Ticketing Issues #2 (Use this thread only)

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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,266
    phungi wrote:
    Kat,
    I posted this in another thread, but hope it will be read and considered:

    Regardless of whatever solution is adopted for managing ticket sales, 10c needs to beta-test any new system that is implemented with ample time to identify issues, diagnose the problems, de-bug the code, re-run beta tests, and keep doing this until all issues and bugs are identified and removed.

    We are a rabid and dedicated fan base (see: thousands of posts in several ongoing threads on ticket issues in only 2 days) and we will show up in the 10,000s to hammer away at any mock-sale or dry run of a new ticket system.
    Um, no. If the solution is to outsource ticket sales to another company, that company needs to test their system. I believe this happened, and I believe this was a DoS attack. CrowdSurge are not new to this, and with their experience in the industry - this sale should have worked.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
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  • benjs wrote:
    phungi wrote:
    Kat,
    I posted this in another thread, but hope it will be read and considered:

    Regardless of whatever solution is adopted for managing ticket sales, 10c needs to beta-test any new system that is implemented with ample time to identify issues, diagnose the problems, de-bug the code, re-run beta tests, and keep doing this until all issues and bugs are identified and removed.

    We are a rabid and dedicated fan base (see: thousands of posts in several ongoing threads on ticket issues in only 2 days) and we will show up in the 10,000s to hammer away at any mock-sale or dry run of a new ticket system.
    Um, no. If the solution is to outsource ticket sales to another company, that company needs to test their system. I believe this happened, and I believe this was a DoS attack. CrowdSurge are not new to this, and with their experience in the industry - this sale should have worked.

    in short, what is their experience in the industry?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • benjs wrote:
    phungi wrote:
    Kat,
    I posted this in another thread, but hope it will be read and considered:

    Regardless of whatever solution is adopted for managing ticket sales, 10c needs to beta-test any new system that is implemented with ample time to identify issues, diagnose the problems, de-bug the code, re-run beta tests, and keep doing this until all issues and bugs are identified and removed.

    We are a rabid and dedicated fan base (see: thousands of posts in several ongoing threads on ticket issues in only 2 days) and we will show up in the 10,000s to hammer away at any mock-sale or dry run of a new ticket system.
    Um, no. If the solution is to outsource ticket sales to another company, that company needs to test their system. I believe this happened, and I believe this was a DoS attack. CrowdSurge are not new to this, and with their experience in the industry - this sale should have worked.

    in short, what is their experience in the industry?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • P3PP3P Posts: 4
    Hi,

    We want Berlin standing tickets, but they are missing from ticketing website.
    Standing area is completely missing from seating map, without any sold out notice.
    I guess that you can only buy seated tickets.

    Could anybody please explain what happened with standing tickets?
    Are they sold out?
    Were they really offered to public?

    I have found them on other websites for double the price. This is shameful since there are Tenclub members (me) without any chance to obtain tickets.

    Any information will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
  • i dont care about how this whole thing end up,.im not a complainer,i think and see all from positive side
    everyone want to be in the venue,will find the way,a big group of people all this hours try to help eachother..
    the community exist,friends help eachother..in the end is just a rock concert and a fan club of a rock band.
    the only think i actually care is that i see all my pj friend,sad,angry and lost all the fun and exiting of this tour...
    its easy to find which fault is,but even for that i dont care..

    its a shame that people score tix..even in fan club presale..even at public sale..
    and ALL are unhappy and angry....

    ITS A SHAME....
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,266
    benjs wrote:
    phungi wrote:
    Kat,
    I posted this in another thread, but hope it will be read and considered:

    Regardless of whatever solution is adopted for managing ticket sales, 10c needs to beta-test any new system that is implemented with ample time to identify issues, diagnose the problems, de-bug the code, re-run beta tests, and keep doing this until all issues and bugs are identified and removed.

    We are a rabid and dedicated fan base (see: thousands of posts in several ongoing threads on ticket issues in only 2 days) and we will show up in the 10,000s to hammer away at any mock-sale or dry run of a new ticket system.
    Um, no. If the solution is to outsource ticket sales to another company, that company needs to test their system. I believe this happened, and I believe this was a DoS attack. CrowdSurge are not new to this, and with their experience in the industry - this sale should have worked.

    in short, what is their experience in the industry?
    CrowdSurge? Three years of successful pre-sales and ticketing distribution for bands ranging in size - including large names like Paul McCartney, Arcade Fire, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and the Foo Fighters.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • boyo79boyo79 Warrington, UK Posts: 6,525
    Kat wrote:
    europe is still waiting for some type of apology

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update

    ...which was not in the original statement.

    "With apologies, Ten Club"

    Not happy with that Neily?? :lol:





    A true apology accepts responsibility, imo.

    It's pretty pathetic isn't it? That's not an apology of any sorts. But I wouldn't expect any less.
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  • Kat wrote:
    europe is still waiting for some type of apology

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update


    i'll take your word because i can't get past the sabotage line w/ out laughing till tears stream down


    have a good day


    and please find the person who did this b4 nyc attempts to go on sale


    Keep ur head up 10C... and fans too. I know its frustraiting, but at least they're touring for you...

    Try catching a PJ show in Alabama... I've been staring at a screen for 9 years.

    NYC, huh? What a refreshing thought... PJ on another Northeast swing.... ugh.

    20 million NE fans all bitching about their 20th show in like 5 years... sigh.
  • covered in blisscovered in bliss chi-caw-go Posts: 1,332
    benjs wrote:
    Um, no. If the solution is to outsource ticket sales to another company, that company needs to test their system. I believe this happened, and I believe this was a DoS attack. CrowdSurge are not new to this, and with their experience in the industry - this sale should have worked.

    my post from a locked thread:

    do people realize how BIG it is that crowdsurge is agreeing to the sabotage thing? If it was a blatant, cover-up lie on 10C's part, why would CS risk their business by publicly stating that it's true? If you were an artist, would you put your tickets in the hands of a company that can be easily hacked? I sure wouldn't.

    They are compromising future business by even admitting that it happened, true or not true. And I'm going to bet that if it WASN'T true, they sure wouldn't be on board with some big cover-up.

    The only thing going for them is that they can say "yeah, it was all some crazy pearl jam thing".
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,362
    When I received Emek's email describing what happened to his website I believed it, wholeheartedly. There was not a part of my mind that doubted his sincerity. When I read the email from 10C last night I had the exact opposite reaction. I simply find this whole story incredibly hard to believe.

    The Europe sale was sabotaged...

    The Alpine/Canada sale was attacked...

    What about the Eddie Vedder sale? MSG last year? Were those travesties also the result of "sabotage"? It just doesn't seem likely, does it?

    To me sabotage seems like a very easy and convenient excuse for the latest episode in what has been a ridiculously long-running series of fiascoes. I wish I didn't feel this way. I wish I still felt like the club deserved the benefit of my doubt. I just don't think they do any longer. Something needs to change.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    benjs wrote:
    CrowdSurge? Three years of successful pre-sales and ticketing distribution for bands ranging in size - including large names like Paul McCartney, Arcade Fire, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and the Foo Fighters.

    i'm pretty sure i read prior to the sale from someone who has used crowdsurge that it wasn't going to be as everyone expected ... that person bought tickets for some band I hadn't heard of (not to say they weren't popular) and that he had issues ...
  • What's this about Alpine being hacked? Don't remember anything about that
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • KatKat Posts: 4,939
    benjs wrote:
    Kat wrote:
    Kat,
    How about we start a thread where someone from the 10c actually addresses some of the comments and valid concerns that have been brought up? You know, from the people who pay good money for these services in uncertain economic times, ensuring that you all have your jobs. This silence is deafening. The lack of any concern and what now looks like acrimony from the 10c towards it's loyal fans reflects poorly not only on yourselves but on Pearl Jam as well.

    I don't have information on when more information will be coming but I'm sure that it will. There isn't much I can do about people being upset about tickets. I wish everyone had all the tickets they want with no difficulty at all but my personal wishes won't make that happen. There's a lot of time before the shows and I just know/believe that all of this is going to be worked out and people will have what they need. Discussing tickets here is good but if someone has a personal issue with the Ten Club, they really should just write to them or phone them. The staff will be glad to help everyone they can help. I've created these threads so the issues you're concerned about can be in one place and more easily seen and I hope this helps everyone.
    Thanks Kat... I would imagine sometimes it must feel pretty crappy having your hands tied around here, it is nice to hear a personal level of concern though :)

    I promise you that even if you haven't heard it yet, there is an extreme level of concern about this. I'm sure it wasn't an easy thing to figure out what was happening and why it was happening when the ticketing procedures weren't working as they were supposed to. Then you have to figure out what to do. They pulled the plug instead of waiting to see if it would clear up so people wouldn't be more inconvenienced but they already were so it was a rock and a hard place. There were still going to be people who were extremely upset. Because of past problems they were trying hard to fix, some people don't want to give the benefit of the doubt and there we are. It's going to work out is all I know right now. It's just going to work out.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,266
    polaris_x wrote:
    benjs wrote:
    CrowdSurge? Three years of successful pre-sales and ticketing distribution for bands ranging in size - including large names like Paul McCartney, Arcade Fire, Red Hot Chili Peppers, and the Foo Fighters.

    i'm pretty sure i read prior to the sale from someone who has used crowdsurge that it wasn't going to be as everyone expected ... that person bought tickets for some band I hadn't heard of (not to say they weren't popular) and that he had issues ...
    All I can tell you is that when Macca came to Toronto at the ACC, I had no queue, and a quick, reliable purchasing experience with everything going perfectly smoothly.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,362
    What's this about Alpine being hacked? Don't remember anything about that

    That is what I took away from the statement, that because the Europe sale faced the same problems that the Alpine sale did that it must be sabotage.
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Kat wrote:

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update


    i'll take your word because i can't get past the sabotage line w/ out laughing till tears stream down


    have a good day


    and please find the person who did this b4 nyc attempts to go on sale


    Keep ur head up 10C... and fans too. I know its frustraiting, but at least they're touring for you...

    Try catching a PJ show in Alabama... I've been staring at a screen for 9 years.

    NYC, huh? What a refreshing thought... PJ on another Northeast swing.... ugh.

    20 million NE fans all bitching about their 20th show in like 5 years... sigh.

    i was joking ....i don't even attempt to buy anything through this club
    the shows are true though
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • So, what came out of the last thread? Not much from 10c. How about participiating in this all-might thread of ticketing issues.
    fat chance, the only way they'll participate is with a locked thread and possibly a posting guideline inserted
    Ryan Crooks insists upon himself
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    tenclub email: Given that Tuesday's pre-sale system failure mirrored that of the Ten Club ticketing failure earlier this year -- on entirely different systems, and unrelated to server capacity -- all involved now strongly believe that there has been an act of sabotage from an outside source that has prevented fans from executing their ticket purchases. CrowdSurge and Ten Club will conduct further investigation into this matter.

    I started to wonder this same thing after seeing all the troubles the past few days ^^^
    ...but then it started to look like a joke. I actually had to go back and look at the senders email because I thought this was a bad joke. it was indeed the 10C email. Is this serious? (i'm not being a jerk, i'm asking honestly)
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,266
    Kat wrote:
    benjs wrote:
    Kat wrote:

    I don't have information on when more information will be coming but I'm sure that it will. There isn't much I can do about people being upset about tickets. I wish everyone had all the tickets they want with no difficulty at all but my personal wishes won't make that happen. There's a lot of time before the shows and I just know/believe that all of this is going to be worked out and people will have what they need. Discussing tickets here is good but if someone has a personal issue with the Ten Club, they really should just write to them or phone them. The staff will be glad to help everyone they can help. I've created these threads so the issues you're concerned about can be in one place and more easily seen and I hope this helps everyone.
    Thanks Kat... I would imagine sometimes it must feel pretty crappy having your hands tied around here, it is nice to hear a personal level of concern though :)

    I promise you that even if you haven't heard it yet, there is an extreme level of concern about this. I'm sure it wasn't an easy thing to figure out what was happening and why it was happening when the ticketing procedures weren't working as they were supposed to. Then you have to figure out what to do. They pulled the plug instead of waiting to see if it would clear up so people wouldn't be more inconvenienced but they already were so it was a rock and a hard place. There were still going to be people who were extremely upset. Because of past problems they were trying hard to fix, some people don't want to give the benefit of the doubt and there we are. It's going to work out is all I know right now. It's just going to work out.
    Honestly, if we had all received an email from Ten Club last night verbatim of what you just said here - I feel like a lot of people here would be much happier right now. If there is an extreme level of concern about this, why a sincere message the likes of what you just wrote here could not be distributed through an official email just doesn't make sense to me.
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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    Kat wrote:
    I promise you that even if you haven't heard it yet, there is an extreme level of concern about this. I'm sure it wasn't an easy thing to figure out what was happening and why it was happening when the ticketing procedures weren't working as they were supposed to. Then you have to figure out what to do. They pulled the plug instead of waiting to see if it would clear up so people wouldn't be more inconvenienced but they already were so it was a rock and a hard place. There were still going to be people who were extremely upset. Because of past problems they were trying hard to fix, some people don't want to give the benefit of the doubt and there we are. It's going to work out is all I know right now. It's just going to work out.

    Thanks for the communication kat, maybe were starting to see improvements already

    this was the main thing that upset me, hopefully this marks a new era of openess
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,362
    benjs wrote:
    Kat wrote:

    I promise you that even if you haven't heard it yet, there is an extreme level of concern about this. I'm sure it wasn't an easy thing to figure out what was happening and why it was happening when the ticketing procedures weren't working as they were supposed to. Then you have to figure out what to do. They pulled the plug instead of waiting to see if it would clear up so people wouldn't be more inconvenienced but they already were so it was a rock and a hard place. There were still going to be people who were extremely upset. Because of past problems they were trying hard to fix, some people don't want to give the benefit of the doubt and there we are. It's going to work out is all I know right now. It's just going to work out.
    Honestly, if we had all received an email from Ten Club last night verbatim of what you just said here - I feel like a lot of people here would be much happier right now. If there is an extreme level of concern about this, why a sincere message the likes of what you just wrote here could not be distributed through an official email just doesn't make sense to me.

    100% agree with benjs. Thank you Kat for taking the time to respond in the manner that you have.
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  • TineTine Posts: 13
    P3P wrote:
    Hi,

    We want Berlin standing tickets, but they are missing from ticketing website.
    Standing area is completely missing from seating map, without any sold out notice.
    I guess that you can only buy seated tickets.

    Could anybody please explain what happened with standing tickets?
    Are they sold out?
    Were they really offered to public?

    I have found them on other websites for double the price. This is shameful since there are Tenclub members (me) without any chance to obtain tickets.

    Any information will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


    Standing tickets were sold out about 15-30 mins after the sale started at 10 am CET.
  • SpagsSpags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,054
    Kat wrote:

    I don't have information on when more information will be coming but I'm sure that it will. There isn't much I can do about people being upset about tickets. I wish everyone had all the tickets they want with no difficulty at all but my personal wishes won't make that happen. There's a lot of time before the shows and I just know/believe that all of this is going to be worked out and people will have what they need. Discussing tickets here is good but if someone has a personal issue with the Ten Club, they really should just write to them or phone them. The staff will be glad to help everyone they can help. I've created these threads so the issues you're concerned about can be in one place and more easily seen and I hope this helps everyone.

    Kat, can you add that to your first post...nice to hear something from somebody.
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  • TineTine Posts: 13
    P3P wrote:
    Hi,

    We want Berlin standing tickets, but they are missing from ticketing website.
    Standing area is completely missing from seating map, without any sold out notice.
    I guess that you can only buy seated tickets.

    Could anybody please explain what happened with standing tickets?
    Are they sold out?
    Were they really offered to public?

    I have found them on other websites for double the price. This is shameful since there are Tenclub members (me) without any chance to obtain tickets.

    Any information will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


    Standing tickets were sold out about 15-30 mins after the sale started at 10 am CET.
  • Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,331
    So, what came out of the last thread? Not much from 10c. How about participiating in this all-might thread of ticketing issues.
    fat chance, the only way they'll participate is with a locked thread and possibly a posting guideline inserted
    Actually, Kat has participated a couple of times already in this thread. I completely understand everyones frustration but why doesn't everyone just chill out a little and give the 10C some time to figure all this out? Bitching about everything and demanding a "more sincere" apology is not going to change anything. Be constructive with comments instead of just calling names and calling for people to be fired. I'm sure everyone involved on there side feels absolutely terrible about all this. It's not like they want ticket sales to fail. I'm sure they wanted it to go smoothly just like all of us. RELAX.
  • JimmyV wrote:
    benjs wrote:
    Kat wrote:

    I promise you that even if you haven't heard it yet, there is an extreme level of concern about this. I'm sure it wasn't an easy thing to figure out what was happening and why it was happening when the ticketing procedures weren't working as they were supposed to. Then you have to figure out what to do. They pulled the plug instead of waiting to see if it would clear up so people wouldn't be more inconvenienced but they already were so it was a rock and a hard place. There were still going to be people who were extremely upset. Because of past problems they were trying hard to fix, some people don't want to give the benefit of the doubt and there we are. It's going to work out is all I know right now. It's just going to work out.
    Honestly, if we had all received an email from Ten Club last night verbatim of what you just said here - I feel like a lot of people here would be much happier right now. If there is an extreme level of concern about this, why a sincere message the likes of what you just wrote here could not be distributed through an official email just doesn't make sense to me.

    100% agree with benjs. Thank you Kat for taking the time to respond in the manner that you have.
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  • Abe Froman wrote:
    So, what came out of the last thread? Not much from 10c. How about participiating in this all-might thread of ticketing issues.
    fat chance, the only way they'll participate is with a locked thread and possibly a posting guideline inserted
    Actually, Kat has participated a couple of times already in this thread. I completely understand everyones frustration but why doesn't everyone just chill out a little and give the 10C some time to figure all this out? Bitching about everything and demanding a "more sincere" apology is not going to change anything. Be constructive with comments instead of just calling names and calling for people to be fired. I'm sure everyone involved on there side feels absolutely terrible about all this. It's not like they want ticket sales to fail. I'm sure they wanted it to go smoothly just like all of us. RELAX.

    Is Kat a part of 10C though, he/she is a Mod for the message boards. No disrespect ofc.
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  • P3PP3P Posts: 4
    Tine wrote:
    P3P wrote:
    Hi,

    We want Berlin standing tickets, but they are missing from ticketing website.
    Standing area is completely missing from seating map, without any sold out notice.
    I guess that you can only buy seated tickets.

    Could anybody please explain what happened with standing tickets?
    Are they sold out?
    Were they really offered to public?

    I have found them on other websites for double the price. This is shameful since there are Tenclub members (me) without any chance to obtain tickets.

    Any information will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


    Standing tickets were sold out about 15-30 mins after the sale started at 10 am CET.

    Thanks Tine for the information.
    Great job crowdsurge guys :evil:
  • ChrisileinChrisilein Vienna/Austria Posts: 3,905
    First, i was lucky enough to score tickets for the Berlin and Amsterdam show at the crowdsurge presale! I'm not going to complain about the technical problems and the server breakdown (or whatever the problem was...) because i expected it to be like this! So far so good!
    My wife Kathi, also a TC member, tried to get tickets for Berlin too. The reason is, we want to invite my sister and her partner to come to a PJ concert for the first time. I scored my tickets with my membership, she tried to get the Berlin tickets with her membership. She had the tickets in her cart but got the message that she is not able to get them because a person in the same household already bought tickets for this show!!!???

    I emailed TC and hope to get a reply. How can it be that we pay 2 times $ 50 for our international memberships to have access to TC tickets but are not allowed to get them? Its the first time that i am really disappointed about the TC policy/service.

    today the general sale started! We could try again to get two tickets but what if we come to the venue and the TC stuff tells us that we won't get a second pair of wristbands because we are married and have the same address.

    One thing is clear: Kathi (my wife) will not renew her membership again!
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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    P3P wrote:

    Thanks Tine for the information.
    Great job crowdsurge guys :evil:


    that wasn't crowdsurge, that was either ticketmaster or tickets.de
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