Ticketing Issues #2 (Use this thread only)

KatKat Posts: 4,939
edited December 2011 in The Porch
Please use this thread for any new discussion except for the discussion about the credit card issues/overseas credit cards.

Ticketing Discussion #1 is at: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=178670

This is the thread for discussion of ticketing issues. It will help to have the discussion in one place so your comments can be seen. Any other similar threads started on this issue will be closed with a direction to this thread.

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  • So, what came out of the last thread? Not much from 10c. How about participiating in this all-might thread of ticketing issues.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,265
    I posted this on a thread which is now closed, but I'll re-post it here in case anyone cares to hear my opinion:

    Things to consider:

    -CrowdSurge has done high-demand ticket pre-sales before. I find it improbable that they could be told "we have an allocation of _ tickets for _ shows, and usually get _ people logging on within a period of _ minutes", and not know with certainty whether they can or can't handle the load

    -The same statement is posted on CrowdSurge's website, as well as Ten Club's. To me, this is independent confirmation from both parties that something unusual has happened

    -The term 'sabotage' is very juvenile, and almost immediately sounds laughable when a company 'suspects sabotage'. Especially when that company is a band's fan club. That said, the very real DDoS (distributed denial of service) attack is one where there is an attempt to make a site become unreliable (think many computers simultaneously pressing refresh - almost like an extreme and intentional version of what we see when we crash Ten Club's servers)

    -If this was a DDoS attack, this is a legal issue, and I would assume that an investigation would occur. If this is the case, would the fan club or CrowdSurge be disclosing information to the public on the matter?
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  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    So have all the other presales been sabotaged as well since all those had issues? Is the 10C going to own up to anything?
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    europe is still waiting for some type of apology
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    How does it feel to have to do the 10C's dirty work Kat?


    I wasn't trying to get tickets to these shows...but I've experienced the same stuff in the past (especially Alpine). I love the band and I love the fact that they get fan club seats available to only fan club members (usually). I also understand that demand is usually much higher than supply.

    But, the process is ridiculous. The 10C even admitted that finally after the Alpine fiasco. Promises were made. To their credit, they did try something new and I'm sure they all thought it would fix the problem. It didn't. It failed miserably. And a note talking about Sabotage (deflecting all blame) and just saying no fan club tickets will be available is more ridiculous then the failure. It's a slap in the face, the salt in the wound. Just talk to your fans like normal people. Admit your failures. I know it's embarrassing, but we all mess up. And this is a trend. Both the mess ups and the hollow statements that follow.

    I'm almost tempted to start my own band and sell millions of records. Thanks Tim. In reality, instead of being the face of the band and all things that is good about the band, the fan club has become a joke and a slap to the face of loyal fans. Treat your fans like people please. No more bullshit.
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  • fotdfotd Posts: 514
    I would recommend going back to the old 1 show request date policy. See this thread.
    viewtopic.php?f=4&t=178752
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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,904
    Better Dan wrote:
    So have all the other presales been sabotaged as well since all those had issues? Is the 10C going to own up to anything?

    Nnot all of them had issues. The high demand shows did, but I still don't recall any threads about people not getting tickets to DC, or KC, Indy, etc.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    benjs wrote:

    -The same statement is posted on CrowdSurge's website, as well as Ten Club's. To me, this is independent confirmation from both parties that something unusual has happened


    Unusual? This is the first time? ;)
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  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    Better Dan wrote:
    So have all the other presales been sabotaged as well since all those had issues? Is the 10C going to own up to anything?

    Nnot all of them had issues. The high demand shows did, but I still don't recall any threads about people not getting tickets to DC, or KC, Indy, etc.


    So were the high demand shows sabotaged? Isn't it just likely that these current issues were also caused by high demand rather than sabotage?
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  • Would I be able to transfer my Manchester 10C tickets to someone? Because I've really had enough of all this. I don't want to contribute to an organisation or a band that treats its fans so poorly and with such disregard. I've looked past a lot of the fuck-ups and changes over the years and found excuses to stick with it, but I can't do it any longer.

    Surely there is someone out there who would be far happier to have a pair of 10C tickets for Manchester than I am.
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  • Was online for presale. 4 tickets selected (Manchester, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen) in 5 mins but never got a chance to check out. Took 3 hours, result: Nil

    Oslo and Stockholm, online 20 mins ahead and put in a queue. In cart twice, credit card not suitable. Took an hour, result: Nil

    Copenghagen, online on time. In cart once, credit card not taken. 30 mins, result: Nil

    Manchester... never saw a ticket. Result: Nil

    I have seen PJ on all recent Euro tours and always scored 10C seats. Now looking at Viagogo for €200 - 250 a ticket.

    Nae best pleased but i guess that's life.
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    How does it feel to have to do the 10C's dirty work Kat?


    I wasn't trying to get tickets to these shows...but I've experienced the same stuff in the past (especially Alpine). I love the band and I love the fact that they get fan club seats available to only fan club members (usually). I also understand that demand is usually much higher than supply.

    But, the process is ridiculous. The 10C even admitted that finally after the Alpine fiasco. Promises were made. To their credit, they did try something new and I'm sure they all thought it would fix the problem. It didn't. It failed miserably. And a note talking about Sabotage (deflecting all blame) and just saying no fan club tickets will be available is more ridiculous then the failure. It's a slap in the face, the salt in the wound. Just talk to your fans like normal people. Admit your failures. I know it's embarrassing, but we all mess up. And this is a trend. Both the mess ups and the hollow statements that follow.

    I'm almost tempted to start my own band and sell millions of records. Thanks Tim. In reality, instead of being the face of the band and all things that is good about the band, the fan club has become a joke and a slap to the face of loyal fans. Treat your fans like people please. No more bullshit.

    thats news article that came out really hurt them ( imo) makes them seem like a complete joke
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,939
    europe is still waiting for some type of apology

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update
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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,904
    Better Dan wrote:
    Better Dan wrote:
    So have all the other presales been sabotaged as well since all those had issues? Is the 10C going to own up to anything?

    Nnot all of them had issues. The high demand shows did, but I still don't recall any threads about people not getting tickets to DC, or KC, Indy, etc.


    So were the high demand shows sabotaged? Isn't it just likely that these current issues were also caused by high demand rather than sabotage?

    Its possible. The buying process prior to Alpine/Europe was nowhere near as bad as it has been these last two times. But the fact is neither you or I have any real idea of what happened.
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  • Kat wrote:
    europe is still waiting for some type of apology

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update

    Which was tacked on when, exactly?

    If there was ever a definitive example of too little, too late, this is it.
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  • Better DanBetter Dan Posts: 5,684
    Kat wrote:
    europe is still waiting for some type of apology

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update

    ...which was not in the original statement.
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  • benjs wrote:
    -The term 'sabotage' is very juvenile, and almost immediately sounds laughable when a company 'suspects sabotage'. Especially when that company is a band's fan club. That said, the very real DDoS (distributed denial of service) attack is one where there is an attempt to make a site become unreliable (think many computers simultaneously pressing refresh - almost like an extreme and intentional version of what we see when we crash Ten Club's servers)

    -If this was a DDoS attack, this is a legal issue, and I would assume that an investigation would occur. If this is the case, would the fan club or CrowdSurge be disclosing information to the public on the matter?

    My thought is that a large number of us WERE pressing F5 on multiple tabs and browsers, mimicking a DDOS hack.
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    Kat wrote:
    europe is still waiting for some type of apology

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update


    i'll take your word because i can't get past the sabotage line w/ out laughing till tears stream down


    have a good day


    and please find the person who did this b4 nyc attempts to go on sale
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  • wolkenloswolkenlos Posts: 591
    edited December 2011
    Kat wrote:
    europe is still waiting for some type of apology

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update

    Which was tacked on when, exactly?

    If there was ever a definitive example of too little, too late, this is it.

    lol....feels absolutely real and wholehearted
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  • Better Dan wrote:
    Kat wrote:
    europe is still waiting for some type of apology

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update

    ...which was not in the original statement.

    "With apologies, Ten Club"

    Not happy with that Neily?? :lol:





    A true apology accepts responsibility, imo.
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  • Tboz51Tboz51 Posts: 2,808
    The best part of this country is that we have the ability to openly discuss and debate. Even in jest, it is a good thing we are able to do this.

    It is too bad the other thread was closed and we are controlled by such narrow minded and single focused mods.

    Who sabotaged the ticket site thread was funny and delightful.

    Way to go ruining others day by closing it.

    Tisk tisk tisk.

    Maybe you should shut the site down and put up your lone thoughts? Turn it into a blog.
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  • fall by the waysidefall by the wayside Jericho, VT Posts: 757
    Kat,
    How about we start a thread where someone from the 10c actually addresses some of the comments and valid concerns that have been brought up? You know, from the people who pay good money for these services in uncertain economic times, ensuring that you all have your jobs. This silence is deafening. The lack of any concern and what now looks like acrimony from the 10c towards it's loyal fans reflects poorly not only on yourselves but on Pearl Jam as well.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,650
    Better Dan wrote:
    Kat wrote:

    The current news posted has apologies from the Ten Club at http://www.pearljam.com/news/europe-201 ... ale-update

    ...which was not in the original statement.



    Seriously, that is just as bad as writing "Sincerely"......unbelievable. I find it really hard to believe that they don't know how to say I'm sorry. They are people right?
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  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    Kat,
    How about we start a thread where someone from the 10c actually addresses some of the comments and valid concerns that have been brought up? You know, from the people who pay good money for these services in uncertain economic times, ensuring that you all have your jobs. This silence is deafening. The lack of any concern and what now looks like acrimony from the 10c towards it's loyal fans reflects poorly not only on yourselves but on Pearl Jam as well.

    give it time, to give us proper and satisfactory answers they have to go through everything in depth and right real replies with real answers, all of which takes time
  • KatKat Posts: 4,939
    Kat,
    How about we start a thread where someone from the 10c actually addresses some of the comments and valid concerns that have been brought up? You know, from the people who pay good money for these services in uncertain economic times, ensuring that you all have your jobs. This silence is deafening. The lack of any concern and what now looks like acrimony from the 10c towards it's loyal fans reflects poorly not only on yourselves but on Pearl Jam as well.

    I don't have information on when more information will be coming but I'm sure that it will. There isn't much I can do about people being upset about tickets. I wish everyone had all the tickets they want with no difficulty at all but my personal wishes won't make that happen. There's a lot of time before the shows and I just know/believe that all of this is going to be worked out and people will have what they need. Discussing tickets here is good but if someone has a personal issue with the Ten Club, they really should just write to them or phone them. The staff will be glad to help everyone they can help. I've created these threads so the issues you're concerned about can be in one place and more easily seen and I hope this helps everyone.
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  • shadowcastshadowcast Posts: 2,306
    Shit happens....the question is what are you (10C) going to do to make it better. Looks like they tried to make it better using an outside source but that failed. Back to the drawing board I guess. But they did try to make it better. You cannot question that. I hope they will explain what exactly the sabotage was. Was it someone trying to a bunch of tickets? Which seems unlikey because you then have to have the man power to pick them up at will call. Or was it someone who just had a quick in to get a pair but they crashed the sight? It will be interesting to see what comes of this. I bet this becomes a news story on YAHOO. But I really believe they have our best interest at all times. I don't think the band would hire a bunch of selfish dickheads.
  • phungiphungi Posts: 641
    Kat,
    I posted this in another thread, but hope it will be read and considered:

    Regardless of whatever solution is adopted for managing ticket sales, 10c needs to beta-test any new system that is implemented with ample time to identify issues, diagnose the problems, de-bug the code, re-run beta tests, and keep doing this until all issues and bugs are identified and removed.

    We are a rabid and dedicated fan base (see: thousands of posts in several ongoing threads on ticket issues in only 2 days) and we will show up in the 10,000s to hammer away at any mock-sale or dry run of a new ticket system.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,265
    Kat wrote:
    Kat,
    How about we start a thread where someone from the 10c actually addresses some of the comments and valid concerns that have been brought up? You know, from the people who pay good money for these services in uncertain economic times, ensuring that you all have your jobs. This silence is deafening. The lack of any concern and what now looks like acrimony from the 10c towards it's loyal fans reflects poorly not only on yourselves but on Pearl Jam as well.

    I don't have information on when more information will be coming but I'm sure that it will. There isn't much I can do about people being upset about tickets. I wish everyone had all the tickets they want with no difficulty at all but my personal wishes won't make that happen. There's a lot of time before the shows and I just know/believe that all of this is going to be worked out and people will have what they need. Discussing tickets here is good but if someone has a personal issue with the Ten Club, they really should just write to them or phone them. The staff will be glad to help everyone they can help. I've created these threads so the issues you're concerned about can be in one place and more easily seen and I hope this helps everyone.
    Thanks Kat... I would imagine sometimes it must feel pretty crappy having your hands tied around here, it is nice to hear a personal level of concern though :)
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Kat wrote:
    I don't have information on when more information will be coming but I'm sure that it will. There isn't much I can do about people being upset about tickets. I wish everyone had all the tickets they want with no difficulty at all but my personal wishes won't make that happen. There's a lot of time before the shows and I just know/believe that all of this is going to be worked out and people will have what they need. Discussing tickets here is good but if someone has a personal issue with the Ten Club, they really should just write to them or phone them. The staff will be glad to help everyone they can help. I've created these threads so the issues you're concerned about can be in one place and more easily seen and I hope this helps everyone.

    i think more of this is what most people are asking for ...
  • shadowcast wrote:
    Shit happens....
    How many times is it Ok for this shit to happen. When other fanclubs don't have these problems?
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