUM DIALOGUE WITH PJ MANAGER
Postby Kelly Curtis » 16 Dec 2011 17:08
veddertown wrote:Can PJ get over the Ticketmaster debacle from the 90's and move on now? Pre-sales have been disastrous and I don't see why they couldn't leave it to the professionals to handle such affairs? We deserve an organization that can cope with PJ's demand given that it us who put them and keep them where they are now. Do the band know how bad the ticketing fiasco is?
yes we worked with tm in canada.. it is not an option in all places in the world
I've read your posts. It is a point you have made repeatedly, in this and other threads. If you are going to make declarations like that -- when you know almost nothing about what anyone else does for work or how they live their lives -- you should be prepared to be called out on it.
You obviously don’t read and comprehend what others post, so I could understand why you don’t have an idea of what people do. I guess you’ve also never met a 10C member randomly in your day to day life? We also know that since the current 10C ticket system takes effort, you’ve probably never had 10C tickets, and never gotten to mingle with other 10C members at a concert. Granted, not all 10C members post here, and I did specifically refer to “people on this board”. Let’s face it… This board is not filled with Brain Surgeons. You can't really argue that.
I find it really tough to find time to come on this board, and I occasionally pop in for a quick distraction from the work day. I’m on the razors edge of not coming to the board at all due to time constraints. There are long gaps sometimes when I don’t sign on at all. So it’s very easy to imagine that any PJ fan busier than me, with more responsibility than me, wouldn’t post on this board. Given that this is a fact which I know with certainty… that would make my comment very true. Granted, I’m sure there are some very successful and busy people on this board, and there probably is someone even more so than me... hence why I didn’t say 100%. My comment that you “called me out” on is pretty much spot on.
And if my point didn't make sense to you, well, maybe you should go back to school and better yourself. That is your advice to others, is it not?
Again, I don’t understand your point. How would going back to school, taking time out of my extremely lucrative career, to get yet ANOTHER advanced degree help me to make sense of your flawed logic?
I've read your posts. It is a point you have made repeatedly, in this and other threads. If you are going to make declarations like that -- when you know almost nothing about what anyone else does for work or how they live their lives -- you should be prepared to be called out on it.
You obviously don’t read and comprehend what others post, so I could understand why you don’t have an idea of what people do. I guess you’ve also never met a 10C member randomly in your day to day life? We also know that since the current 10C ticket system takes effort, you’ve probably never had 10C tickets, and never gotten to mingle with other 10C members at a concert. Granted, not all 10C members post here, and I did specifically refer to “people on this board”. Let’s face it… This board is not filled with Brain Surgeons. You can't really argue that.
I find it really tough to find time to come on this board, and I occasionally pop in for a quick distraction from the work day. I’m on the razors edge of not coming to the board at all due to time constraints. There are long gaps sometimes when I don’t sign on at all. So it’s very easy to imagine that any PJ fan busier than me, with more responsibility than me, wouldn’t post on this board. Given that this is a fact which I know with certainty… that would make my comment very true. Granted, I’m sure there are some very successful and busy people on this board, and there probably is someone even more so than me... hence why I didn’t say 100%. My comment that you “called me out” on is pretty much spot on.
And if my point didn't make sense to you, well, maybe you should go back to school and better yourself. That is your advice to others, is it not?
Again, I don’t understand your point. How would going back to school, taking time out of my extremely lucrative career, to get yet ANOTHER advanced degree help me to make sense of your flawed logic?
For someone who claims to be “on the razors edge of not being able to come here at all” and who “works harder than 99%” of the rest of us, you do seem to find the time to argue on this board quite a bit. And before you pat yourself on the back for your brilliant time management skills or lofty position in life or whatever else is coming next, please understand that it does make you seem quite disingenuous.
To your points…
I read (and comprehend) just fine, thank you. Which is how I know that telling others they need to “better themselves” by going back to school is a recurring theme in your posts. We both know you knew that was my point but on the very slim chance you did not…well…perhaps your own comprehension skills really are in need of improvement.
I’ve met plenty of 10C members at shows, gatherings, and pre-parties. Sometimes we’ve discussed careers and sometimes we haven’t. But at no point after meeting a fellow member has it crossed my mind to consider whether or not I work harder than that person. I find it very strange that you seem so fascinated by it. Again, this is a recurring theme in your posts and, again, it makes you come across as someone trying to be something they are not. Declaring it so brazenly is, as I wrote earlier, bizarre.
I’ve had my share of 10C tickets. What was it I wrote that convinced you otherwise? Or was that just you playing the straw man game and pretending that anyone who could possibly disagree with you about the ticket system must never have had any success with that system?
For someone who claims to be “on the razors edge of not being able to come here at all” and who “works harder than 99%” of the rest of us, you do seem to find the time to argue on this board quite a bit. And before you pat yourself on the back for your brilliant time management skills or lofty position in life or whatever else is coming next, please understand that it does make you seem quite disingenuous.
Let’s get one thing straight, you are the one fixated on this. I made simple point that I have a very busy career and still find time, and don’t make excuses. As for how much time I spend on this board in discussion, it’s very sporadic. You assume that I am here often, yet I only average 0.21 posts per day (PPD), mostly in spurts with dry spells in between. Meanwhile you average 1.55 PPD, to give you some perspective. That means you post 7.32 times more often than I do.
I read (and comprehend) just fine, thank you. Which is how I know that telling others they need to “better themselves” by going back to school is a recurring theme in your posts. We both know you knew that was my point but on the very slim chance you did not…well…perhaps your own comprehension skills really are in need of improvement.
People can better their situations in many ways, you focused on going back to school, not me. People’s behaviors are a function of the reinforcement they receive, and I’d rather reinforce that people can work hard to achieve their goals, rather than do nothing and possibly get lucky in a lottery.
I’ve met plenty of 10C members at shows, gatherings, and pre-parties. Sometimes we’ve discussed careers and sometimes we haven’t. But at no point after meeting a fellow member has it crossed my mind to consider whether or not I work harder than that person. I find it very strange that you seem so fascinated by it. Again, this is a recurring theme in your posts and, again, it makes you come across as someone trying to be something they are not. Declaring it so brazenly is, as I wrote earlier, bizarre.
As previously mentioned, you are the one fascinated by this tiny little point in one or two of my posts. It has only come up in the context that if I can make time to get 10C tickets, anyone can. Why is it so hard to believe that I have a demanding career with a lot of responsibility? It’s bizarre how you fixate on that one part of the discussion.
I’ve had my share of 10C tickets. What was it I wrote that convinced you otherwise? Or was that just you playing the straw man game and pretending that anyone who could possibly disagree with you about the ticket system must never have had any success with that system?
Back to reading comprehension. It was a tounge in check comment used to make some points. And yes, one of those points was that people who are for the lottery probably have not had success with the current ticket system. As has been shown by myself and others, success in the current system is directly related to the amount of effort put in. It was also an explanation for how someone could not have an idea about the demographic of this board. It blows my mind that someone who spends more time than me (a factor of 7+) on this board, and has been to concerts in 10C seats, and met 10C members in their day to day lives, doesn’t really learn anything from those situations. I hope you never have to interview and hire someone, it’s just not your strength.
I got every ticket I wanted with the old system excluding last time. I don't like the lottery. :(
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For someone who claims to be “on the razors edge of not being able to come here at all” and who “works harder than 99%” of the rest of us, you do seem to find the time to argue on this board quite a bit. And before you pat yourself on the back for your brilliant time management skills or lofty position in life or whatever else is coming next, please understand that it does make you seem quite disingenuous.
Let’s get one thing straight, you are the one fixated on this. I made simple point that I have a very busy career and still find time, and don’t make excuses. As for how much time I spend on this board in discussion, it’s very sporadic. You assume that I am here often, yet I only average 0.21 posts per day (PPD), mostly in spurts with dry spells in between. Meanwhile you average 1.55 PPD, to give you some perspective. That means you post 7.32 times more often than I do.
I read (and comprehend) just fine, thank you. Which is how I know that telling others they need to “better themselves” by going back to school is a recurring theme in your posts. We both know you knew that was my point but on the very slim chance you did not…well…perhaps your own comprehension skills really are in need of improvement.
People can better their situations in many ways, you focused on going back to school, not me. People’s behaviors are a function of the reinforcement they receive, and I’d rather reinforce that people can work hard to achieve their goals, rather than do nothing and possibly get lucky in a lottery.
I’ve met plenty of 10C members at shows, gatherings, and pre-parties. Sometimes we’ve discussed careers and sometimes we haven’t. But at no point after meeting a fellow member has it crossed my mind to consider whether or not I work harder than that person. I find it very strange that you seem so fascinated by it. Again, this is a recurring theme in your posts and, again, it makes you come across as someone trying to be something they are not. Declaring it so brazenly is, as I wrote earlier, bizarre.
As previously mentioned, you are the one fascinated by this tiny little point in one or two of my posts. It has only come up in the context that if I can make time to get 10C tickets, anyone can. Why is it so hard to believe that I have a demanding career with a lot of responsibility? It’s bizarre how you fixate on that one part of the discussion.
I’ve had my share of 10C tickets. What was it I wrote that convinced you otherwise? Or was that just you playing the straw man game and pretending that anyone who could possibly disagree with you about the ticket system must never have had any success with that system?
Back to reading comprehension. It was a tounge in check comment used to make some points. And yes, one of those points was that people who are for the lottery probably have not had success with the current ticket system. As has been shown by myself and others, success in the current system is directly related to the amount of effort put in. It was also an explanation for how someone could not have an idea about the demographic of this board. It blows my mind that someone who spends more time than me (a factor of 7+) on this board, and has been to concerts in 10C seats, and met 10C members in their day to day lives, doesn’t really learn anything from those situations. I hope you never have to interview and hire someone, it’s just not your strength.
Tried to send you this as a PM but unfortunately you don’t allow them. Too bad. This is my final word on the subject. Feel free to get in whatever last word you wish. I’ve spent too much time on this already.
Listen, MG. I don’t know you. You don’t know me. Neither of us knows what the other does for work or for pleasure (other than loving Pearl Jam). But I have seen you around the board, and whether it was disputing the length of Mansfield III, or spouting birther nonsense, or being asked questions you could not answer by Go Beavers, one thing I noticed is that your posts are always lengthy. (Mine rarely are, this thread being the obvious exception.) This is the end result of constantly arguing as you were in all those threads, and is the point I was making in that you do seem to have quite a bit of free time. Is it sporadic? If you say so, sure. Is it a consistent pattern? Absolutely.
On the 99% comment, I’m willing to bet if I had the time or the inclination to look back through your .21 posts per day (today I have neither – you aren’t the only one who is busy) I’d find that little tidbit has been tossed out far more often than the one or two times you claim it has. I’d bet, as I said, it would prove to be a recurring theme. This is why I wrote my original post. You can claim I am fixated on it and that I ignored the context and whatever else, but the fact is the rest of your long-winded diatribes just did not interest me. Been there, done that.
Also, your comment about me never having had 10C tickets was quite definitely you trying to argue with a straw man rather than a real person. Again, it is something I have seen you do before. There was nothing tongue in cheek about it. Claiming otherwise is further proof to me that you are being dishonest, and makes it that much harder to believe anything you say.
Your last point about my interview skills makes absolutely no sense and is irrelevant to this discussion anyway, so I will ignore it. As for me interacting on the boards or in person with fellow members and not learning anything, you are again way off the mark and misunderstanding why I challenged your 99% claim originally. It isn’t that I don’t get a sense of what people do or who they are, it is that I am not busy calculating who works less than I do or who contributes less than I do. I’ve only interacted with a tiny percentage of Ten Club members. (I’m sure you haven’t met that many more.) I’m in no position to know who works harder than the vast super-majority of other members and neither are you. It does not make me less observant than you. It makes me less arrogant than you.
Despite whatever delusions of grandeur go on in your head, know this: You are just another guy wasting time on a message board. No more, no less. If it makes you happy to think there is some magical top 1% of Ten Club members and that you are fully ensconced within it, go right ahead. With my blessing, even. Just know that I will always see you as someone overcompensating for something by trying to be something they are not.
I agree with JimmyV. My father in law has begged me to come down to Myrtle Beach to help with his pool cleaning business. He makes over $100,000 a year and has a close to 1 million dollar house and has no employees. If I went down there and helped him I'd make that money and then wouldn't have time to access a computer at 2pm on a Wednesday. Would I have to then better myself because I can't have access to a computer during the weekday in the afternoon or work in an office?
I'm sure there are people who would love if I didn't have access to a computer during the day. hahahahahaha
I agree with JimmyV. My father in law has begged me to come down to Myrtle Beach to help with his pool cleaning business. He makes over $100,000 a year and has a close to 1 million dollar house and has no employees. If I went down there and helped him I'd make that money and then wouldn't have time to access a computer at 2pm on a Wednesday. Would I have to then better myself because I can't have access to a computer during the weekday in the afternoon or work in an office?
I'm sure there are people who would love if I didn't have access to a computer during the day. hahahahahaha
Warm weather.....pools....good money.....sign me up :thumbup:
I agree with JimmyV. My father in law has begged me to come down to Myrtle Beach to help with his pool cleaning business. He makes over $100,000 a year and has a close to 1 million dollar house and has no employees. If I went down there and helped him I'd make that money and then wouldn't have time to access a computer at 2pm on a Wednesday. Would I have to then better myself because I can't have access to a computer during the weekday in the afternoon or work in an office?
I'm sure there are people who would love if I didn't have access to a computer during the day. hahahahahaha
Warm weather.....pools....good money.....sign me up :thumbup:
I know. Tell me about it. I am actually hoping I get laid off so my decision to leave the Philly area is easier. hahahahaha.
He doesn't even work full time. He only works from 7-until like 1 and then goes to the beach. I imagine sometime in the next 2 years I will be there.
I agree with JimmyV. My father in law has begged me to come down to Myrtle Beach to help with his pool cleaning business. He makes over $100,000 a year and has a close to 1 million dollar house and has no employees. If I went down there and helped him I'd make that money and then wouldn't have time to access a computer at 2pm on a Wednesday. Would I have to then better myself because I can't have access to a computer during the weekday in the afternoon or work in an office?
I'm sure there are people who would love if I didn't have access to a computer during the day. hahahahahaha
Warm weather.....pools....good money.....sign me up :thumbup:
I know. Tell me about it. I am actually hoping I get laid off so my decision to leave the Philly area is easier. hahahahaha.
He doesn't even work full time. He only works from 7-until like 1 and then goes to the beach. I imagine sometime in the next 2 years I will be there.
I am getting tired of these cold Ohio winters. If you ever find a need for a middle aged half bald guy in a Speedo keep me in mind
I agree with JimmyV. My father in law has begged me to come down to Myrtle Beach to help with his pool cleaning business. He makes over $100,000 a year and has a close to 1 million dollar house and has no employees. If I went down there and helped him I'd make that money and then wouldn't have time to access a computer at 2pm on a Wednesday. Would I have to then better myself because I can't have access to a computer during the weekday in the afternoon or work in an office?
I'm sure there are people who would love if I didn't have access to a computer during the day. hahahahahaha
Warm weather.....pools....good money.....sign me up :thumbup:
I know. Tell me about it. I am actually hoping I get laid off so my decision to leave the Philly area is easier. hahahahaha.
He doesn't even work full time. He only works from 7-until like 1 and then goes to the beach. I imagine sometime in the next 2 years I will be there.
For a happily married man to become a "pool boy" in a sun filled myrtle beach area where women's husbands are just "not around" sounds very risky!!
I am getting tired of these cold Ohio winters. If you ever find a need for a middle aged half bald guy in a Speedo keep me in mind
I hear ya. I'm sick of the cold. I snowboard but would much rather trade that in for surfing. Is the speedo something that could be negotiated? hahahahahahahaha
I am getting tired of these cold Ohio winters. If you ever find a need for a middle aged half bald guy in a Speedo keep me in mind
I hear ya. I'm sick of the cold. I snowboard but would much rather trade that in for surfing. Is the speedo something that could be negotiated? hahahahahahahaha
Life is a negotiation. I however will draw the line at my ladybug Speedo. It is my favorite one and I would never be able to choose a job over it
I am getting tired of these cold Ohio winters. If you ever find a need for a middle aged half bald guy in a Speedo keep me in mind
I hear ya. I'm sick of the cold. I snowboard but would much rather trade that in for surfing. Is the speedo something that could be negotiated? hahahahahahahaha
Life is a negotiation. I however will draw the line at my ladybug Speedo. It is my favorite one and I would never be able to choose a job over it
I couldn't deal with that. My Mom's nickname was Lady Bug(Well that's what my Grandfather called her) when she was growing up. hahahahahahaha
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The question Kelly answered was in regards to 10C allocations. And this was more recent than anything mentioned on the radio show, so things could have changed.
Not worth arguing over though as neither of us knows what 10C's future plans are. The lottery is just fine with me. Trying Ticketmaster again would be just fine, too.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Agreed that neither of us know, but they said that they didn't want to have to give our info to anyone out of house, nor do I want them to. I don't trust ticketmaster with allocating seats at all. I prefer PJ working with the venues.
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Then it must be stubbornness to technology. If technology isn't their problem, the servers wouldn't crash and we would all have a nice system still in place to buy tickets in the goods section. How come Ticketmaster works so fluidly? I'll give ya a hint, 4 syllables...
Why make things difficult? You have the money(~300,000 paying tenclub members x $30 avg for membership = $9,000,000), why not invest in some better equipment or just pay ticketmaster to run these sales? I guess going back to the same lottery system they used in the mid 90's is a lot cheaper. :roll: Is that why you pay $40 for a membership? To get the cheap system that may not even be random? I don't think so...
btw, a breach in security or a 'sabotage' is in fact a technology problem. Curtis mentioned that the lottery is the safest way. It is probably because they don't want to spend the money upgrading their security technology.
All signs point to ticketmaster...
It isn't their technology it is hackers ruining it during the sale. No matter what technology you use there are always hackers one step ahead of you. With the lottery there is no hacking and the tickets are allocated without hassle other than more hours spent working for them.
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Do you have evidence for this working in 10c pre-sale situation? 3rd party ticket resellers get tickets from venues and promoters, not necessarily by hacking TM.
So hows does the lotto help?
You shouldn't comment if you don't know what you're talking about
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
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I've heard this before, too. Not sure if/when he said it but I don't believe it was during the Europe Q&A. My memory is that he was open to using TM in the future, but I could be wrong.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Found it!
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=179067&p=4133342#p4133342
2006: Dublin; Leeds; Arnhem
2007: London
2009: Manchester
2012: Manchester I & II : EV Manchester : Soundgarden Shepherds Bush
2013: Brad Manchester : Soundgarden Manchester
2014: Amsterdam I & II; Berlin; Leeds; Milton Keynes
2018: Berlin; London II; Boston II
Bootleg Reviews: http://pjbootlegreviews.blogspot.com/
Hmmm...I'm not sure he is talking about the Ticketmaster in regards to presales there. I think his response is explaining why the presale was cancelled and the remaining 10C tickets put up for public sale. Again, I could be wrong. Here is the quote I was thinking about which, admittedly, is not nearly as strong as I remember it being:
Re: EUROPEAN TICKET PRE-SALE FORUM DIALOGUE WITH PJ MANAGER
Postby Kelly Curtis » 16 Dec 2011 17:08
veddertown wrote:Can PJ get over the Ticketmaster debacle from the 90's and move on now? Pre-sales have been disastrous and I don't see why they couldn't leave it to the professionals to handle such affairs? We deserve an organization that can cope with PJ's demand given that it us who put them and keep them where they are now. Do the band know how bad the ticketing fiasco is?
yes we worked with tm in canada.. it is not an option in all places in the world
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I find it really tough to find time to come on this board, and I occasionally pop in for a quick distraction from the work day. I’m on the razors edge of not coming to the board at all due to time constraints. There are long gaps sometimes when I don’t sign on at all. So it’s very easy to imagine that any PJ fan busier than me, with more responsibility than me, wouldn’t post on this board. Given that this is a fact which I know with certainty… that would make my comment very true. Granted, I’m sure there are some very successful and busy people on this board, and there probably is someone even more so than me... hence why I didn’t say 100%. My comment that you “called me out” on is pretty much spot on.
Again, I don’t understand your point. How would going back to school, taking time out of my extremely lucrative career, to get yet ANOTHER advanced degree help me to make sense of your flawed logic?
For someone who claims to be “on the razors edge of not being able to come here at all” and who “works harder than 99%” of the rest of us, you do seem to find the time to argue on this board quite a bit. And before you pat yourself on the back for your brilliant time management skills or lofty position in life or whatever else is coming next, please understand that it does make you seem quite disingenuous.
To your points…
I read (and comprehend) just fine, thank you. Which is how I know that telling others they need to “better themselves” by going back to school is a recurring theme in your posts. We both know you knew that was my point but on the very slim chance you did not…well…perhaps your own comprehension skills really are in need of improvement.
I’ve met plenty of 10C members at shows, gatherings, and pre-parties. Sometimes we’ve discussed careers and sometimes we haven’t. But at no point after meeting a fellow member has it crossed my mind to consider whether or not I work harder than that person. I find it very strange that you seem so fascinated by it. Again, this is a recurring theme in your posts and, again, it makes you come across as someone trying to be something they are not. Declaring it so brazenly is, as I wrote earlier, bizarre.
I’ve had my share of 10C tickets. What was it I wrote that convinced you otherwise? Or was that just you playing the straw man game and pretending that anyone who could possibly disagree with you about the ticket system must never have had any success with that system?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Tried to send you this as a PM but unfortunately you don’t allow them. Too bad. This is my final word on the subject. Feel free to get in whatever last word you wish. I’ve spent too much time on this already.
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Listen, MG. I don’t know you. You don’t know me. Neither of us knows what the other does for work or for pleasure (other than loving Pearl Jam). But I have seen you around the board, and whether it was disputing the length of Mansfield III, or spouting birther nonsense, or being asked questions you could not answer by Go Beavers, one thing I noticed is that your posts are always lengthy. (Mine rarely are, this thread being the obvious exception.) This is the end result of constantly arguing as you were in all those threads, and is the point I was making in that you do seem to have quite a bit of free time. Is it sporadic? If you say so, sure. Is it a consistent pattern? Absolutely.
On the 99% comment, I’m willing to bet if I had the time or the inclination to look back through your .21 posts per day (today I have neither – you aren’t the only one who is busy) I’d find that little tidbit has been tossed out far more often than the one or two times you claim it has. I’d bet, as I said, it would prove to be a recurring theme. This is why I wrote my original post. You can claim I am fixated on it and that I ignored the context and whatever else, but the fact is the rest of your long-winded diatribes just did not interest me. Been there, done that.
Also, your comment about me never having had 10C tickets was quite definitely you trying to argue with a straw man rather than a real person. Again, it is something I have seen you do before. There was nothing tongue in cheek about it. Claiming otherwise is further proof to me that you are being dishonest, and makes it that much harder to believe anything you say.
Your last point about my interview skills makes absolutely no sense and is irrelevant to this discussion anyway, so I will ignore it. As for me interacting on the boards or in person with fellow members and not learning anything, you are again way off the mark and misunderstanding why I challenged your 99% claim originally. It isn’t that I don’t get a sense of what people do or who they are, it is that I am not busy calculating who works less than I do or who contributes less than I do. I’ve only interacted with a tiny percentage of Ten Club members. (I’m sure you haven’t met that many more.) I’m in no position to know who works harder than the vast super-majority of other members and neither are you. It does not make me less observant than you. It makes me less arrogant than you.
Despite whatever delusions of grandeur go on in your head, know this: You are just another guy wasting time on a message board. No more, no less. If it makes you happy to think there is some magical top 1% of Ten Club members and that you are fully ensconced within it, go right ahead. With my blessing, even. Just know that I will always see you as someone overcompensating for something by trying to be something they are not.
Best of luck to you in future lotteries,
JimmyV
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I'm sure there are people who would love if I didn't have access to a computer during the day. hahahahahaha
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Warm weather.....pools....good money.....sign me up :thumbup:
I know. Tell me about it. I am actually hoping I get laid off so my decision to leave the Philly area is easier. hahahahaha.
He doesn't even work full time. He only works from 7-until like 1 and then goes to the beach. I imagine sometime in the next 2 years I will be there.
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I am getting tired of these cold Ohio winters. If you ever find a need for a middle aged half bald guy in a Speedo keep me in mind
For a happily married man to become a "pool boy" in a sun filled myrtle beach area where women's husbands are just "not around" sounds very risky!!
hahahahahahaha. Especially at the hotel pools!!!
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I hear ya. I'm sick of the cold. I snowboard but would much rather trade that in for surfing. Is the speedo something that could be negotiated? hahahahahahahaha
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Life is a negotiation. I however will draw the line at my ladybug Speedo. It is my favorite one and I would never be able to choose a job over it
I couldn't deal with that. My Mom's nickname was Lady Bug(Well that's what my Grandfather called her) when she was growing up. hahahahahahaha
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LOL....who would have guessed. It is your loss though...The chicks dig it. Your business would BOOM!!!
It's not my business yet, but we can negotiate once I move. hahahahahaha
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+1 I will PM you my resume
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*sigh* Down with the lottery
fade away...
I am at peace with my lust.....for Eddie.