so,how cool and easy is lottery system,

MG79478

78FLH wrote:

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. I know that things are tough all over the world. It is not good to see any country struggle. It makes it hard on the people who live there. I do feel bad for the current situation in the world. I don't know what you have to do to earn a living but you have no idea what I do either. I have spent many years to get into the position I am. It was a long and sometimes very hard road. The point being is that we ALL do what we have to do to make sure we can enjoy the band. If someone wants an easier route then I can't fault them but I refuse to agree with them. I just have always taken care of whatever I needed to do to make sure I can get what I want. If some folks don't want to do that then that is their call.

Well said 78FLH. Some people just want to look for the easy way out in life. I think we are a dying breed, those willing to do what it takes to achieve their goals. It's a shame too, because when people get lazy and are looking for the easy way, it leads to bad economic situations like in Greece. I don't know if it is the language barrier or if dimitrispearljam doesn't understand that connection. Taking from some to make life easier for others is never a good idea. Eventually there will be nobody left to take from, and everyone will have their hand out. That is the connection to the 10C ticket lottery. It would take from those willing to work the current system and give to those who want life to be “fast and easy”. It just seems we have different goals when it comes to 10C tickets. Some want "fast and easy", I want 10C tickets. I don't care how much time or effort it requires. I’m not going to complain or make excuses; I’m just going to work until I get what I want. And if the day ever comes where I don’t score 10C tickets, I’ll scalp them from one of the increased number of scalpers a lottery would invite. The high ticket price I am able and willing to pay would only invite more people to enter the lottery and scalp, and would ironically make the lottery odds even worse.

dimitrispearljam

i have a very bad day at work..(yes,we work in Greece..)
for answer to the insolting comments about my country and nation in general..
cos my opinion of a presale tickets for a concert of a rock band ,seems that provoke that all Greeks are lazy and want fast and easy things in life..
ill say only this...im fuckin proud that im Greek...

as for the topic...i still believe lottery is fair fast and easy as a presale of a tix for a concert should be..
no reason to be a torture...
and at this point,im pretty sure now,that some people with no serious argument but they like this torture must had "methods" to get tickets always,and this is unfair for the rest of the members..
great job 10club..from now on they cant do that..cos they dont have this "power" anymore..

cowboypjfan

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i have a very bad day at work..(yes,we work in Greece..)
for answer to the insolting comments about my country and nation in general..
cos my opinion of a presale tickets for a concert of a rock band ,seems that provoke that all Greeks are lazy and want fast and easy things in life..
ill say only this...im fuckin proud that im Greek...

as for the topic...i still believe lottery is fair fast and easy as a presale of a tix for a concert should be..
no reason to be a torture...
and at this point,im pretty sure now,that some people with no serious argument but they like this torture must had "methods" to get tickets always,and this is unfair for the rest of the members..
great job 10club..from now on they cant do that..cos they dont have this "power" anymore..

Why do you keep talking about this power? I understand that some countries don't have fast/reliable internet or other technologies and I feel for you. But with all the technology out there, I can't stand to see anyone utilizing strategies from 1996 to get concert tix for a show in 2012.

dimitrispearljam

crazypjfan wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i have a very bad day at work..(yes,we work in Greece..)
for answer to the insolting comments about my country and nation in general..
cos my opinion of a presale tickets for a concert of a rock band ,seems that provoke that all Greeks are lazy and want fast and easy things in life..
ill say only this...im fuckin proud that im Greek...

as for the topic...i still believe lottery is fair fast and easy as a presale of a tix for a concert should be..
no reason to be a torture...
and at this point,im pretty sure now,that some people with no serious argument but they like this torture must had "methods" to get tickets always,and this is unfair for the rest of the members..
great job 10club..from now on they cant do that..cos they dont have this "power" anymore..

Why do you keep talking about this power? I understand that some countries don't have fast/reliable internet or other technologies and I feel for you. But with all the technology out there, I can't stand to see anyone utilizing strategies from 1996 to get concert tix for a show in 2012.

im not a tech guy,maybe there are hackers,there are aplication to steal the system,like with all presales,like scalpers score always ticket..
now isn not in anyone hands..
works fine for my lazy fat Greek ass..

cowboypjfan

dimitrispearljam wrote:

now isn not in anyone hands..
works fine for my lazy fat Greek ass..

as a lazy American, I can respect that

dimitrispearljam

crazypjfan wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

now isn not in anyone hands..
works fine for my lazy fat Greek ass..

as a lazy American, I can respect that

seems we can go out for a beer and just do nothing..you pay..we are broke lazy fuckers here..

cowboypjfan

dimitrispearljam wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

now isn not in anyone hands..
works fine for my lazy fat Greek ass..

as a lazy American, I can respect that

seems we can go out for a beer and just do nothing..you pay..we are broke lazy fuckers here..

I'll buy you a beer in exchange for a backspacer bouncey ball!?

dimitrispearljam

crazypjfan wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

seems we can go out for a beer and just do nothing..you pay..we are broke lazy fuckers here..

I'll buy you a beer in exchange for a backspacer bouncey ball!?

you lost dog forum kids...

RE4790

dimitrispearljam wrote:

if someone wants to be in the venue..will be in...
if i want,ill be in the venue...but,i dont like angry,dissapointed people cos of a wrong ,broken system..i tried with both systems to buy tix..
was so easy to see the difference..

Sorry to hear about your bad day, based on world news I suspect things are difficult over there right now.

BUT, this is false dichotomy. There are other possibilities besides the F5 disaster or the lotto. For example, using the Ticketmaster presale that work very for the 2011 Canadian shows. That would provide the easy ticket purchasing that some people want with the 'you gotta earn it' aspect that others do. That solution would be easy to implement and painless for the 10c and it's members (other than having to use TM).

dimitrispearljam

RE4790 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

if someone wants to be in the venue..will be in...
if i want,ill be in the venue...but,i dont like angry,dissapointed people cos of a wrong ,broken system..i tried with both systems to buy tix..
was so easy to see the difference..

Sorry to hear about your bad day, based on world news I suspect things are difficult over there right now.

BUT, this is false dichotomy. There are other possibilities besides the F5 disaster or the lotto. For example, using the Ticketmaster presale that work very for the 2011 Canadian shows. That would provide the easy ticket purchasing that some people want with the 'you gotta earn it' aspect that others do. That solution would be easy to implement and painless for the 10c and it's members (other than having to use TM).

i think they dont use TM (exept that time at Canada)cos this will put prices up..i think this is the issue...
for sure the f5 cant be continue,so the lottery was better for sure...i try both.i score with both...believe me i can tell!!

78FLH

dimitrispearljam wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

now isn not in anyone hands..
works fine for my lazy fat Greek ass..

as a lazy American, I can respect that

seems we can go out for a beer and just do nothing..you pay..we are broke lazy fuckers here..

I think someone needs a hug :lolno:

cowboypjfan

dimitrispearljam wrote:

crazypjfan wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

seems we can go out for a beer and just do nothing..you pay..we are broke lazy fuckers here..

I'll buy you a beer in exchange for a backspacer bouncey ball!?

you lost dog forum kids...

btw, I hope things get better in your homeland. Hopefully, the new austerity deal will prove to be beneficial for Greece's economy. It just sucks that citizens have to take on the brunt of this with decreased wages and civil service jobs in order to get out of bankruptcy.

MG79478

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i have a very bad day at work..(yes,we work in Greece..)
for answer to the insolting comments about my country and nation in general..
cos my opinion of a presale tickets for a concert of a rock band ,seems that provoke that all Greeks are lazy and want fast and easy things in life..
ill say only this...im fuckin proud that im Greek...

as for the topic...i still believe lottery is fair fast and easy as a presale of a tix for a concert should be..
no reason to be a torture...
and at this point,im pretty sure now,that some people with no serious argument but they like this torture must had "methods" to get tickets always,and this is unfair for the rest of the members..
great job 10club..from now on they cant do that..cos they dont have this "power" anymore..

I’ve conceded that a lottery is fast and easy, so you can stop repeating that. Most things in life are not better when they are fast and easy. Take for example food, McDonald’s is “fast and easy”, does that mean you should eat there 3 times a day every day? Or should you put in the effort of shopping, and cooking something healthy? What is better for the person in the long run?

A lottery would be torture… Letting your fate up to some random odds… Giving up all control to create the illusion of fairness to the ignorant? Now it all comes out, someone has something that you want… You call it “power” in this case. Maybe I do have a method to always get tickets, maybe I don’t. If I do, I’ve earned it, and so can anyone else who wants it bad enough. But you want to take from the have’s and give to the have not’s, that is socialism. I’ll repeat the comparison, because it’s crystal clear yet again. You think the way you do because you live in a European welfare state. I’m sorry if that is insulting, but it’s the truth. Apparently in your world Greece is perfect and to even think otherwise is an insult to Greece. That much is obvious from your response. I think America is the best country in the world, but it is by no means perfect. We have plenty of problems, and I can accept this fact. I’m not going to get insulted because someone points out one of our problems.

This is going nowhere, I put together rational and well thought out arguments, and all I get in return is emotional non-sense. I look at the impacts of a lottery beyond the on sale date, and I get “fast and easy” in return. I realize that there is a language barrier here, but I am starting to think that is not as big a part of it as I once did.

RedMosquito22

This thread is utter nonsense. Everyone hates the ticket process and they want it with a mail in lottery or through ticketmaster. Then they realize ticketmaster still sux. Then they got shut out of the lottery for a show that had about 200 pairs per show and then they blame the lottery and want the old process back.

I just find it very comical.

MG79478

RE4790 wrote:

BUT, this is false dichotomy. There are other possibilities besides the F5 disaster or the lotto. For example, using the Ticketmaster presale that work very for the 2011 Canadian shows. That would provide the easy ticket purchasing that some people want with the 'you gotta earn it' aspect that others do. That solution would be easy to implement and painless for the 10c and it's members (other than having to use TM).

I agree, but that hasn’t been the point of the discussion. All we know are the current system and the lottery. Obviously the current system is much better than a lottery, although I think there are definitely improvements that can be made. I disagree that the current (F5) method is a disaster. It’s gotten the tickets in the hands of the fans that wanted them the most. That’s the best case scenario.

JimmyV

My favorite part of this thread is that making bizarre declarations like "I work harder than 99% of you!" supposedly constitutes a rational and well-thought argument. :roll:

The lottery is not perfect but it is an improvement. I'd much rather see the servers fixed, full tours with many more tickets available, and staggered on-sale dates. But if none of that is on the horizon then the lottery is fine by me.

Again, good job 10C for trying something different.

RE4790

RedMosquito22 wrote:

This thread is utter nonsense. Everyone hates the ticket process and they want it with a mail in lottery or through ticketmaster. Then they realize ticketmaster still sux. Then they got shut out of the lottery for a show that had about 200 pairs per show and then they blame the lottery and want the old process back.

I just find it very comical.

Ticketmaster does not suck. They are the industry leaders at what they do. They are a tad monopolistic though.

klusterfuk

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works fine for my lazy fat Greek ass..[/quote]

as a lazy American, I can respect that [/quote]
seems we can go out for a beer and just do nothing..you pay..we are broke lazy fuckers here.. [/quote]


I think someone needs a hug :lolno:[/quote]

only if his number is drawn.

JimmyV

RE4790 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

This thread is utter nonsense. Everyone hates the ticket process and they want it with a mail in lottery or through ticketmaster. Then they realize ticketmaster still sux. Then they got shut out of the lottery for a show that had about 200 pairs per show and then they blame the lottery and want the old process back.

I just find it very comical.

Ticketmaster does not suck. They are the industry leaders at what they do. They are a tad monopolistic though.

They did a great job with the Canadian pre-sale in 2011. They did a terrible job with the Eddie solo sale in some places earlier that year. Can we be sure TM would work? No. I wouldn't mind giving them another chance, though to be sure.

RedMosquito22

JimmyV wrote:

RE4790 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

This thread is utter nonsense. Everyone hates the ticket process and they want it with a mail in lottery or through ticketmaster. Then they realize ticketmaster still sux. Then they got shut out of the lottery for a show that had about 200 pairs per show and then they blame the lottery and want the old process back.

I just find it very comical.

Ticketmaster does not suck. They are the industry leaders at what they do. They are a tad monopolistic though.

They did a great job with the Canadian pre-sale in 2011. They did a terrible job with the Eddie solo sale in some places earlier that year. Can we be sure TM would work? No. I wouldn't mind giving them another chance, though to be sure.

Ticketmaster blows. Of course they worked for the Canada tours, there isn't as big of a demand. Anyone who wants ticketmaster in charge of the 10 Club tickets is crazy. No thank you.