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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Kat wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    christianity is straight up dangerous. i know of no other reason for why millions have been executed, tortured, molested, and terrorized. this grand scheme is only in the name of power and money.

    "Hyperboles are exaggerations to create emphasis or effect. As a literary device, hyperbole is often used in poetry, and is frequently encountered in casual speech. An example of hyperbole is: "The bag weighed a ton."[2] Hyperbole helps to make the point that the bag was very heavy, although it is not probable that it would actually weigh a ton." Source: Wiki
    Everyone, if you want to have a discussion about this issue, please do so with reasoned debate and stick to the topic. It could be interesting or it could get locked. Thank you.
    that is badass, kat
    i am speechless

    my post is a hyperbole? my posts are fulla hyperboles? i haven't ever hyperboled
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    no more forever."
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's a fraud organization filled with hate and operates on fear as far as i'm concerned ... i respect pretty much every faith out there ... even scientology to a certain degree but i feel the catholic church does more harm than good in society ...

    any organization that is willing to sacrifice the well being of children in order to protect its name is capable of doing a lot more heinous acts ...
    ...
    I agree, the Catholic Church's track record isn't the best. They DO do things that benefit people... but, even all the great things they do can never overcome the horrible acts they commit. The Church... and more importantly, Catholics... must come to this realization. By letting these kinds of CRIMES go unpunished and swept under the rug only serves to nullify the good that they do.
    This also goes to humans in general... like, you may be the world's greatest Philanthropist and give millions or billions to children's funds... but, if you are also a child rapist, you trade your Philanthropist title for Pedophile and you are nothing more than a child rapist who gives away money.
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  • davidtrios
    davidtrios Posts: 9,732
    :evil:
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    pandora wrote:
    2001 ... we've come a long way in a decade

    just imagine how cool we'll be in 2022 hmmmm

    although isn't it like every minute a woman is raped here in the US

    what's with the menfolk? :?

    by this logic ... no one should ever hold themselves accountable ...

    it's the silent majority that allows these acts to continue ... the people who turn a blind eye to abuse ... the people who make excuses for evil acts ... the people who apologize for the inaction ... the people who justify one evil act by pointing out other evil acts ... it is no wonder the catholic church has done nothing ... they haven't had to ... thanks to those that allow these acts to continue ...
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    polaris_x wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    2001 ... we've come a long way in a decade

    just imagine how cool we'll be in 2022 hmmmm

    although isn't it like every minute a woman is raped here in the US

    what's with the menfolk? :?

    by this logic ... no one should ever hold themselves accountable ...

    it's the silent majority that allows these acts to continue ... the people who turn a blind eye to abuse ... the people who make excuses for evil acts ... the people who apologize for the inaction ... the people who justify one evil act by pointing out other evil acts ... it is no wonder the catholic church has done nothing ... they haven't had to ... thanks to those that allow these acts to continue ...
    I think it is called social progress and the lack there of was my point

    this is a man's world still

    it is the Catholics themselves that demand change... it is their organization
    and I'm pretty sure progress has been made by the sheer whistle blowing going on

    wish the same could be said for the rapes happening every damn minute in our country

    but men still view women as second class property and sex as a bodily function
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    polaris_x wrote:
    it's the silent majority that allows these acts to continue ... the people who turn a blind eye to abuse ... the people who make excuses for evil acts ... the people who apologize for the inaction ... the people who justify one evil act by pointing out other evil acts ... it is no wonder the catholic church has done nothing ... they haven't had to ... thanks to those that allow these acts to continue ...


    Agreed. This was a massive coverup by a large organization and that organization should have to answer for it. Personally, I believe any Catholic church should lose their tax-free status until the Federal Gov't is happy with the program/plans that they have in place to deal with these types of issues going forward.

    The act itself must be dealt with on an individual level, but to knowingly hide it and aid a criminal should have some repercussions.

    Until the Catholic church can show that they are now able to deal with these situations in a humane and decent manner they need to be held accountable. In fact, wherever there is proof, law enforcement should go after those people involved. Wouldn't it be interesting to see the pope arrested on his next US visit? ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Wouldn't it be interesting to see the pope arrested on his next US visit? ;)

    :thumbup:

    i'm all for that ... look at what happened at PSU ... everyone that knew something and did diddly-squat has been fired ... yet, this pope who authorized the cover up is supposedly someone we are supposed to get guidance from!?? ...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,813
    polaris_x wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Wouldn't it be interesting to see the pope arrested on his next US visit? ;)

    :thumbup:

    i'm all for that ... look at what happened at PSU ... everyone that knew something and did diddly-squat has been fired ... yet, this pope who authorized the cover up is supposedly someone we are supposed to get guidance from!?? ...
    +1
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    the current Pope came in in 2005

    so he was not The Pope at the time of the coverup in 2001
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Agreed. This was a massive coverup by a large organization and that organization should have to answer for it. Personally, I believe any Catholic church should lose their tax-free status until the Federal Gov't is happy with the program/plans that they have in place to deal with these types of issues going forward.
    The act itself must be dealt with on an individual level, but to knowingly hide it and aid a criminal should have some repercussions.
    Until the Catholic church can show that they are now able to deal with these situations in a humane and decent manner they need to be held accountable. In fact, wherever there is proof, law enforcement should go after those people involved. Wouldn't it be interesting to see the pope arrested on his next US visit? ;)
    ...
    I agree. The organization that is the Catholic Church needs to at the bare minimum, acknowledge that it exists... and has existed for decades, if not centuries. The Catholics are the ones who should speak out and demand change, instead of denying the acts, defending the church and villifying the victims. Until that happens... the crimes will continue and the number of victims will continue to increase.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    pandora wrote:
    the current Pope came in in 2005

    so he was not The Pope at the time of the coverup in 2001

    :(

    sorry - let me rephrase ...

    yet, this pope (who wasn't pope at the time) who authorized the cover up is supposedly someone we are supposed to get guidance from!?? ...

    is that better?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,995
    polaris_x wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    the current Pope came in in 2005

    so he was not The Pope at the time of the coverup in 2001

    :(

    sorry - let me rephrase ...

    yet, this pope (who wasn't pope at the time) who authorized the cover up is supposedly someone we are supposed to get guidance from!?? ...

    is that better?
    and now that he is pope he is considered infallible???

    :shock: :shock: :shock:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    polaris_x wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    the current Pope came in in 2005

    so he was not The Pope at the time of the coverup in 2001

    :(

    sorry - let me rephrase ...

    yet, this pope (who wasn't pope at the time) who authorized the cover up is supposedly someone we are supposed to get guidance from!?? ...

    is that better?
    I might question the case, that's the kind of gal I am...
    why would this person have the authority over the
    residing Pope at the time to do so?

    sounds like a passing of the buck to me

    and do you get guidance from the Pope or do you just want to bash the Pope? :lol:

    I think everyone can agree this is for Catholics to fix otherwise it is just mean spirited
    criticism yet again
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    Mean spirited criticism? Really?

    It's not just one or two cases here, it is a coverup of thousands or more.

    I'm for catholics fixing it, but also for the legal system holding those that knew and did nothing or hid it accountable.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    pandora wrote:
    I might question the case, that's the kind of gal I am...
    why would this person have the authority over the
    residing Pope at the time to do so?

    sounds like a passing of the buck to me

    and do you get guidance from the Pope or do you just want to bash the Pope? :lol:

    I think everyone can agree this is for Catholics to fix otherwise it is just mean spirited
    criticism yet again

    sooo ... if there is police brutality - no one should offer criticism unless they are part of the police force?? ...
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    pandora wrote:
    the current Pope came in in 2005

    so he was not The Pope at the time of the coverup in 2001
    he was part of the cover up, and resided over many, many more.

    From the article posted earlier in the thread:
    …as Cardinal Josef Ratzinger, he was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Holy See's doctrinal enforcement body.
    He has been blamed for fostering a culture of secrecy there, signing an official Vatican document in 2001 which instructed bishops to keep secret the details of priestly wrongdoing that they reported to Rome.
    During his six-year papacy, paedophile abuse scandals have shaken the faith of Catholics in Ireland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria and his native Germany.

    But he's really 'a sweetie pie...a very positive loving figure ...sweet and cute'? .....you throw in comments about Coaches, Scout leaders, school teachers, Policemen, next door neighbors, your best friends husband, and clowns…Clowns? …..then some about it being a "man's world", men regarding women as possessions, and mention the regularity of other forms of sexual abuse....more derailing/deflecting. As if people in these positions have abused kids with anywhere near the regularity of catholic priests. As if they've systemically covered up abuse, as an orginizational policy, the way we've seen with the church.



    All people are asking for is that those accused and/or found guilty be held accountable by the organization they work for, like probably every one of us would be by our places of employment if we were accused of such things…..Esp when it is the organization itself that put them in a position to be able to abuse the power they had. It is the very definition of organizational ethics, betrayed by the organization who tries to tell us how to be ethical!


    I don’t understand how you, Pandora, while insisting you are NOT defending these peoples’ actions, end up alone on the opposing side of a debate in every one of these threads....in fact, I don't understand how there is any debate in these threads? Maybe I'm just being mean :?
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Mean spirited criticism? Really?

    It's not just one or two cases here, it is a coverup of thousands or more.

    I'm for catholics fixing it, but also for the legal system holding those that knew and did nothing or hid it accountable.
    yes ... a lot of Pope Bashin going on :lol:
    by less than lovers


    My opinion is this conference will be a move in the right direction but I really don't
    think anyone is expecting the Catholic Church to admit guilt unless it's
    own parishioners demand it, this where the change will take place.
    I don't think we'll see individual legal action except towards those
    doing the actual abusing.

    Case by case lawsuits in the millions, a whistle blowing awareness, social pressure
    this is what is taking place and the conference and call for renewal
    seems to address where they will go from here.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Drowned Out wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    the current Pope came in in 2005

    so he was not The Pope at the time of the coverup in 2001
    he was part of the cover up, and resided over many, many more.

    From the article posted earlier in the thread:
    …as Cardinal Josef Ratzinger, he was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Holy See's doctrinal enforcement body.
    He has been blamed for fostering a culture of secrecy there, signing an official Vatican document in 2001 which instructed bishops to keep secret the details of priestly wrongdoing that they reported to Rome.
    During his six-year papacy, paedophile abuse scandals have shaken the faith of Catholics in Ireland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria and his native Germany.

    But he's really 'a sweetie pie...a very positive loving figure ...sweet and cute'? .....you throw in comments about Coaches, Scout leaders, school teachers, Policemen, next door neighbors, your best friends husband, and clowns…Clowns? …..then some about it being a "man's world", men regarding women as possessions, and mention the regularity of other forms of sexual abuse....more derailing/deflecting. As if people in these positions have abused kids with anywhere near the regularity of catholic priests. As if they've systemically covered up abuse, as an orginizational policy, the way we've seen with the church.



    All people are asking for is that those accused and/or found guilty be held accountable by the organization they work for, like probably every one of us would be by our places of employment if we were accused of such things…..Esp when it is the organization itself that put them in a position to be able to abuse the power they had. It is the very definition of organizational ethics, betrayed by the organization who tries to tell us how to be ethical!


    I don’t understand how you, Pandora, while insisting you are NOT defending these peoples’ actions, end up alone on the opposing side of a debate in every one of these threads....in fact, I don't understand how there is any debate in these threads? Maybe I'm just being mean :?
    no you do not understand you are right there

    when a person understands situations that does not mean they condone
    they only understand

    understanding is not your forte so I see why you don't get it
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    edited February 2012
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Mean spirited criticism? Really?

    It's not just one or two cases here, it is a coverup of thousands or more.

    I'm for catholics fixing it, but also for the legal system holding those that knew and did nothing or hid it accountable.
    ...
    This is exactly what needs to happen. The Catholic Church cannot and should not be the vehicle to dispense justice... the law enforcement and court systems of the nations in which these crimes are committed are the ones who should be involved. NOT Vatican Police... local police, NOT a council of Bishops... a judge and jury. The same way the Penn State situation was allowed to continue because the university was conducting the investigation, not the police.
    As for 'Mean Spirited' criticism... that type of reasoning is exactly how the criminal activity is allowed to exist. Reporting criminal activity is NOT mean spirited criticism... and neither is a discussion that points out the flaws committed by the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church will benefit is it does the right thing and turns the criminals, they institutionally protect, over to the proper authorities to dispense justice for the victims.
    Post edited by Cosmo on
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    pandora wrote:
    no you do not understand you are right there

    when a person understands situations that does not mean they condone
    they only understand

    understanding is not your forte so I see why you don't get it
    Show me where I said you condone it? ...
    I said you are derailing, downplaying, deflecting, and defending....while claiming impartiality.

    Ever ask yourself how you always end up being the only person defending the church's inaction in these threads? Are you just that much more enlightened and tolerant than the rest of us, pandora?

    understanding is not my forte? So nasty. So mean. :roll:

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