BIN LADEN IS DEAD

SatansFuton wrote:

Thank goodness somebody logs in every 5 minutes to tell us stupid Americans that there is still going to be terrorism now that bin Laden is dead. One thing that some of you people should think about is what causes all your hostility towards Americans, and makes you feel like YOU and YOU alone need to tell us what we already know. I think a lot of these posts are more telling about the chips some individuals around here have on their shoulders, as valid as some of your points may be.

And let me ask you something, let's say there are some Americans who think that the world will now be a rosier place that bin Laden is dead, why is it up to you to take the piss out of them? A lot of these posts really have nothing to do with whether or not going after bin Laden was right or wrong, or anything like that, it's just seems like you're trying to make sure that Americans don't feel any sense of victory over it.

unfortunately, it's not just YOUR victory, nor is it just YOUR danger. It's all of us, friend. and the reason people are making the point that this is not the end of terrorism, is because american politicians (and citizens) can sometimes put the cart before the horse, and claim mission accomplished when it has no business being claimed. the white house scene last night looked as if the war had been declared over. I'm actually impressed that most of the influential politicians are making sure to say "it's not over". It's some asses in the media that are speculating the end of the war.

he was no hitler whose ideology got defeated along with him. he was dangerous. and now he's exponentially more dangerous now that he will be cast as a deity.

we're speaking as friends, as neighbors, just to say "hey good for you, but don't let your guard down".

i still do not see it as a victory :?

what did we win? if the objective was to kill bin laden then we accomplished that. but if the "war on terror" is truely being fought to eliminate terrorism, which is a tactic, by the way, then we have a long way to go...

when the unibomber was arrested nobody claimed it as a "victory"...

Paul David wrote:

SatansFuton wrote:

Thank goodness somebody logs in every 5 minutes to tell us stupid Americans that there is still going to be terrorism now that bin Laden is dead. One thing that some of you people should think about is what causes all your hostility towards Americans, and makes you feel like YOU and YOU alone need to tell us what we already know. I think a lot of these posts are more telling about the chips some individuals around here have on their shoulders, as valid as some of your points may be.

And let me ask you something, let's say there are some Americans who think that the world will now be a rosier place that bin Laden is dead, why is it up to you to take the piss out of them? A lot of these posts really have nothing to do with whether or not going after bin Laden was right or wrong, or anything like that, it's just seems like you're trying to make sure that Americans don't feel any sense of victory over it.

unfortunately, it's not just YOUR victory, nor is it just YOUR danger. It's all of us, friend. and the reason people are making the point that this is not the end of terrorism, is because american politicians (and citizens) can sometimes put the cart before the horse, and claim mission accomplished when it has no business being claimed. the white house scene last night looked as if the war had been declared over. I'm actually impressed that most of the influential politicians are making sure to say "it's not over". It's some asses in the media that are speculating the end of the war.

he was no hitler whose ideology got defeated along with him. he was dangerous. and now he's exponentially more dangerous now that he will be cast as a deity.

we're speaking as friends, as neighbors, just to say "hey good for you, but don't let your guard down".

Well some of the posts haven't been friendly, I wasn't referring to stuff like you are talking about that Paul. I'm talking about the ones saying that the stupid Americans living in their bubble need to realize that nothing is over, etc. Personally I didn't hear anybody in the media saying it was over, because the fact that there may be reprisals and the fearmongering that the media loves so much was too good to pass up. I didn't see 2 minutes go by on any story talking about bin Laden that didn't make it abundantly clear that they are going to want revenge.

And my point is this is just an internet message board, the world isn't going to end if somebody on here feels some sort of victory over this. After all this is a complicated issue, and people have complicated feelings about it. There is no one right or wrong way they should be feeling. And I'm just saying, if somebody does feel like "hey we won something", it's not anybody's job to take that away, or change their mind. I wasn't saying it is a victory, but I'm saying that if somebody feels that way, it's valid.

Any victory, when you think about it can be made insignificant. Let's say somebody's country wins the World Cup or a gold medal or something, and they feel good about that, then I come along and say, yeah well you're president/prime minister/whatever is a dickhead, your economy is in the gutter, you have homeless people and etc, so your victory means nothing. Isn't that kind of douchy of me to do? If somebody feels like stopping bin Laden is a good thing (that's their opinion, sense of victory) I don't feel the need to take the piss out of them.

Or on something more topical, let's say they announce PJ20 tomorrow and it sounds amazing, and people are excited. Then I swoop in and criticize people for caring about a rock concert when there are wars, natural disasters, starvation, etc in the world, and all you can think about is a rock concert. That would be lame.

Those are just examples mind you, but the same mindset is taking place. And the funny thing is, I don't really see a lot of people who are concerned with whether it was right or wrong to kill him, and in reality I think most people realize there wasn't a lot of choice in the matter, it's more an attitude of we have to take the piss out of them for even thinking they accomplished something.

how can you POSSIBLY give an "eyeroll", "sick" and "thumbsdown" to this???? WTF???[/quote]

The guy's name is "metsfan", probably from the NY area, and people are going get on him for being happy about Bin Laden being killed? Seriously? This has to be explained?
Why is it so hard for you people to understand that people like myself and metsfan are happy that the self confessed mass murderer/terrorist/scumbag is dead? Yeah there's still going to be terrorism, we get that. But there's one less "mastermind' behind it. This animal that hurt so many innocent lives won't kill anybody ever again. This is bad to you? This is a moral victory. A morale booster. And we'll celebrate. So if this annoys you, that sucks for you.
I love peace as much as the next guy, but seriously, all you people that are calling us out for being happy about it are hypocrites. I'd like to see you guys go hug a suicide bomber and see where that love gets you.

I found this quote on Time pretty cool: "Bin Laden had religious zeal that we don't have; America has a national spirit, and we don't have that either."
* A CHINESE ONLINE COMMENTATOR,
* writing on Weibo, China's most popular microblogging site, while watching Americans celebrate the death of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden

Maybe you're lacking national spirit? We're not.[/quote]

Maybe my national spirit uses more of my frontal lobe.

when do we get to see this?

http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/- ... eath-live/

It was from the White House that US president Barack Obama watched his highly skilled operatives enter Osama bin Laden's Pakistan compound and shoot dead the terrorist leader.

Flagged by key staff in vice president Joe Biden and US secretary of state Hillary Clinton, Mr Obama watched through a video camera attached to the helmet of a Navy Seal as bin Laden was shot in the left eye.

elevation622 wrote:

The guy's name is "metsfan", probably from the NY area, and people are going get on him for being happy about Bin Laden being killed? Seriously? This has to be explained?
Why is it so hard for you people to understand that people like myself and metsfan are happy that the self confessed mass murderer/terrorist/scumbag is dead? Yeah there's still going to be terrorism, we get that. But there's one less "mastermind' behind it. This animal that hurt so many innocent lives won't kill anybody ever again. This is bad to you? This is a moral victory. A morale booster. And we'll celebrate. So if this annoys you, that sucks for you.

I understand why people are happy that he's gone, but will this celabratory mood continue when we hear from the victim's families of the inevitable retaliatory terrorist attack?

I watched a lot of news coverage of bin Laden's death yesterday, including interviews with relatives of those killed on 9/11, and there was a stark contrast between their sombre contemplation and the mass hysteria going on in Times Square. Sure bin Laden's death is a symbolic moment, but in reality it will just add fuel to the fire.

elevation622 wrote:

I love peace as much as the next guy, but seriously, all you people that are calling us out for being happy about it are hypocrites. I'd like to see you guys go hug a suicide bomber and see where that love gets you.

Well that's a very black and white view to take - I'm not exactly crying tears for him. To me the celebrating in the streets immediately brought back memories of those Palestinians dancing in the street after 9/11 - crass and uncalled for.

Godfather. wrote:

we can celebrate the lives that will be saved because this man is dead.
we can celebrate a feeling of security even if it's just a little, a little more than we had after 9/11
we can remember what we lost in our own country from the actions of this man and his followers.
we can remember our friends who were taken from us and the hero's that died trying to save them.
we can remember the lives that are forever changed because of the attacks on 9/11
we can cry tears of pain and tears of joy while we remember all these things and people.

how can we celebrate the death of a sick mind that caused so much pain distruction ?
maybe we are celebrating the death of an evil man and his actions and maybe we are
celebrating justice being delt but in any case bin laden is dead,think I'll have a drink.

Godfather.

I think it's more to do with the manner in which it was 'celebrated'. What should have been a sombre rememberence of all people who died and suffered under this man's terror and his legacy looked more like spring break then anything else. I have been reading comments made by the victims families who wanted to attend Ground Zero to light a candle or bring a picture of their dead husband/wife/loved one to quietly reflect on the past ten years but instead they got something like a street party with signs reading 'Obama 1 - Osama 0' football chants of 'USA-USA' and yes even a girl climbed a street post and lifted up her shirt :roll:

Dignity is what was missing from these 'celebrations'.

Digital Twilight wrote:

I think it's more to do with the manner in which it was 'celebrated'. What should have been a sombre rememberence of all people who died and suffered under this man's terror and his legacy looked more like spring break then anything else.

I tend to agree with you here. But then, who are we to decide how others get to show their emotion in this case? Not to mention, I think the majority of people didn't celebrate in a poor manner. I just think we always talk about the 10%.

Byrnzie wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I'm not really sure how anyone can be this negative about this situation.

I don't detect any negaitivity in his post, just honesty.

to be fair ... it's a little bit of both ... i'm not a big fan of the jingoism that presides in the US ... but yeah - i think the people that are chanting are losing sight that this war on terrorism has two sides and neither of them are good ...