Um, Are We About To Be In A Third War?

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    GET YOUR WAR ON!


    it's started...

    more indiscriminate death raining down from above....

    i'm so sick of this shit.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Just what the world needs is another war. 112 cruise missiles fired...so senseless.
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  • Newch91
    Newch91 Posts: 17,560
    No US troops on Libyan soil.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    Newch91 wrote:
    No US troops on Libyan soil.
    do you really believe obama?

    i don't.

    when is the last time a military plan of ours actually went as planned and had a quick and easy conclusion and achieved the desired outcome?
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Newch91 wrote:
    No US troops on Libyan soil.
    do you really believe obama?

    i don't.

    when is the last time a military plan of ours actually went as planned and had a quick and easy conclusion and achieved the desired outcome?
    Kosovo?

    They are going to achieve their desired outcome in the matter of hours, and that is creating a no fly zone so this asshat can stop attacking his own country from the air.


    We don't need ground troops to establish a no fly zone.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Newch91 wrote:
    No US troops on Libyan soil.

    The last 2 times no fly zones were enacted they resulted into ground troops and lengthy interventions.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    No US troops on Libyan soil.

    The last 2 times no fly zones were enacted they resulted into ground troops and lengthy interventions.
    Thats because the first stage in an invasion is establishing a no fly zone. It has to be done before ground troops can enter. Think about it.

    We are doing the right thing this time. I was very much against attacking Iraq.


    We won't need ground troops because the general population is going to take things under control, and they've been trying. With Iraq, there was much less antigovernment resistance. We didn't attack Iraq during a civil war. We attacked because we were made to think they had WMDs..

    Its going to be like Egypt in a few months. This will be over swiftly.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Newch91 wrote:
    No US troops on Libyan soil.

    The last 2 times no fly zones were enacted they resulted into ground troops and lengthy interventions.
    Thats because the first stage in an invasion is establishing a no fly zone. It has to be done before ground troops can enter. Think about it.

    We are doing the right thing this time. I was very much against attacking Iraq.


    We won't need ground troops because the general population is going to take things under control, and they've been trying.

    I think originally most people were under the impression that Iraq's wanted you there, until you were there. If they send in ground troops it will be the same results a long protracted war,.
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  • tremors
    tremors Posts: 8,051
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Just what the world needs is another war. 112 cruise missiles fired...so senseless.

    How is it senseless to respond to requests from inside Libya and across the Arab world to prevent Gadaffi massacring his second city, which he was right on the verge of doing today? Actually, this isn't really an American led war at all, it's a British and French one, with a completely different set of elements to either Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Gadaffi is trying to crush a popular uprising, which would have absolutely no chance of staying alive without external air power.

    The language of oil-hungry crusaders is the propaganda currently coming from Gadaffi's bunch - so if people want to be singing from the same hymn sheet as Libyan propaganda then carry on. But this is actually a rare example of the United Nations supporting a popular revolution, in order to prevent senseless bloodshed if you ask me. It's a defensive intervention rather than an offensive one.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    tremors wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Just what the world needs is another war. 112 cruise missiles fired...so senseless.

    How is it senseless to respond to requests from inside Libya and across the Arab world to prevent Gadaffi massacring his second city, which he was right on the verge of doing today? Actually, this isn't really an American led war at all, it's a British and French one, with a completely different set of elements to either Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Gadaffi is trying to crush a popular uprising, which would have absolutely no chance of staying alive without external air power.

    The language of oil-hungry crusaders is the propaganda currently coming from Gadaffi's bunch - so if people want to be singing from the same hymn sheet as Libyan propaganda then carry on. But this is actually a rare example of the United Nations supporting a popular revolution, in order to prevent senseless bloodshed if you ask me. It's a defensive intervention rather than an offensive one.
    I agree with you 200%

    I am usually anti-war and was very much against attacking Iraq. I don't see how people think this is bad. This is going to be over quickly. I'll be very surprised otherwise.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    tremors wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Just what the world needs is another war. 112 cruise missiles fired...so senseless.

    How is it senseless to respond to requests from inside Libya and across the Arab world to prevent Gadaffi massacring his second city, which he was right on the verge of doing today? Actually, this isn't really an American led war at all, it's a British and French one, with a completely different set of elements to either Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Gadaffi is trying to crush a popular uprising, which would have absolutely no chance of staying alive without external air power.

    The language of oil-hungry crusaders is the propaganda currently coming from Gadaffi's bunch - so if people want to be singing from the same hymn sheet as Libyan propaganda then carry on. But this is actually a rare example of the United Nations supporting a popular revolution, in order to prevent senseless bloodshed if you ask me. It's a defensive intervention rather than an offensive one.

    Here's an idea, let the Arab countries deal with him then. The US is the major player here, there trying to come across differently, but they are the major player and at the end of the day who's military might will be used most, the US!!!
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    lukin2006 wrote:
    tremors wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Just what the world needs is another war. 112 cruise missiles fired...so senseless.

    How is it senseless to respond to requests from inside Libya and across the Arab world to prevent Gadaffi massacring his second city, which he was right on the verge of doing today? Actually, this isn't really an American led war at all, it's a British and French one, with a completely different set of elements to either Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Gadaffi is trying to crush a popular uprising, which would have absolutely no chance of staying alive without external air power.

    The language of oil-hungry crusaders is the propaganda currently coming from Gadaffi's bunch - so if people want to be singing from the same hymn sheet as Libyan propaganda then carry on. But this is actually a rare example of the United Nations supporting a popular revolution, in order to prevent senseless bloodshed if you ask me. It's a defensive intervention rather than an offensive one.



    Here's an idea, let the Arab countries deal with him then. The US is the major player here, there trying to come across differently, but they are the major player and at the end of the day who's military might will be used most, the US!!!
    That's your assumption. You are assuming we are going to be the key player.. We can all stand corrected in coming months.
  • tremors
    tremors Posts: 8,051
    lukin2006 wrote:
    tremors wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Just what the world needs is another war. 112 cruise missiles fired...so senseless.

    How is it senseless to respond to requests from inside Libya and across the Arab world to prevent Gadaffi massacring his second city, which he was right on the verge of doing today? Actually, this isn't really an American led war at all, it's a British and French one, with a completely different set of elements to either Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Gadaffi is trying to crush a popular uprising, which would have absolutely no chance of staying alive without external air power.

    The language of oil-hungry crusaders is the propaganda currently coming from Gadaffi's bunch - so if people want to be singing from the same hymn sheet as Libyan propaganda then carry on. But this is actually a rare example of the United Nations supporting a popular revolution, in order to prevent senseless bloodshed if you ask me. It's a defensive intervention rather than an offensive one.

    Here's an idea, let the Arab countries deal with him then. The US is the major player here, there trying to come across differently, but they are the major player and at the end of the day who's military might will be used most, the US!!!


    I bet you 10 dollars that as soon as the US have used their Cruise missiles ('Unique Capabilities' that your government are referring to) to establish the no fly zone, the bulk of the Military engagement will be done by Britain, France and the Arab League, with the USA just providing the hi tech support. Control of the operation will pass to Britain and France in a matter of days. It's British and French planes that are right now buzzing over Libya, and they will be committed the most. Obama really doesn't need to be involved in a war, and seems to have little appetite for it - whereas Cameron and Sarkozy (British and French Prime Ministers) are the ones who have been pressing for this for some weeks.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    lukin2006 wrote:
    tremors wrote:

    How is it senseless to respond to requests from inside Libya and across the Arab world to prevent Gadaffi massacring his second city, which he was right on the verge of doing today? Actually, this isn't really an American led war at all, it's a British and French one, with a completely different set of elements to either Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Gadaffi is trying to crush a popular uprising, which would have absolutely no chance of staying alive without external air power.

    The language of oil-hungry crusaders is the propaganda currently coming from Gadaffi's bunch - so if people want to be singing from the same hymn sheet as Libyan propaganda then carry on. But this is actually a rare example of the United Nations supporting a popular revolution, in order to prevent senseless bloodshed if you ask me. It's a defensive intervention rather than an offensive one.



    Here's an idea, let the Arab countries deal with him then. The US is the major player here, there trying to come across differently, but they are the major player and at the end of the day who's military might will be used most, the US!!!
    That's your assumption. You are assuming we are going to be the key player.. We can all stand corrected in coming months.

    Shit the US has already fired 112 cruise missiles in day 1, they are already the most important player.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    tremors wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:
    tremors wrote:

    How is it senseless to respond to requests from inside Libya and across the Arab world to prevent Gadaffi massacring his second city, which he was right on the verge of doing today? Actually, this isn't really an American led war at all, it's a British and French one, with a completely different set of elements to either Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Gadaffi is trying to crush a popular uprising, which would have absolutely no chance of staying alive without external air power.

    The language of oil-hungry crusaders is the propaganda currently coming from Gadaffi's bunch - so if people want to be singing from the same hymn sheet as Libyan propaganda then carry on. But this is actually a rare example of the United Nations supporting a popular revolution, in order to prevent senseless bloodshed if you ask me. It's a defensive intervention rather than an offensive one.

    Here's an idea, let the Arab countries deal with him then. The US is the major player here, there trying to come across differently, but they are the major player and at the end of the day who's military might will be used most, the US!!!


    I bet you 10 dollars that as soon as the US have used their Cruise missiles ('Unique Capabilities' that your government are referring to) to establish the no fly zone, the bulk of the Military engagement will be done by Britain, France and the Arab League, with the USA just providing the hi tech support. Control of the operation will pass to Britain and France in a matter of days. It's British and French planes that are right now buzzing over Libya, and they will be committed the most. Obama really doesn't need to be involved in a war, and seems to have little appetite for it - whereas Cameron and Sarkozy (British and French Prime Ministers) are the ones who have been pressing for this for some weeks.

    ...and if those cruise missiles miss their targets and kill innocent people, then the US will take the brunt of the blame and the people of lebanon will turn against them as well.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • tremors
    tremors Posts: 8,051
    lukin2006 wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:



    Here's an idea, let the Arab countries deal with him then. The US is the major player here, there trying to come across differently, but they are the major player and at the end of the day who's military might will be used most, the US!!!
    That's your assumption. You are assuming we are going to be the key player.. We can all stand corrected in coming months.

    Shit the US has already fired 112 cruise missiles in day 1, they are already the most important player.


    They are the most important player at the beginning, because they are the only ones with the capability to properly establish the No Fly Zone from a distance. Anyway, wait and see - but I'm pretty certain the US will be taking a back seat in a matter of days.
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  • LikeAnOcean
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    lukin2006 wrote:

    Shit the US has already fired 112 cruise missiles in day 1, they are already the most important player.
    The UN is using our advanced missile system in the first stages to cripple the air defense. That has been stated. That is our part. Relax.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    lukin2006 wrote:
    tremors wrote:
    lukin2006 wrote:

    Here's an idea, let the Arab countries deal with him then. The US is the major player here, there trying to come across differently, but they are the major player and at the end of the day who's military might will be used most, the US!!!


    I bet you 10 dollars that as soon as the US have used their Cruise missiles ('Unique Capabilities' that your government are referring to) to establish the no fly zone, the bulk of the Military engagement will be done by Britain, France and the Arab League, with the USA just providing the hi tech support. Control of the operation will pass to Britain and France in a matter of days. It's British and French planes that are right now buzzing over Libya, and they will be committed the most. Obama really doesn't need to be involved in a war, and seems to have little appetite for it - whereas Cameron and Sarkozy (British and French Prime Ministers) are the ones who have been pressing for this for some weeks.

    ...and if those cruise missiles miss their targets and kill innocent people, then the US will take the brunt of the blame and the people of lebanon will turn against them as well.

    Why not let the Arab's deal with him? And the west keep their nose out of it?
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    lukin2006 wrote:

    Why not let the Arab's deal with him? And the west keep their nose out of it?
    Because we all have something in common. We are humans. What qualifies another Arabian country to handle this above anyone else? Skin color? Religion??