2012 Resolution: Ignore The Trolls
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for some reason i read your post and it reminded me of this semi-paraphrased quote from the three amigos..cincybearcat wrote:It is pretty funny though, I think no matter what anyone defines "troll" to be, we all have who we consider to be our own trolls.
And there are certainly people around here that fit the bill of the internet definition as well.
And I think the spirit of the OPs post is a good one. Avoid the trolls, anyone you consider to be a troll. If you don't get anything valuable from the interaction, why stress about it?
"we all have our own personal el guapo. for some, it may be the inability to read or hold a job. in our case, our el guapo is the real el guapo who is a big mean guy who wants to kill us..."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
pandora wrote:
is this statement a contradiction?he still stands wrote:the thing is, people are DELIBERATELY being trolls. it is just that some people have been so brainwashed that they believe in things like murder, conquest, and the will of the nation above the will of the people.
"DELIBERATELY being trolls / so brainwashed that they believe"
aren't they just stating their opinion which is not one you share?
meant to say they are NOT deliberately being trolls. if you're deliberately being a troll, you're just a troll... there's no need for the word "deliberately." that would be redundant.
yes, they are just stating their opinion. but when their opinion is founded on hate and bigotry and ethnocentrism, it produces the same effect for most readers here as someone who is trolling.
hence my point, they are NOT deliberately trolling, but producing the same effect as a troll.
any opinion not founded on rationality, logic and compassion shouldn't be treated like gold just because it is someone's *SUPPOSEDLY* original thought. that would be stupid. that would mean we couldn't throw ideas of the KKK and Hitler and communism in the trash heap. That may be hyperbole, but some peoples' opinions here are just as hateful or ignorant as those examples.Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
I agree the hateful way some approach others is definitely trollish.he still stands wrote:pandora wrote:
is this statement a contradiction?he still stands wrote:the thing is, people are DELIBERATELY being trolls. it is just that some people have been so brainwashed that they believe in things like murder, conquest, and the will of the nation above the will of the people.
"DELIBERATELY being trolls / so brainwashed that they believe"
aren't they just stating their opinion which is not one you share?
meant to say they are NOT deliberately being trolls. if you're deliberately being a troll, you're just a troll... there's no need for the word "deliberately." that would be redundant.
yes, they are just stating their opinion. but when their opinion is founded on hate and bigotry and ethnocentrism, it produces the same effect for most readers here as someone who is trolling.
hence my point, they are NOT deliberately trolling, but producing the same effect as a troll.
any opinion not founded on rationality, logic and compassion shouldn't be treated like gold just because it is someone's *SUPPOSEDLY* original thought. that would be stupid. that would mean we couldn't throw ideas of the KKK and Hitler and communism in the trash heap. That may be hyperbole, but some peoples' opinions here are just as hateful or ignorant as those examples.
I have felt this when I have been trolled by others. The brunt of nasty smug remarks
put downs etc. very trolling indeed.
My opinion we must remain compassionate for all even those we don't agree with
and accept their right to their own gold thoughts ... lord knows everyone here
thinks theirs is
and some might even agree they are golden keepers....
I have found many!
In my case I feel my opinions, often not based in logic nor rationality.
I feel others opinions as well even though I do not not necessarily share them.
I enjoy that, being free to feel, one learns a lot this way cause you never know
who you will learn what from...
best not to judge a book by its cover and even once read ....
there's always a chance for a sequel
we have a wonderful gift in each other most especially those we do not agree with0 -
OP's trolling the trolls...0
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he still stands wrote:pandora wrote:
is this statement a contradiction?he still stands wrote:the thing is, people are DELIBERATELY being trolls. it is just that some people have been so brainwashed that they believe in things like murder, conquest, and the will of the nation above the will of the people.
"DELIBERATELY being trolls / so brainwashed that they believe"
aren't they just stating their opinion which is not one you share?
meant to say they are NOT deliberately being trolls. if you're deliberately being a troll, you're just a troll... there's no need for the word "deliberately." that would be redundant.
yes, they are just stating their opinion. but when their opinion is founded on hate and bigotry and ethnocentrism, it produces the same effect for most readers here as someone who is trolling.
hence my point, they are NOT deliberately trolling, but producing the same effect as a troll.
any opinion not founded on rationality, logic and compassion shouldn't be treated like gold just because it is someone's *SUPPOSEDLY* original thought. that would be stupid. that would mean we couldn't throw ideas of the KKK and Hitler and communism in the trash heap. That may be hyperbole, but some peoples' opinions here are just as hateful or ignorant as those examples.
Hitler would very much approve of your deciding what ideas to "throw on the ash heap" and which to cherish.
This is how it starts...
This is what tyranny looks like, when it's reaching out to shake your hand for the first time...0 -
My 2012 Resolution - Ignore the thread about ignoring trolls CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
FiveB247x wrote:My 2012 Resolution - Ignore the thread about ignoring trolls
that's good advice.
time for me to follow it...0 -
MayDay Malone wrote:Hitler would very much approve of your deciding what ideas to "throw on the ash heap" and which to cherish.
This is how it starts...
This is what tyranny looks like, when it's reaching out to shake your hand for the first time...
oh, that's like poetry. pfft. i don't know why it is hard to understand that when people post stuff that's hateful and bigoted it is utter shite.
there IS line of what's acceptable and what's not. the homophobe who was making fun of the gay guy here a while back? not acceptable. promoting a view of US dominance and a tacit approval of murder? not acceptable. It doesn't need to be deleted or scrubbed, it just needs to be pointed out that it is lizard-brained rhetoric and produces the same effect as someone who's seriously trolling.Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
he still stands wrote:MayDay Malone wrote:Hitler would very much approve of your deciding what ideas to "throw on the ash heap" and which to cherish.
This is how it starts...
This is what tyranny looks like, when it's reaching out to shake your hand for the first time...
oh, that's like poetry. pfft. i don't know why it is hard to understand that when people post stuff that's hateful and bigoted it is utter shite.
there IS line of what's acceptable and what's not. the homophobe who was making fun of the gay guy here a while back? not acceptable. promoting a view of US dominance and a tacit approval of murder? not acceptable. It doesn't need to be deleted or scrubbed, it just needs to be pointed out that it is lizard-brained rhetoric and produces the same effect as someone who's seriously trolling.
acceptable ? by whos standards....yours ? c'mon man this is the train and not all of us have the same views or opinions of the world as you see it.
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Godfather. wrote:
acceptable ? by whos standards....yours ? c'mon man this is the train and not all of us have the same views or opinions of the world as you see it.
Godfather
by the standards of humanity. malum in se. look it up.Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0 -
I only live by The Butter Standard. Its Scandanavian, Socialist, and SO chic right now.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
look it up.0 -
Godfather. wrote:he still stands wrote:MayDay Malone wrote:Hitler would very much approve of your deciding what ideas to "throw on the ash heap" and which to cherish.
This is how it starts...
This is what tyranny looks like, when it's reaching out to shake your hand for the first time...
oh, that's like poetry. pfft. i don't know why it is hard to understand that when people post stuff that's hateful and bigoted it is utter shite.
there IS line of what's acceptable and what's not. the homophobe who was making fun of the gay guy here a while back? not acceptable. promoting a view of US dominance and a tacit approval of murder? not acceptable. It doesn't need to be deleted or scrubbed, it just needs to be pointed out that it is lizard-brained rhetoric and produces the same effect as someone who's seriously trolling.
acceptable ? by whos standards....yours ? c'mon man this is the train and not all of us have the same views or opinions of the world as you see it.
Godfather
I think I agree somewhat with Godfather here. Whilst I understand your position HSS, and I also find the things you mentioned reprehensible, if it is a reasonably presented opinion (and I don't know what these posts you mention were), it needs to be accepted as part of a debate. Some people may be homophobe but there is a way of saying this and you may choose to respond with your views. If one 'jumps' into a debate ref homosexuality for example and, completely out of context, says something short and flippant (eg all these f*** ask for a red hot poker.... - you get my drift) as their only contribution in order to antagonise, I would consider that trolling.0 -
FiveB247x wrote:My 2012 Resolution - Ignore the thread about ignoring trolls
Already failed huh?hippiemom = goodness0 -
MayDay Malone wrote:FiveB247x wrote:My 2012 Resolution - Ignore the thread about ignoring trolls
that's good advice.
time for me to follow it...
I fail.0 -
Starting now.cincybearcat wrote:FiveB247x wrote:My 2012 Resolution - Ignore the thread about ignoring trolls
Already failed huh?CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis0 -
again, I'm NOT saying anything should be deleted, locked, scrubbed or that people should be banned. all I'm saying is that it is the duty of everyone here to keep the place down the path where the collective will takes it. We should call out, make fun of, and even ridicule those who stray WAY off or even go backwards by advocating hate, bigotry or ignorance. That kind of stuff doesn't belong in a debate, it belongs in the trash heap.Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0
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he still stands wrote:again, I'm NOT saying anything should be deleted, locked, scrubbed or that people should be banned. all I'm saying is that it is the duty of everyone here to keep the place down the path where the collective will takes it. We should call out, make fun of, and even ridicule those who stray WAY off or even go backwards by advocating hate, bigotry or ignorance. That kind of stuff doesn't belong in a debate, it belongs in the trash heap.
I would agree but you are guilty by your own defination when you call people homophobs and biggots...right ?
Godfather.0 -
he still stands wrote:again, I'm NOT saying anything should be deleted, locked, scrubbed or that people should be banned. all I'm saying is that it is the duty of everyone here to keep the place down the path where the collective will takes it. We should call out, make fun of, and even ridicule those who stray WAY off or even go backwards by advocating hate, bigotry or ignorance. That kind of stuff doesn't belong in a debate, it belongs in the trash heap.
Redundant.
And now you're condoning the "calling out, making fun of, and ridicule" of people who "stray WAY off".
As long as you get to define what "stray WAY off" means, you ought to be very happy.
Again, this is the smiling new face of tyranny... just go with the flow... you know- where the "collective will takes" you...0 -
Kindness is in our power, even when fondness is not
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in a perfect world trolling should be called out if it can not be ignored.. perhaps shaming people would stop the trollish behavior.
then again, i think people are smart enough to take the high road and not take the bait.
look at this thread, derailed on page 2."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0
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