2012 Resolution: Ignore The Trolls

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

in a perfect world trolling should be called out if it can not be ignored.. perhaps shaming people would stop the trollish behavior.

then again, i think people are smart enough to take the high road and not take the bait.

look at this thread, derailed on page 2.

derailed because you don't agree ... again :?

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

in a perfect world trolling should be called out if it can not be ignored.. perhaps shaming people would stop the trollish behavior.

then again, i think people are smart enough to take the high road and not take the bait.

look at this thread, derailed on page 2.

derailed because you don't agree ... again :?

I think what he's possibly talking about is -- the misunderstood use of the internet term "troll"
Ie:

pandora wrote:

Trolls, in my opinion, are those who attempt to hurt and put down others
not their opinions.

This is bullying, not trolling.
It got off track because you created your own definition of the word that has a different common understanding on internet message boards. Trolling is often considered coming to a thread and derailing it with nonsense too -- Like my example that you ignored about a response Like "Death Penalty" in the abortion thread... THAT is trolling too. see the difference?

Example of trolling (see the first response):
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=180116

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

in a perfect world trolling should be called out if it can not be ignored.. perhaps shaming people would stop the trollish behavior.

then again, i think people are smart enough to take the high road and not take the bait.

look at this thread, derailed on page 2.

derailed because you don't agree ... again :?

I think what he's possibly talking about is -- the misunderstood use of the internet term "troll"
Ie:

pandora wrote:

Trolls, in my opinion, are those who attempt to hurt and put down others
not their opinions.

This is bullying, not trolling.
It got off track because you created your own definition of the word that has a different common understanding on internet message boards. Trolling is often considered coming to a thread and derailing it with nonsense too -- Like my example that you ignored about a response Like "Death Penalty" in the abortion thread... THAT is trolling too. see the difference?

This is my opinion on what and who are trolls.

This my exact point... it is still on topic. But called derailed because
someone does not agree with a definition.

Another poster has mentioned ...
we all have our own definition of what trolling is and who are trolls in our own opinion
from our own experience.
This oh so true. And a point that should be made.

I have explained who are the trolls to me,
those you are harmful and hurtful to other posters and to thread integrity in that order.

It seems some here do not care that others ridicule, insult, etc they even promote it.
As long as its not directed towards someone they click with.
In my opinion those are the trolls to be shamed for the mistreatment of other posters.

I don't believe you directed anything to me about abortion or the death penalty ...
but I think I have made it clear on what my definition of a troll is
and I assume your example of bringing up a subject that a poster
felt was a related subject would not fall under
being harmful or hurtful to others

Thread integrity might be more in the eyes of the beholder.
It would depend on what that poster's point was at that moment in the debate
I would probably not judge that poster nor cry derail just cause it was inflammatory.

cincybearcat

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

in a perfect world trolling should be called out if it can not be ignored.. perhaps shaming people would stop the trollish behavior.

then again, i think people are smart enough to take the high road and not take the bait.

look at this thread, derailed on page 2.

derailed because you don't agree ... again :?

I think what he's possibly talking about is -- the misunderstood use of the internet term "troll"
Ie:

pandora wrote:

Trolls, in my opinion, are those who attempt to hurt and put down others
not their opinions.

This is bullying, not trolling.
It got off track because you created your own definition of the word that has a different common understanding on internet message boards. Trolling is often considered coming to a thread and derailing it with nonsense too -- Like my example that you ignored about a response Like "Death Penalty" in the abortion thread... THAT is trolling too. see the difference?

Example of trolling (see the first response):
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=180116

You know, some of you really need to lighten up. You even says that that "trolling is often considered coming to a thread and derailing it with nonsense too"

So, the definition of trolling has changed? Or been added too? By whom? Time to stop taking yourself so seriously and recognize that lots of people have a different opinion of who is and who is not a troll and it's based on what they believe trolling to be. Just like you added a new one about gibberish.

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

Another poster has mentioned ...
we all have our own definition of what trolling is and who are trolls in our own opinion
from our own experience.
This oh so true. And a point that should be made.

But if 20 people have the same definition of a word, and your is completely different, can you not understand how the objective was to discuss something other than BULLYING? You might consider having an open mind to another idea, that trolling and bullying arent synonymous in this example? Your definition simply doesnt fit the bill.. its not opinion.

pandora wrote:

I don't believe you directed anything to me about abortion or the death penalty ...
but I think I have made it clear on what my definition of a troll is
and I assume your example of bringing up a subject that a poster
felt was a related subject would not fall under
being harmful or hurtful to others

Did you click the link in my last post? its an example of trolling.

pandora wrote:

Thread integrity might be more in the eyes of the beholder.
It would depend on what that poster's point was at that moment in the debate
I would probably not judge that poster nor cry derail just cause it was inflammatory.

The OP's point was to ignore people who post nonsense who aim to derail a thread, not how to fight bullying. But if you want to be that one person on the outside, possibly derailing a thread, I guess that's your prerogative.

cincybearcat

JonnyPistachio wrote:

The OP's point was to ignore people who post nonsense who aim to derail a thread, not how to fight bullying. But if you want to be that one person on the outside, possibly derailing a thread, I guess that's your prerogative.

See, I thought it was more about him ignoring people that do post on topic but specifically antagonistic and without backing substance. Not just nonsense. But then again, neither one of us are him, so how could we know.

Godfather.

Shawshank I see you are lurking about...what say you my good man on this subject.


Godfather.

JonnyPistachio

cincybearcat wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

The OP's point was to ignore people who post nonsense who aim to derail a thread, not how to fight bullying. But if you want to be that one person on the outside, possibly derailing a thread, I guess that's your prerogative.

See, I thought it was more about him ignoring people that do post on topic but specifically antagonistic and without backing substance. Not just nonsense. But then again, neither one of us are him, so how could we know.

Did you click my link about the abortion thread with the example of trolling?
Isnt it obvious who Byrzie butts heads with around here?
Either way, we know Byrnzie cant ignore trolling or bullying.

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

Another poster has mentioned ...
we all have our own definition of what trolling is and who are trolls in our own opinion
from our own experience.
This oh so true. And a point that should be made.

But if 20 people have the same definition of a word, and your is completely different, can you not understand how the objective was to discuss something other than BULLYING? You might consider having an open mind to another idea, that trolling and bullying arent synonymous in this example? Your definition simply doesnt fit the bill.. its not opinion.

pandora wrote:

I don't believe you directed anything to me about abortion or the death penalty ...
but I think I have made it clear on what my definition of a troll is
and I assume your example of bringing up a subject that a poster
felt was a related subject would not fall under
being harmful or hurtful to others

Did you click the link in my last post? its an example of trolling.

pandora wrote:

Thread integrity might be more in the eyes of the beholder.
It would depend on what that poster's point was at that moment in the debate
I would probably not judge that poster nor cry derail just cause it was inflammatory.

The OP's point was to ignore people who post nonsense who aim to derail a thread, not how to fight bullying. But if you want to be that one person on the outside, possibly derailing a thread, I guess that's your prerogative.

I did click on the link I did see death penalty and I chuckled
sorry
what's and where's the beef?

Like I said I wouldn't cry derail over that
In fact, just me, but I wouldn't cry derail ever...
each person was given 2 ears and one mouth so we could listen more than we speak

I try to listen to whatever people post and learn from it and more about them
I don't try to shut them up most especially those I do not agree with.

I would hope like a said before kindness would prevail even
when there is a lack of fondness.

But unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case, perhaps too much to ask

my definition sticks for me ...
bullies are trolls I do not care if 20 people don't define it the same
things change ...
maybe others will find they feel the same as I when it happens to them
and they will expand their definition to include the 'harmful and hurtful to other posters'
not just those who compromise thread integrity.

Jeanwah

I see that this thread is the perfect example of trolling. I believe the trolls know who they are, but of course, won't admit to it. Good job. :thumbdown:

And either Byrnzie isn't around, or he's doing a fantabulous job at ignoring...

gimmesometruth27

i don't see how someone can change a nearly universally accepted definition of something and not understand why people don't see it the way they do.

that would be like me changing the definition of "up" to include "up and slightly to the right". yes it is technically up, but it is in a lateral direction, not stright up. they are different things. the we have to use the terms that we have all agreed upon as a society/internet community or communication suffers.

i am sticking with the definition i posted and that is what i am going by.

catefrances

if the bullies are hanging solely to bully and contribute nothing else then id call them trolls.

josevolution

Wait so am i considered a Troll around these parts :? ....

cincybearcat

Wiki says everyone is right...

"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted".
While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[5][6] The "trollface" (pictured right) has become a well-recognized icon of Internet trolling. It was drawn by deviantArt user Whynne and uploaded to the site in 2008."


Looks like as with most newer terms, it continues to evolve. That's all I'm saying. Well, that and the fact that people can interpret internet messages differently causing them to have a different opinion of what is trolling.

I do find it funny that this thread went this direction. The reality is everyone knows who they think is a troll here and the message still applies...try to not feed your trolls.

pandora

Well, I hope my troll ignores me finally .... that would be stupendous!
I have not fed this troll ... I have ignored though offensive unsolicited hateful remarks
continued. I would call that not only trollish behavior but spiteful and vengeful too.
Ugly stuff.

Again we have the power for kindness even without fondness ...
and thats growing up and being a civil adult even with those we don't agree with,
most especially with those we don't agree with.

markin ball

Jeanwah wrote:

I see that this thread is the perfect example of trolling. I believe the trolls know who they are, but of course, won't admit to it. Good job. :thumbdown:

And either Byrnzie isn't around, or he's doing a fantabulous job at ignoring...

Yep, he must have decided we were all trolls.

he still stands

I give up. I think people are just being contrarians. Or maybe I'm being trolled. :?

catefrances

markin ball wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I see that this thread is the perfect example of trolling. I believe the trolls know who they are, but of course, won't admit to it. Good job. :thumbdown:

And either Byrnzie isn't around, or he's doing a fantabulous job at ignoring...

Yep, he must have decided we were all trolls.

its not even 9am in china.. give him a chance to wake up.

cincybearcat

he still stands wrote:

I give up. I think people are just being contrarians. Or maybe I'm being trolled. :?

Didn't like the wiki definition huh?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

pandora wrote:

Well, I hope my troll ignores me finally .... that would be stupendous!
I have not fed this troll ... I have ignored though offensive unsolicited hateful remarks
continued. I would call that not only trollish behavior but spiteful and vengeful too.
Ugly stuff.

Again we have the power for kindness even without fondness ...
and thats growing up and being a civil adult even with those we don't agree with,
most especially with those we don't agree with.

who are you kidding? you feed this "troll" every single time you blather on about ignoring them, yet you mention them at every chance you get! that is the VERY DEFINITION OF A TROLL!