New Ticket Lottery system thoughts

RedMosquito22 · January 2012

gndcd402 wrote:

I apologize that I have a life and a full-time job which prevents me from sitting at my office computer wasting company time for hours/days trying to get tickets. Does that make me less of a fan? If so, you might want to try typing my screenname into YouTube and see how little a fan I am...

This is not the new ticket system by the way. It's a way to control the masses for 2 shows. don't get to carried away with it.

Haywood Yablomee · January 2012

EdsonNascimento wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

That's like saying that someone shouldn't get a doctor's job over me just because they went to medical school. I hate this "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. Life is not fair. Those of us who learned ways to enhance their odds of getting tickets, and put in hours hitting F5... put in effort to do so. Those who work hard should be rewarded. Those who got shut out of tickets should work to improve that situation, and not just bitch and complain about it.

Plus this will only open the door to scalpers. Only a true fan would put in hours hitting F5.

First, your analogy is silly. This isn't a job. And, it certainly not brain surgery (doctor - get it?). I'm all for free market capitalism. But, this is not an "achievement" or participation trophy. This is to see who gets to see a concert. Pretty low on the importance scale of life and certainly not a competition (though you wouldn't know that from around here). If the system didn't keep failing, I could understand leaving it, as it is easier for 10C, easier for us, etc. But, it's broken. Looking for a different, more equitable system in order for folks to see a concert seems like the right thing to do.

Second - it's much more difficult to scalp 10C tickets than open Ticketmaster sales. I'm sure it can be done - pick up early, then sell, etc. That seems like a bit more work just to make a few bucks when those same scalpers have the Ticketmaster system down and can probably get as many tickets as they want there.

Finally - how does hitting F5 prove your fandom? And who cares? If a "lesser" fan than me (not even sure how to quantify that) gets to go to a show and not me - good for them. Missing out on a concert is disappointing, but I'm no more entitled to see a concert than anyone else. (And if you ARE a true fan, there's always a way - perhaps that's how best to determine fandom).

I still have not read a single "I'm against trying this new system" post that is anything more than a rationalization. It's ok to be selfish. It's our right to do so. But, don't try to color it.

:wave: I'm completely against trying this system.
I actually decided to cut my trip short cause of it.
I was gonna do Amsterdam through the end of the tour.
Now, I'm just doing the 2 Amsterdam shows. Mainly for Amsterdam...
I feel that after 19 years of paying membership dues that I shouldn't and won't be thrown into a lottery for a regular show.
How's that for selfish??

High Fidelity 2000 · January 2012

I don't like that it said something about confirmation would be sent via email. Well, what about those of us who never get emails from Ten Club (they blame Yahoo BTW)?
Example, I didn't get the email yesterday about the 2 added shows and the whole lottery (not that it matters cause I am not in Europe, but it does for future shows), but I know one was sent out.

EdsonNascimento · January 2012

Jeff side wrote:

:wave: I'm completely against trying this system.
I actually decided to cut my trip short cause of it.
I was gonna do Amsterdam through the end of the tour.
Now, I'm just doing the 2 Amsterdam shows. Mainly for Amsterdam...
I feel that after 19 years of paying membership dues that I shouldn't and won't be thrown into a lottery for a regular show.
How's that for selfish??

You're right. That's not selfish. But, your face is looking for its nose......

And, the other 10C members you don't want having an equal chance as you are thrilled that they just improved their odds.

bootlegger10 · January 2012

Jeff side wrote:

against trying this system.
I actually decided to cut my trip short cause of it.
I was gonna do Amsterdam through the end of the tour.
Now, I'm just doing the 2 Amsterdam shows. Mainly for Amsterdam...
I feel that after 19 years of paying membership dues that I shouldn't and won't be thrown into a lottery for a regular show.
How's that for selfish??

You seriously based your decision on following Pearl Jam around Europe on the basis of whether you got Ten Club tickets? I don't think that is selfish, I just find it very odd. I view this trip as a European vacation with some Pearl Jam shows sprinkled in. My seat location is the last priority in deciding on a trip to Europe.

Also, it is a lottery amongst Ten Club members that want to go to the show. There are always going to be fan club members left out and having to go with public sale tickets. This is just another way of doing a fan club presale (and the same number of fan clubbers will get tickets and the same number of fan club members won't get them). It isn't like you are now thrown back to Ticketmaster or something.

Haywood Yablomee · January 2012

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Jeff side wrote:

:wave: I'm completely against trying this system.
I actually decided to cut my trip short cause of it.
I was gonna do Amsterdam through the end of the tour.
Now, I'm just doing the 2 Amsterdam shows. Mainly for Amsterdam...
I feel that after 19 years of paying membership dues that I shouldn't and won't be thrown into a lottery for a regular show.
How's that for selfish??

You're right. That's not selfish. But, your face is looking for its nose......

And, the other 10C members you don't want having an equal chance as you are thrilled that they just improved their odds.

No, I see it as saving myself about $2,000...
And back to the selfishness, Why should someone whose been a member for 2 years have the same chance as the person whose been a member for 19 years? They shouldn't!

dimitrispearljam · January 2012

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Jeff side wrote:

:wave: I'm completely against trying this system.
I actually decided to cut my trip short cause of it.
I was gonna do Amsterdam through the end of the tour.
Now, I'm just doing the 2 Amsterdam shows. Mainly for Amsterdam...
I feel that after 19 years of paying membership dues that I shouldn't and won't be thrown into a lottery for a regular show.
How's that for selfish??

You're right. That's not selfish. But, your face is looking for its nose......

And, the other 10C members you don't want having an equal chance as you are thrilled that they just improved their odds.

i like this Pele guy...

dimitrispearljam · January 2012

EdsonNascimento wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

That's like saying that someone shouldn't get a doctor's job over me just because they went to medical school. I hate this "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. Life is not fair. Those of us who learned ways to enhance their odds of getting tickets, and put in hours hitting F5... put in effort to do so. Those who work hard should be rewarded. Those who got shut out of tickets should work to improve that situation, and not just bitch and complain about it.

Plus this will only open the door to scalpers. Only a true fan would put in hours hitting F5.

First, your analogy is silly. This isn't a job. And, it certainly not brain surgery (doctor - get it?). I'm all for free market capitalism. But, this is not an "achievement" or participation trophy. This is to see who gets to see a concert. Pretty low on the importance scale of life and certainly not a competition (though you wouldn't know that from around here). If the system didn't keep failing, I could understand leaving it, as it is easier for 10C, easier for us, etc. But, it's broken. Looking for a different, more equitable system in order for folks to see a concert seems like the right thing to do.

Second - it's much more difficult to scalp 10C tickets than open Ticketmaster sales. I'm sure it can be done - pick up early, then sell, etc. That seems like a bit more work just to make a few bucks when those same scalpers have the Ticketmaster system down and can probably get as many tickets as they want there.

Finally - how does hitting F5 prove your fandom? And who cares? If a "lesser" fan than me (not even sure how to quantify that) gets to go to a show and not me - good for them. Missing out on a concert is disappointing, but I'm no more entitled to see a concert than anyone else. (And if you ARE a true fan, there's always a way - perhaps that's how best to determine fandom).

I still have not read a single "I'm against trying this new system" post that is anything more than a rationalization. It's ok to be selfish. It's our right to do so. But, don't try to color it.

Pele and goaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallll!!!

dimitrispearljam · January 2012

Jeff side wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Jeff side wrote:

:wave: I'm completely against trying this system.
I actually decided to cut my trip short cause of it.
I was gonna do Amsterdam through the end of the tour.
Now, I'm just doing the 2 Amsterdam shows. Mainly for Amsterdam...
I feel that after 19 years of paying membership dues that I shouldn't and won't be thrown into a lottery for a regular show.
How's that for selfish??

You're right. That's not selfish. But, your face is looking for its nose......

And, the other 10C members you don't want having an equal chance as you are thrilled that they just improved their odds.

No, I see it as saving myself about $2,000...
And back to the selfishness, Why should someone whose been a member for 2 years have the same chance as the person whose been a member for 19 years? They shouldn't!

cos you dollars is the same as the 2 years member..same color,same value..50$ from your pocket is the same value with any other 50$..even is a 13 year old highschool kid

JimmyV · January 2012

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Jeff side wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

You're right. That's not selfish. But, your face is looking for its nose......

And, the other 10C members you don't want having an equal chance as you are thrilled that they just improved their odds.

No, I see it as saving myself about $2,000...
And back to the selfishness, Why should someone whose been a member for 2 years have the same chance as the person whose been a member for 19 years? They shouldn't!

cos you dollars is the same as the 2 years member..same color,same value..50$ from your pocket is the same value with any other 50$..even is a 13 year old highschool kid

Totally agree. Dimitris with a goal of his own!

Haywood Yablomee · January 2012

bootlegger10 wrote:

Jeff side wrote:

against trying this system.
I actually decided to cut my trip short cause of it.
I was gonna do Amsterdam through the end of the tour.
Now, I'm just doing the 2 Amsterdam shows. Mainly for Amsterdam...
I feel that after 19 years of paying membership dues that I shouldn't and won't be thrown into a lottery for a regular show.
How's that for selfish??

You seriously based your decision on following Pearl Jam around Europe on the basis of whether you got Ten Club tickets? I don't think that is selfish, I just find it very odd. I view this trip as a European vacation with some Pearl Jam shows sprinkled in. My seat location is the last priority in deciding on a trip to Europe.

Also, it is a lottery amongst Ten Club members that want to go to the show. There are always going to be fan club members left out and having to go with public sale tickets. This is just another way of doing a fan club presale (and the same number of fan clubbers will get tickets and the same number of fan club members won't get them). It isn't like you are now thrown back to Ticketmaster or something.

Actually, I've been boycotting seeing them live since the 2008 tour. For many reasons...
These were gonna be my first shows seeing them in 4 years. (I've seen them in triple digits)
My main reason to see them again was mostly to hang out with my friends in Amsterdam.
Somehow that turned into me planning on going to more shows, but then I realized why I stopped going in the first place.

And to Dimitris....
If I was 15 years late to the party like yourself, I'd probably have the same view....
Also, I pay $40 and my money is a different color than yours and a different value.

lukin2006 · January 2012

This band is based in Seattle...right? so there are no tech companies in Seattle that can set up a computer system to sell tickets that won't crash? really? people still believe it's sabotage? If they do this for a full tour, then it's likely not fair, it'll just be the luck of the draw...I think paying 20-50 a year just to hope to get tickets doesn't seem fair. Why not just contract out ticketmaster for 10 c sales? there good at.

But that's me...I'm skeptical by nature.

RE4790 · January 2012

Just so you guys realize... as barriers to consumption are lowered in systems with fixed supply, demand increases. IOW, you will be competing with more people than ever for tickets and no amount effort or trying hard because you really want to or persistence will help. It will just be chance. I think people are OK because it is exactly very fair, but also because they assume they will win the lotto, even though it's entirely possible that a person will be shut out of every show they try for just because of bad luck, where in the old system, they could target their efforts on the show they most want. People will probably put their names into several shows even if they only want to go one, just to improve their chances of getting any tickets.

gndcd402 · January 2012

Jeff side wrote:

Why should someone whose been a member for 2 years have the same chance as the person whose been a member for 19 years? They shouldn't!

Why not? Why are you more entitled to tickets than somebody else? You already have seniority (which is a whole other topic, don't get me started). Why does a kid who is 16 who just discovered the band and who pays the same membership amount as you not deserve to have the same chance at a ticket as some elitist like you?

shep · January 2012

lukin2006 wrote:

Why not just contract out ticketmaster for 10 c sales?

Because this is a band called Pearl Jam that got in a big fight with ticketmaster in the 1990's... The fight didn't kill them, they lived through it and made millions of dollars...

And you know, if I made million's of dollars, the last thing I'd want to do is jump back in bed with the company I was fighting with for years, just because they're system worked and was capable of doing something I couldn't do myself.... Millions of dollars allows me to be as stubborn as I want to be.

lukin2006 wrote:

This band is based in Seattle...right? so there are no tech companies in Seattle that can set up a computer system to sell tickets that won't crash? really? people still believe it's sabotage?

I'm definitely in agreement with you there... the "sabotage" scapegoat is ridiculous, but let's sweep that under the rug and move on, ok? :shifty:

Zod · January 2012

gndcd402 wrote:

Jeff side wrote:

Why should someone whose been a member for 2 years have the same chance as the person whose been a member for 19 years? They shouldn't!

Why not? Why are you more entitled to tickets than somebody else? You already have seniority (which is a whole other topic, don't get me started). Why does a kid who is 16 who just discovered the band and who pays the same membership amount as you not deserve to have the same chance at a ticket as some elitist like you?

I agree. With tickets based on senority, we've already seen very low attrition in the ten club. IE most everyone renews there memberships, and you never really gain senority.

So say people that joined in 1992, would have enjoyed the best tickets (and having tickets) from the 2000 tour on (at 8 years of membership), but anyone who joined in 2000 probably still gets pretty mediocre tickets (and its 12 years on from that date now).

If everything was based on senority, I don't think the 10c would attract new members. Which I don't think is good. The people that signed up in the early 90's have been loyal, but I don't think it's a lifetime entitlement? They had benefits at 10 years of membership, that nobody else will ever get?

DE483 · January 2012

Here's a question - what if you have one email address for your 10c membership and a different address for your paypal? Seems like then you cannot buy tickets. Thoughts?
I like the old system better. I will just keep beating my f5 key into the ground until I succeed.

RedMosquito22 · January 2012

They are not going to have ticketmaster run their system, nor would I want them to.

jamburger · January 2012

DE483 wrote:

Here's a question - what if you have one email address for your 10c membership and a different address for your paypal? Seems like then you cannot buy tickets. Thoughts?
I like the old system better. I will just keep beating my f5 key into the ground until I succeed.

Add your 10 Club email address to your PayPal account. You can have multiple e-mail address on PayPal.

Empty Glass · January 2012

Never been locked out for a show. I'd have no problem being thrown into a lottery. I'm getting too old and getting sick of spending hours trying to get concert tix.

It's a concert! I still want to go, and will go to as many as possible, but the aggravation of trying isn't worth it. Note: I've been to many shows and have what I think is a pretty damn good 10c #.

I'm much more in favor of 1 show per tour, then open tix up to all members after an initial selection.

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