I hate to say that Ed is a hypocrite, but...

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  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    Why does everyone assume I'm conservative? Hell, did I say anything conservative here? Sheesh.

    Anyway, I call people "sheep" because they were right there agreeing with him when he made a comment about SUV drivers (who are obviously trying to deal with the issues of modern society as well) yet what he was doing looked about 1000x worse than that, and he gets every excuse for it.

    obvioulsy you are. you agree with Bush.


    baaaahhhhh
  • JeffAment's-Floor
    JeffAment's-Floor Posts: 88
    Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:
    I see what you are saying but the fact that you can't think of a reason doesnt mean it doesnt exist...

    My argument is (in my opinion logical) this band goes to great lengths to try and offset their damage to the environment and as many of us including Kat have pointed out they have taken measures to make sure that what they do when touring affects the environment the least possible.....
    if this is their frame of mind, you really really think that Ed would run those buses if he didn't absolutely need to? If he runs them all that time is because he has to, the fact that you and I don't know the reason behind it means nothing.

    I hear you and I'm not trying to be the villain here. I would just love to hear what the reason is that's all. There just doesn't seem to be a completely unavoidable reason in my head so that's why I pointed this out to begin with.

    And is it a fact that it is running on biodiesel or is that just speculation?
  • JeffAment's-Floor
    JeffAment's-Floor Posts: 88
    Smellyman wrote:
    obvioulsy you are. you agree with Bush.


    baaaahhhhh

    Who agreed with Bush?
  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:

    And is it a fact that it is running on biodiesel or is that just speculation?


    "Posted by Kat (and a couple of more people yesterday night) http://www.pearljam.com/activism/carbon.php

    2006 - This year we expanded their program to encompass a broader range of clean air solutions. In addition to the Carbon Portfolio Strategy, we are working to offset carbon emissions from their 2006 US tour by using B100 - pure bio-diesel - in all production trucks and in our tour buses. B100 reduces emissions of carbon monoxide by approximately 50% and carbon dioxide by 78% on a net lifecycle basis. In contrast to fossil fuels, which release new carbon previously sequestered in the earth's crust, the carbon in B100 emissions is recycled from carbon already present in the atmosphere."


    This is why I refuse to agree with the fact that a band that will take these measures will run a tour bus for hours unless they absolutely need to.
    "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
  • vduboise
    vduboise Posts: 1,937
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    I hear you and I'm not trying to be the villain here. I would just love to hear what the reason is that's all. There just doesn't seem to be a completely unavoidable reason in my head so that's why I pointed this out to begin with.

    And is it a fact that it is running on biodiesel or is that just speculation?


    if you looked back - it says that in 2006 they started using biodiesel.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    rule no1 of this place is never ever disagree with what Ed says.

    the fanatics will crucify you for it.

    remember the Ed interview where he talks about how he spent ages bootlegging concerts he went to... then for his solo shows.... NO recording equipment.

    in this case if Ed or PJ offset their emissions then i think thats admirable... the man needs to tour... and we need them to tour... so offsetting is the best way to combat the problem.

    whats more hypocritical is that the many 100's of people who cheered at his SUV comments are probably the ones who dont give a fuck about emissions in the 1st place and would gladly cheer anything Ed said.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    Who agreed with Bush?

    I don't know you.

    you don't know me.

    you don't know anyone in this thread.

    you don't know Ed

    we are sheep.

    Ed is a hypocrite.

    bush is not an environmentalist.

    you complain about Ed's hypocricy

    so does bush.

    you agree w/ Bush.


    you must be reading from the gospel of Bush
  • vduboise
    vduboise Posts: 1,937
    dunkman wrote:
    whats more hypocritical is that the many 100's of people who cheered at his SUV comments are probably the ones who dont give a fuck about emissions in the 1st place and would gladly cheer anything Ed said.

    So true, most will cheer just to cheer- and then go pick up their SUVs from the garage on the way home.
  • JeffAment's-Floor
    JeffAment's-Floor Posts: 88
    Ok, I'm glad to hear about biodiesel. That's definitely an effort to limit what they are doing. But I'll still turn my head when I see those things on the streets for hours and Ed bash an SUV. I don't know much about biodiesel but it still can't be good running for hours over an extended period of time. But still, it does make me feel a little bit better about it knowing this.

    I'd still like the question of if it is unavoidable because that's a pretty big deal to me. For a lot of people, driving is unavoidable and so I'd like to hear Ed's reasoning for running when he didn't give a pass to these people.
  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    Do you hear me? Do you care?

    My lips are moving and the sound’s coming out
    The words are audible but I have my doubts
    That you realize what has been said

    You look at me as if you’re in a daze
    It’s like the feeling at the end of the page when you realize
    You don’t know what you just read.

    What are words for
    When no one listens anymore
    What are words for
    When no one listens
    There’s no use talking at all.

    I might as well go up and talk to a wall
    Coz all the words are having no effect at all
    It’s a funny thing.. am I all alone?

    Something has to happen to change the direction
    What little filters though is giving you the wrong impression
    “it’s a sorry state” I say to myself

    What are words for
    When no one listens anymore
    What are words for
    When no one listens
    There’s no use talking at all.

    Do you hear me? Do you care?

    Let me get by over your dead body
    Hope to see you soon
    When will I know?
    Doors three feet wide with no locks open
    Walking always backwards in faces of strangers
    Time could be my friend
    But it’s less then nowhere now….

    Pursue it any further and another thing you’ll find
    Not only are they deaf and dumb they could be going blind
    no one notices
    I think I’ll dye my hair blue.

    Media overload bombarding you with action
    It’s getting near impossible to cause distraction
    someone answer me.. before I pull the plug.

    What are words for
    When no one listens anymore
    What are words for
    When no one listens
    There’s no use talking at all.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    rrivers wrote:
    He agrees with Ed in his SUV comment.
    I never said that. In fact I said that I agree he is a hypocrite, as we all are, and asked the original poster to not hold Ed to a higher standard than the rest of us.

    Boy, you sure read into my posts what you wanted.
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    Dont Be Sorry He Is Full Of Shit At Times
  • beachdweller
    beachdweller Posts: 1,532
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    Ok, so one thought at tonight's show came to mind. I know that everyone jumps on anyone who challenges the Gospel according to Vedder, but this remark jumped out at me. It was Ed's story about paddling down the Potomac, feeling the beauty of the city, and then in there he made a comment about seeing SUVs and vans on the roads from the river, thus taking away from the experience a bit; a snap to reality if you will. Well, what irks me about Mr. Environmentalist, is that throughout the day, taking in the touristy stuff of DC, I probably passed Eddie's tour buses a good 3 or 4 times; over the course of probably 5 hours. His two buses parked out on the side of the road were running every single time I passed it. The engines roared. How's that for a carbon footprint?

    Just saying...

    Are you sure Ed's bus isn't running on a biofuel/alternate fuel? Was the bus running or the generator? Is Ed paying to offset his carbon footprint like PJ does on their tours?

    The otherside of this is, if Ed's paying to offset his carbon footprint, who is he to assume that others aren't? Others that are driving the DC landscape in SUVs, etc...?

    Also, you don't have to be perfect to want better for all, even if you have some word to do on yourself.
    "Music, for me, was fucking heroin." eV (nothing Ed has said is more true for me personally than this quote)

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  • jimlives
    jimlives Posts: 48
    I read that PJ tour buss runs on bio diesel.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    beachdweller wrote:

    The otherside of this is, if Ed's paying to offset his carbon footprint, who is he to assume that others aren't? Others that are driving the DC landscape in SUVs, etc...?


    great point... Ed's moaning about all the SUV drivers and yet that man has no idea if they are offsetting their carbon... or that they live 70 miles away on a farmstead and they need 4x4... etc etc etc.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    rrivers wrote:
    Running a tour bus all day to keep it cool, is not a good enough reason in my opinion (and I would guess Jeff Ament's-floor as well because he is the only other reasonable one here).
    http://www.pearljam.com/activism/carbon.php

    I would bet that the buses were running on bio-diesel which pretty much negates this whole discussion.
  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    dunkman wrote:
    great point... Ed's moaning about all the SUV drivers and yet that man has no idea if they are offsetting their carbon... or that they live 70 miles away on a farmstead and they need 4x4... etc etc etc.


    Yes. Great point, except he didn't name names. It is however safe to assume many are not and many don't.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    aNiMaL wrote:
    http://www.pearljam.com/activism/carbon.php

    I would bet that the buses were running on bio-diesel which pretty much negates this whole discussion.


    no it doesnt... how does Ed know that the SUV he saw wasnt doing the same?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    aNiMaL wrote:
    http://www.pearljam.com/activism/carbon.php

    I would bet that the buses were running on bio-diesel which pretty much negates this whole discussion.


    They are, its on the 2006 press release
    "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    dunkman wrote:
    no it doesnt... how does Ed know that the SUV he saw wasnt doing the same?

    Exactly or a hybrid or E80 SUV.....

    but I forgot that Ed is always right.
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