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norm · February 2012

g under p wrote:

I don't think anyone has had the Super Bowl played in their home stadium before. The closest, I think, was the 49ers in Palo Alto for SB XIX.

Here are the current odds for 2013.

http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c191034 ... s/SB98.jpg

I can't wait for SB 59.... LIX

peace

the rams - steelers sb was played at the rose bowl which only 16 miles from the coliseum

The Juggler · February 2012

Jason P wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

why did the coach and gm get fired? why are they dismantling the whole team? if this years colts team was on par with the '10 team, these guys wouldn't have lost their jobs and they would be talking about making some more runs with peyton and trading down from the first pick to get more pieces to reload, not rebuild. i really disagree with you. i did not think any aspect of that colts team was particularly good this year.

That argument actually works in favor of Dewie. The 2011 team was almost exactly the same as the 2010 team. One key ingredient missing exposed the weakness of all and everyone.

right but come on...the 2010 version of the colts were already headed down hill and lost in the wildcard round...at home.

and just glancing at pro football reference, they were 0-5 against playoff teams too. in my opinion, they would have barely made it to 8 wins with peyton manning this year. so i guess that means he's good for 5-6 wins. the year before brady got hurt they went 16-0....11-5 without him in '08. so it's about the same difference. throw in all the post season heroics with less offensive talent and the edge goes to thomas brady.

norm · February 2012

speaking of montana/brady

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1709 ... a_txt_0001

Jason P · February 2012

The Juggler wrote:

right but come on...the 2010 version of the colts were already headed down hill and lost in the wildcard round...at home.

and just glancing at pro football reference, they were 0-5 against playoff teams too. in my opinion, they would have barely made it to 8 wins with peyton manning this year. so i guess that means he's good for 5-6 wins. the year before brady got hurt they went 16-0....11-5 without him in '08. so it's about the same difference. throw in all the post season heroics with less offensive talent and the edge goes to thomas brady.

Eight wins isn't pretty damn bad considering how the season went. And if they went to eight wins, the whole "andrew luck" topic would not even exist right now.

Point being ... if Manning didn't have a neck injury, we would not even be discussing this. The Colts would have made the playoffs (go fuck yourselves, broncos) and the team would be resetting themselves for another playoff run in 2012.

If Manning didn't exist, we would not even be having this conversation right now. The topic would be "What do the L.A. Colts do with the #1 pick."

If Brady never existed, do you think New England would be fretting over their franchise leaving town? For reality, if Manning never existed, I would probably would not give a flying flick about the NFL because they would not exist in Indiana.

If you are looking at ways to address the significance of a single player ... Manning wins hands down.

Ledbetterman10 · February 2012

jimed14 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

so if the pats win and brady plays well..........is he the best ever? i think i am still leaning towards montana but a case can absolutley be made for both.

One case against Brady in debates about him vs. Montana is the margin of victory in Super Bowls wins. Brady's three Super Bowl wins were each by 3 points. And while there's nothing wrong with that at all, in a true "Brady vs. Montana" argument, I think it's worth noting how The 49ers dominated very good Miami and Denver teams in the Super Bowl. And the first win over Cincinnati (26-21) wasn't as close as the final score suggests. As for the second one against Cincinnati in 1988, Montana's game winning drive in that one easily trumps Brady's FG drives against St. Louis and Carolina. I'm nit-picking here. But ya kind of have to in order to compare QBs from totally different eras.

Montana had Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Roger Craig.

When Brady won his superbowls he had Troy Brown, David Patten, Antowain Smith.

Food for thought.

Cases can be made for and against, the thing is, there is no right answer.

yeah that's totally worth noting. but let's not forget that Brady didn't exactly have slouches on defense either during the Super Bowl winning years. Their D was actually reminiscent of the early 70's Dolphins "No-name defense" in that it was dominant as a unit, but no one player stood out....

Which leads to an interesting Hall Of Fame argument concerning the early 2000's Patiots. They won 3 in 4 years, so obviously they need more hall of famers than just Brady and Belichick. The offensive guys you mentioned have no chance of making it. But will the likes of Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi, Richard Seymour, and others suffer the fate of the most of the 1972 Dolphins defense? Only their middle linebacker Nick Buoniconti is enshrined but the defense ranked in the top 6 in scoring defense from 1970-1975 and #1 in their 1972 and 1973 championship years. So which Pats besides Brady will make the Hall?

81 · February 2012

Vrabel?

Jason P · February 2012

81 wrote:

Vrabel?

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Perry?

jimed14 · February 2012

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

So which Pats besides Brady will make the Hall?

Vinitieri for the high profile kicks he's made.

I would say Rodney Harrison has a slim chance, he was on the last 2 superbowl teams and the 16-0 / 18-1 team. only two probowls, but, as stupid as it sounds, the broadcasting will probably help.

Wilfork has a shot, he was on the last Superbowl team.

But I would say no to Ty Law, Seymour and Bruschi

81 · February 2012

Was terry glenn on any of those teams

jimed14 · February 2012

81 wrote:

Was terry glenn on any of those teams

He was on the first superbowl team but was only active for 4 or 5 games, I think Belichick suspended him for behavior detrimental to the team and he was gone the next year.

I do believe Glenn is the answer to the trivia question, "Who caught Tom Brady's first ever touchdown pass?" ... a pretty insane catch against the Chargers I remember somewhat vividly.

DewieCox · February 2012

Gut reaction, I think Seymour has the best chance of any of those names mentioned.

FenwayFaithful · February 2012

jimed14 wrote:

81 wrote:

Was terry glenn on any of those teams

He was on the first superbowl team but was only active for 4 or 5 games, I think Belichick suspended him for behavior detrimental to the team and he was gone the next year.

I do believe Glenn is the answer to the trivia question, "Who caught Tom Brady's first ever touchdown pass?" ... a pretty insane catch against the Chargers I remember somewhat vividly.

She?

Ledbetterman10 · February 2012

jimed14 wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

So which Pats besides Brady will make the Hall?

Vinitieri for the high profile kicks he's made.

I would say Rodney Harrison has a slim chance, he was on the last 2 superbowl teams and the 16-0 / 18-1 team. only two probowls, but, as stupid as it sounds, the broadcasting will probably help.

Wilfork has a shot, he was on the last Superbowl team.

But I would say no to Ty Law, Seymour and Bruschi

Maybe Ty Law. 5 Pro-Bowls, on the all-decade team, huge pick-6 in the first Super Bowl, 3 picks of Manning in one game in the AFC title game. I think he has as good a shot as any of those Pats. And Seymour is a 7-time pro-bowler and first string (with Sapp) on the all-decade team. He has a fine shot.

The Juggler · February 2012

Jason P wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

right but come on...the 2010 version of the colts were already headed down hill and lost in the wildcard round...at home.

and just glancing at pro football reference, they were 0-5 against playoff teams too. in my opinion, they would have barely made it to 8 wins with peyton manning this year. so i guess that means he's good for 5-6 wins. the year before brady got hurt they went 16-0....11-5 without him in '08. so it's about the same difference. throw in all the post season heroics with less offensive talent and the edge goes to thomas brady.

Eight wins isn't pretty damn bad considering how the season went. And if they went to eight wins, the whole "andrew luck" topic would not even exist right now.

Point being ... if Manning didn't have a neck injury, we would not even be discussing this. The Colts would have made the playoffs (go fuck yourselves, broncos) and the team would be resetting themselves for another playoff run in 2012.

If Manning didn't exist, we would not even be having this conversation right now. The topic would be "What do the L.A. Colts do with the #1 pick."

If Brady never existed, do you think New England would be fretting over their franchise leaving town? For reality, if Manning never existed, I would probably would not give a flying flick about the NFL because they would not exist in Indiana.

If you are looking at ways to address the significance of a single player ... Manning wins hands down.

well....if brady never existed they wouldn't have won 3 super bowls and wouldn't be playing in their 5th with him as their qb in a couple days. that is pretty significant

it's an interesting argument though. i see your side. i just disagree with it.

The Juggler · February 2012

peyton to miami next year?

:think: :think: :think:

Cliffy6745 · February 2012

1 more day

The Juggler · February 2012

Cliffy6745 wrote:

1 more day

feeling confident cliff?

Cliffy6745 · February 2012

The Juggler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

1 more day

feeling confident cliff?

I was really confident. Now nervous. Too much time to think about it. I think they'll win but not as much as I did a week or so ago.

g under p · February 2012

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

1 more day

feeling confident cliff?

I was really confident. Now nervous. Too much time to think about it. I think they'll win but not as much as I did a week or so ago.

Opposite for me I think...I'm getting more and more confident as we go along here. I think the Patriots will start out slow but gain confidence as the game moves along. a win by 17 points by the Patriots.

BTW why the hell are the Patriots favored in this game is it to drive all the betting towards the Giants in Vegas?

Peace

eeriepadave · February 2012

The Juggler wrote:

peyton to miami next year?

:think: :think: :think:

or Washington :problem:

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