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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    my conservative friend last nite said he wished there was a none-of-the-above option so we can see just how many people are dissatisfied with the political landscape ...
  • bytterman
    bytterman Posts: 136
    polaris_x wrote:
    my conservative friend last nite said he wished there was a none-of-the-above option so we can see just how many people are dissatisfied with the political landscape ...

    Belgium has not had a central government for something like 18 months, but life has gone on just fine apparently. It's possible that it would be noticed only by the Ottawa press corps.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    my conservative friend last nite said he wished there was a none-of-the-above option so we can see just how many people are dissatisfied with the political landscape ...

    agree...up until I saw Layton on global I might have chosen that option...now I mark an X for my NDP candidate...we need to try something different.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    agree...up until I saw Layton on global I might have chosen that option...now I mark an X for my NDP candidate...we need to try something different.

    really ... this latest surge is all because of the negative attack ads the cons and libs are running ... a lot of people see right through that ...

    i wasn't sure what you were referring to so i went to the global site and saw the interview he did with one of the anchors ... she came at him pretty good and he stayed pretty calm and firm ... he definitely has shown an uncanny ability to be passionate and reserved when needed ...

    we shall see monday night i suppose ... anything but a harper majority ...
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    BTW, have you guys seen this: http://www.vintagevoter.ca/
    Not sure if I posted it before or not.
    Duceppe was very Bob Dylan... and Harper still looks like a child rapist.
    lol
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Wow look at this surge! Liberals and the BQ (thank whatever for that) look to be headed towards an epic fail.

    http://hilltimes.com/dailyupdate/view/g ... 04-27-2011

    Now I take aim at Harper's fear mongering over the coalition, Mr.Harper should also realize that sometimes that is how our Parliamentary system works. He has deceived so many Canadians to think that a coalition is against the public mandate. Really Mr. Harper? If you receive only 34% of the projected popular vote and the remaining parties together which let's see adds up to 66% that goes against the mandate...no way Stevo!

    This is what bugs me with him so many Canadians now think a Coalition is equivalent to some illegal deal. Funny considering Harper was going to crate one when Mr.Martin was in power. Stevo is dropping the ball hard right now about these coalition talks...THEY ARE BACK-FIRING YOU MORON....obviously the people are not buying it. He better change his strategy before it is too late but I can guarantee you he has ignored any planning to attack the NDP and frankly it is too late.

    Big question is will the patented NDP pre election numbers hold, never have they ever been this high. I hope they hold and Jack becomes the offical minority leader. Amazing campaign so far from Jack and as a future small business owner I hope he keeps his word on small business tax cuts!

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/decis ... story.html

    My NHL rule is ABC (Anyone but Calgary) or for this year's play-offs ABV (Anyone but Vancouver) but for this election anything but a Conservative majority. Minus the frequent elections I like the way the minority government has worked out and I think next time they will all play nice.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    polaris_x wrote:
    my conservative friend last nite said he wished there was a none-of-the-above option so we can see just how many people are dissatisfied with the political landscape ...

    Said that to my future wife as well and she agreed that it would really show them what people acutally think.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    i love it when the libs call me and i can tell them that i have never voted liberal nor do i plan to ... especially, until you guys deal with your entitlement issues ... hahaha
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955

    My NHL rule is ABC (Anyone but Calgary) or for this year's play-offs ABV (Anyone but Vancouver) .
    Hey hey heyyy... watch ya'self.
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    edited April 2011
    Combative Ignatieff says Tories can 'go to hell'


    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/poli ... -hell?bn=1

    Iggy is losing it... :lol::lol::lol:
    Post edited by lukin2006 on
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    bytterman wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    I don't see what we got to loose...I really don't...the liberals and conservatives have been running the show forever and it seems that the only people who really benefit are the people who don't need the help and the folks who could use a hand or a pick me up in life continually get screwed.

    Radwanski asks this question on the G&M site...

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/does-ndp-pose-more-of-a-threat-to-national-unity-than-the-bloc/article2000284/singlepage/#articlecontent
    Globe and Mail Update, Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:57AM EDT


    Not sure I agree entirely with his analysis but I definitely cringed when Layton used the phrase 'winning conditions'. At the risk of sounding over-dramatic perhaps this is what we have to lose?

    That's one area I don't pay much attention to...I doubt Quebec will ever separate...Wish I could comment more...just no very informed on that subject.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I don't see what we got to loose...I really don't...the liberals and conservatives have been running the show forever and it seems that the only people who really benefit are the people who don't need the help and the folks who could use a hand or a pick me up in life continually get screwed.

    I'll give an example...I know this couple who have young kids making good wages and was receiving the 100 *2 a month from the Harper childcare money, they needed the money like I needed another hole in the head...now tell me how that helps the single mother or father who has to get childcare in order to work. Harper is using tax $$$$ to buy votes...stuff like childcare should go to people who can't afford it

    I am on the fence with the Universal Child Tax Benefit, as obviously now with my son we benefit with a $100 cheque/month until he turns 6. Do I think we need the money, no I do not. However at least it is something to famailies that does not prejudice based upon any sort of income, wage, race, etc.

    BUT I can see how some well off people do not need it and people could not use the money on their child, just as I think a lot of people do not deserve EI because they are either lazy (and yes there are people like that, not as many as some right leaning people will say but they exist) or people taking advantage of our disability programs (which I of have heard a lot of). Actually pisses me right off seeing people abuse a system that is there to help us if we fall, but I would never advocate cutting the net which would allow more real honest people to suffer than fraudulent claims.

    At least with the UCB it actually helps the family, is it vote buying, maybe but what isn't vote buying? A $100/month is not going to keep you at home to raise a child and the price of childcare is very high (which it should be for qualified people)

    The Liberals promise post secondary education breaks (vote buying I guess), the NDP will offer small business tax breaks (vote-buying). Everything is vote buying that is a simple fact, that is what elections produce. The only thing you wait on is if they keep their word.

    I guess I would like to see the people who could really use the help get the help...I think we have a great country, but unfortunately many people are getting left behind.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    agree...up until I saw Layton on global I might have chosen that option...now I mark an X for my NDP candidate...we need to try something different.

    really ... this latest surge is all because of the negative attack ads the cons and libs are running ... a lot of people see right through that ...

    i wasn't sure what you were referring to so i went to the global site and saw the interview he did with one of the anchors ... she came at him pretty good and he stayed pretty calm and firm ... he definitely has shown an uncanny ability to be passionate and reserved when needed ...

    we shall see monday night i suppose ... anything but a harper majority ...

    That was the one I was referring...he handled the interview well...imo...he's talking about the issue's...that in itself is what need.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    lukin2006 wrote:
    That was the one I was referring...he handled the interview well...imo...he's talking about the issue's...that in itself is what need.

    his counter-attack of ... i will attack unemployment and the working class, i will attack the child care issue, etc ... is pretty brilliant ... not launching negative attack ads has proven to be in his benefit for sure ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    in case anyone needs reminding ... from the star ... ;)

    • Harper is the first prime minister in our history to have been found in contempt of Parliament, to have failed to get Canada elected to the UN Security Council, and to have been our most profligate PM ever (record $40 billion deficit and a record $519 billion debt).

    • He has broken a string of promises. He flip-flopped on Afghanistan. He decried the appointed Senate but made a record number of appointments to it and had it overturn the will of the elected Commons. He deplored patronage but stuffed federal bodies with partisans. He passed the Federal Accountability Act, only to squash disclosure and transparency. He opposed taxing income tax trusts, only to tax them. He passed a law on fixed election dates, only to break it.

    • He has been an autocratic leader given to compulsive control (meddling in every aspect of the administration, from cabinet to the civil service and independent agencies), excessive secrecy (to the point of rendering Canada’s excellent diplomats mute), vindictive rule (firing a dozen senior mandarins and cutting off funding to 25 groups for not toeing the line).

    • He used the treasury for partisan purposes, funnelling funds into ridings and groups to help his party.

    • He defended ministers who tampered with documents, attacked federal judges and meddled in independent agencies.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    haffajappa wrote:

    My NHL rule is ABC (Anyone but Calgary) or for this year's play-offs ABV (Anyone but Vancouver) .
    Hey hey heyyy... watch ya'self.

    I would rather choke on my own vomit then cheer for Vancouver.... :D.

    In all seriousness I am an Oilers fan first and will never cheer for a rival. Yeah my team sucks right now (actually let me correct that, really sucks right now).

    I also never buy into this cheer for Canada bull-shit, considering both the Hawks/Preds have more Canadians than the Canucks.

    Anyway good luck to your team, hope you lose and you guys think of something even more lame to hang in your rafters next year...keep it going to 41!

    :D
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Back to politics here is what I hope happens (that is realistic) that will cause a ripple in the parties:

    - Conservative Minority Goverment with the NDP as official opposition and significantly weaker BQ party.

    I believe this would force Harper to set down and bring forth a true moderate into the healm of the party and maybe get the "progressive" going again. The Liberals will obviously need to find a new leader as Ignatieff runs back to Harvard. Jack will stay on riding a sea of success by completing a monumental first not only for his party but in federal politics.

    There is MIGHTY concern here in Calgary of any sort of government where Layton has some sort of influence because most think they will need new jobs in months following as Jack destroys the O&G industry (or other-wise known as NEP Part 2).

    I also see the Globe & Mail has officially endorsed Stephen Harper.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    I also see the Globe & Mail has officially endorsed Stephen Harper.

    i read that endorsement ... which was nauseating ... they highlight the need to tackle climate change and then in the same article pick stephen harper ... and have the nerve to credit the state of canada's economy to him!?? ... the reality is that he has been kept moderate simply because he is in a minority situation ...

    anyone who glosses over the points i posted above isn't truly interested in a democratic leader but in essence supporting a fascist ..

    edit: read the comments below the endorsement ... :thumbup:
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    polaris_x wrote:
    I also see the Globe & Mail has officially endorsed Stephen Harper.

    i read that endorsement ... which was nauseating ... they highlight the need to tackle climate change and then in the same article pick stephen harper ... and have the nerve to credit the state of canada's economy to him!?? ... the reality is that he has been kept moderate simply because he is in a minority situation ...

    anyone who glosses over the points i posted above isn't truly interested in a democratic leader but in essence supporting a fascist ..

    edit: read the comments below the endorsement ... :thumbup:

    That comments section is the exact opposite of what I read in regards to the NDP surge here in the Calgary media.

    This is how I see it both groups are over-reacting and the reality of the situation of what will happen is in the middle.

    Regardless this is going to be a Conservative minority and I hope leads to a change at their helm because a truely moderate Conservative leader which I think would be good.

    Not all the CP members are awful people, I was watching Real Time a few months ago when ex CP MP Kim Campbell was on and there was a discussion in regards to the extension of tax cuts for the wealthy in the USA. When she had her time to speak she told a story of discussing this issue with Finace Minister Flaherty and he was just blown away that the government would do that, how he said that is the most moronic thing you could do especially given their economic situation. I actually like Flaherty for some reason, cannot explain it but he is not a nut-bar like the old Reformists from here in the west.

    I still maintain the Conservatives here are no more than Democrats in the USA.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Not all the CP members are awful people, I was watching Real Time a few months ago when ex CP MP Kim Campbell was on and there was a discussion in regards to the extension of tax cuts for the wealthy in the USA. When she had her time to speak she told a story of discussing this issue with Finace Minister Flaherty and he was just blown away that the government would do that, how he said that is the most moronic thing you could do especially given their economic situation. I actually like Flaherty for some reason, cannot explain it but he is not a nut-bar like the old Reformists from here in the west.

    I still maintain the Conservatives here are no more than Democrats in the USA.

    flaherty is a crook ... he was key in the harris debacle here in ontario where they basically raped the province for all its worth for their friends ... which is what they are doing now ...

    i don't actually think conservatives are awful people ... i just don't believe in their ideology which is very right wing ... in line with george w. bush ... their stance on israel is a key example ...

    having said that - layton would be bad for the oil and gas industry in alberta ... they have definitely a right to be concerned ... but having said that - they are a big problem for canada and someone has to take them on as opposed to making it better for them ...