I hate to say that Ed is a hypocrite, but...

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  • JaneNY
    JaneNY Posts: 4,438
    I don't know how people know so much about the band's tour buses, when they run, how they run, and what they run on. I never even see the damn things - I'm usually just rushing to find the 10 club window and get to the show.
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  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    don't sweat all this "carbon footprint" bullshit.it is pseudo science and a fucking SHAM!!!

    the only thing making this planet hotter IS THE SUN!!!

    one major volcanic eruption spews more carbon in the air than the last 100 yrs of all of mankind combined!

    don't let the media & Al gore snow you!!


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  • IAmMyself
    IAmMyself Posts: 671
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Yeah, because none of us who drive cars and spew emissions are ever allowed to talk about stuff like that. How dare we!!

    The Amish are the only ones who should make such comments. Good point!

    :rolleyes:

    We are all hypocrites to some degree, Ed included. Stop holding him to higher standards than the rest of us.

    I am sure the SUVs were a distraction from the natural beauty he was enjoying. Did you not want him to come to your town and play, or not tell that story?

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  • jackwvuu
    jackwvuu Posts: 42
    we're missing something here....does anyone think those buses weren't running on biodiesel, because i would be really surprised if they weren't
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    Of course, they could always just not tour. That would solve the problem.

    Here's some information some may find helpful. xo

    http://www.pearljam.com/activism/carbon.php
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  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    Kat wrote:
    Of course, they could always just not tour. That would solve the problem.

    Here's some information some may find helpful. xo

    http://www.pearljam.com/activism/carbon.php


    Maybe this time they'll listen, we've been mentioning this since the argument started but many seem to chose to ignore it for the sake of keeping the argument going :confused:

    No more touring? :eek: .... NO WAY!!! ;)
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  • ofthegirl75
    ofthegirl75 New Jersey Posts: 315
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    I'm sure he wasn't. But being his buses, he is responsible for them. And two huge tour buses use up very little gas when running for hours and hours? Ha.

    I think they run to use the AC. We were walking around and it was hot. I guess it was for whomever was on the bus.

    What bothers me more are all the plastic cups at the show- not to mention the thousands of plastic bottles I saw laying all over the city and in the trash. No recycling!
  • morgie2
    morgie2 Posts: 1,065
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    Ok, so one thought at tonight's show came to mind. I know that everyone jumps on anyone who challenges the Gospel according to Vedder, but this remark jumped out at me. It was Ed's story about paddling down the Potomac, feeling the beauty of the city, and then in there he made a comment about seeing SUVs and vans on the roads from the river, thus taking away from the experience a bit; a snap to reality if you will. Well, what irks me about Mr. Environmentalist, is that throughout the day, taking in the touristy stuff of DC, I probably passed Eddie's tour buses a good 3 or 4 times; over the course of probably 5 hours. His two buses parked out on the side of the road were running every single time I passed it. The engines roared. How's that for a carbon footprint?

    Just saying...

    I'm not on the same page with our Edward on alot of issues. That said, you really can't fault this band on charity work, or environmental issues. They do a TON both with money and awareness. Seems to me your analogy on this subject is a bit of a stretch.
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  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    jackwvu wrote:
    we're missing something here....does anyone think those buses weren't running on biodiesel, because i would be really surprised if they weren't


    That's what I was thinking last night, I mean we have NO details (not even one) about Ed's or Pearl Jam's touring for that matter so how can anyone say it's a waste of energy, or as you mention how do we know they are not running on biodiesel (specially knowing how involved they are with not harming the environment)......

    IMO I think that some want to stick to thinking he runs his 2 big buses only because he can (and there must not be any other logical reason) and therefore he must be a hypocrite.. :confused:
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    http://www.pearljam.com/activism/carbon.php

    2006 - This year we expanded their program to encompass a broader range of clean air solutions. In addition to the Carbon Portfolio Strategy, we are working to offset carbon emissions from their 2006 US tour by using B100 - pure bio-diesel - in all production trucks and in our tour buses. B100 reduces emissions of carbon monoxide by approximately 50% and carbon dioxide by 78% on a net lifecycle basis. In contrast to fossil fuels, which release new carbon previously sequestered in the earth's crust, the carbon in B100 emissions is recycled from carbon already present in the atmosphere.
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  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    Kat wrote:
    http://www.pearljam.com/activism/carbon.php

    2006 - This year we expanded their program to encompass a broader range of clean air solutions. In addition to the Carbon Portfolio Strategy, we are working to offset carbon emissions from their 2006 US tour by using B100 - pure bio-diesel - in all production trucks and in our tour buses. B100 reduces emissions of carbon monoxide by approximately 50% and carbon dioxide by 78% on a net lifecycle basis. In contrast to fossil fuels, which release new carbon previously sequestered in the earth's crust, the carbon in B100 emissions is recycled from carbon already present in the atmosphere.


    Oh shit! I must've been half asleep yesterday, can you believe I read that like 3 times looking for any bio-diesel info and only God knows how I missed it!
    Then again it was 2am that I was up waiting too see that this tropical storm would bring us here in South Florida and arguing in this thread :D
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  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    Ed does more for the environment than just about anybody on this earth.


    I love hearing conservatives whine about ed's whining.

    Difference between Ed and them. Ed does something about. Cons bury their heads in the sand...
  • JeffAment's-Floor
    JeffAment's-Floor Posts: 88
    Stop saying I'm ignoring that Ed does a lot. I mentioned a few times now that it's great that he does a lot. But like it was said before, wasted energy is wasted energy. Everyone nods there heads in agreement and applause like sheep when he bashes the SUVs yet when he is the one having those buses, I get jumped on for pointing out my issue with him. And then people don't see this as a valid criticism. This place is worse than I thought with the Ed is infallible stuff. You give every benefit of the doubt to Ed for having a bus run for hours, yet he makes the enemy out of SUV drivers. Come on now. I'm not saying the guy is a monster or that his good work in the matter means nothing now. I'm pointing out this one particular instance and expressing my problem. Why people are giving him every benefit of the doubt, every excuse, every pass, even choosing to simply not care about it, that is simply beyond me.
  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    Stop saying I'm ignoring that Ed does a lot. I mentioned a few times now that it's great that he does a lot. But like it was said before, wasted energy is wasted energy. Everyone nods there heads in agreement and applause like sheep when he bashes the SUVs yet when he is the one having those buses, I get jumped on for pointing out my issue with him. And then people don't see this as a valid criticism. This place is worse than I thought with the Ed is infallible stuff. You give every benefit of the doubt to Ed for having a bus run for hours, yet he makes the enemy out of SUV drivers. Come on now. I'm not saying the guy is a monster or that his good work in the matter means nothing now. I'm pointing out this one particular instance and expressing my problem. Why people are giving him every benefit of the doubt, every excuse, every pass, even choosing to simply not care about it, that is simply beyond me.


    You can have whatever opinion you like, just like me or the next guy.
    What I don't understand is, you know for sure that this is wasted energy? and if you do, please explain.
    You are not leaving any room to the possibility that he cannot turn them off.
    Not touring would be the answer to your complain if you are not willing to consider the fact that he NEEDS to run his buses while their standing and that he doesn't run them just because he can.
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  • JeffAment's-Floor
    JeffAment's-Floor Posts: 88
    Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:
    You can have whatever opinion you like, just like me or the next guy.
    What I don't understand is, you know for sure that this is wasted energy? and if you do, please explain.
    You are not leaving any room to the possibility that he cannot turn them off.
    Not touring would be the answer to your complain if you are not willing to consider the fact that he NEEDS to run his buses while their standing and that he doesn't run them just because he can.

    Honestly, it's because I personally can't think of a reason why those buses need to run all the time that is absolutely necessary for Ed to tour. Can you? A/C or appliance usage just doesn't seem absolutely necessary to me. If there was an absolutely unavoidable situation where if these buses weren't running there would be no tour, then maybe I'd be a little more understanding. But I can't think of it.
  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    Stop saying I'm ignoring that Ed does a lot. I mentioned a few times now that it's great that he does a lot. But like it was said before, wasted energy is wasted energy. Everyone nods there heads in agreement and applause like sheep when he bashes the SUVs yet when he is the one having those buses, I get jumped on for pointing out my issue with him. And then people don't see this as a valid criticism. This place is worse than I thought with the Ed is infallible stuff. You give every benefit of the doubt to Ed for having a bus run for hours, yet he makes the enemy out of SUV drivers. Come on now. I'm not saying the guy is a monster or that his good work in the matter means nothing now. I'm pointing out this one particular instance and expressing my problem. Why people are giving him every benefit of the doubt, every excuse, every pass, even choosing to simply not care about it, that is simply beyond me.


    and you are still to comment on the fact that they don't run their buses on regular fuel, if they took those measures to make sure that don't affect the environment more than they need to, why on earth will Ed or the band run the bus unnecessarily? You would think that there is a reason for it other than wasting energy just for fun!
    "Without the album covers, where do you clean your pot?" - EV
  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    People are jumping on you because your calling them sheep.

    there are people who don't know vedder and at all and would defend him if they knew what he was doing, but this is a friggin pj board.

    We aren't sheep for following Ed because we happen to agree with him. duh!

    People like Ed and us realize you do what you can and minimize everywhere you can. Yet we also realize we have to live in modern society.

    Once you realize they have their own thoughts and aren't Ed worshipers you might get somewhere.

    you must be sheep you follow everything Bush and Hannity say....
  • edvedder913
    edvedder913 Posts: 1,810
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    Ok, so one thought at tonight's show came to mind. I know that everyone jumps on anyone who challenges the Gospel according to Vedder, but this remark jumped out at me. It was Ed's story about paddling down the Potomac, feeling the beauty of the city, and then in there he made a comment about seeing SUVs and vans on the roads from the river, thus taking away from the experience a bit; a snap to reality if you will. Well, what irks me about Mr. Environmentalist, is that throughout the day, taking in the touristy stuff of DC, I probably passed Eddie's tour buses a good 3 or 4 times; over the course of probably 5 hours. His two buses parked out on the side of the road were running every single time I passed it. The engines roared. How's that for a carbon footprint?

    Just saying...

    I agree - love Ed to death - but definitely a hyprocrite in more ways than the one you mentioned.
  • Mrs.Vedder78
    Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    JeffAment's-Floor wrote:
    Honestly, it's because I personally can't think of a reason why those buses need to run all the time that is absolutely necessary for Ed to tour. Can you? A/C or appliance usage just doesn't seem absolutely necessary to me. If there was an absolutely unavoidable situation where if these buses weren't running there would be no tour, then maybe I'd be a little more understanding. But I can't think of it.


    I see what you are saying but the fact that you can't think of a reason doesnt mean it doesnt exist...

    My argument is (in my opinion logical) this band goes to great lengths to try and offset their damage to the environment and as many of us including Kat have pointed out they have taken measures to make sure that what they do when touring affects the environment the least possible.....
    if this is their frame of mind, you really really think that Ed would run those buses if he didn't absolutely need to? If he runs them all that time is because he has to, the fact that you and I don't know the reason behind it means nothing.
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  • JeffAment's-Floor
    JeffAment's-Floor Posts: 88
    Smellyman wrote:
    you must be sheep you follow everything Bush and Hannity say....

    Why does everyone assume I'm conservative? Hell, did I say anything conservative here? Sheesh.

    Anyway, I call people "sheep" because they were right there agreeing with him when he made a comment about SUV drivers (who are obviously trying to deal with the issues of modern society as well) yet what he was doing looked about 1000x worse than that, and he gets every excuse for it.

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