Should welfare recipiants have to do community service?

FiveB247x · February 2011

Is community service a punishment, for some it is - as part of criminal behaviors for guilty in court. Is it a good thing in general for people to do, sure. Should it be mandated that everyone be forced to do it, absolutely not. Volunteering is just that - for volunteers! The problem of welfare corruption should be resolved by reform and adjustment, not hoops to jump through or any other mandatory ways to make people do things in order to qualify for them. Unless everyone in society should be forced to do such services, it is wrong to force any group to do so simply because it is in your personal belief that people "owe" society something. Many of you characterize those on welfare in a very black and white manner, when in fact it's all very gray. Once again, if the goal is to clean up corruption in welfare, then address that directly. If the goal is to clean up communities then address that directly. Combining them is misguided and does not solve any issue nor does it do anything but force people to do services who for the most part do not owe anything to society. If 74% of the people are in compliance of the program, that's a vast majority attempting to do the right thing or make their way and not take advantage. Perhaps that doesn't mean much to you, but if it were you, I'm sure you would not appreciate such demands or commentary. And by the way, if forcing policy to account for 24% isn't an ass-backwards way of addressing problems, I don't know what is. And for reference and logic purposes, I just looked up, 25% of all Americans take anti-depressants... so perhaps we all should see a therapist? Didn't think so huh?

Also, Heidi - perhaps everything isn't the same as it is in your particular city or neck of the woods? Ever think of that? And I'd hardly call a sensationalized tv show some type of merit or legitimate base for morality or policies for an entire nation. It'd be like basing our security and law enforcement for the whole nation based on what we see or hear in the show Cops.

FiveB247x · February 2011

No one here is giving anyone a break or such... we're saying it's the wrong way to address the problem. Corruption of welfare should be stopped - we all agree on that and no one has said otherwise.

pjhawks wrote:

agree with you. i wonder if some of those who are so strident for welfare and against making people work for it have seen it much or live in an area close to places that have a high majority of families on welfare. in theory it sounds great that the government should take care of everyone but reality is that there are a lot of people taking advantage of it while the hard working people get screwed.

Blockhead · February 2011

FiveB247x wrote:

Is community service a punishment, for some it is - as part of criminal behaviors for guilty in court. Is it a good thing in general for people to do, sure. Should it be mandated that everyone be forced to do it, absolutely not. Volunteering is just that - for volunteers! The problem of welfare corruption should be resolved by reform and adjustment, not hoops to jump through or any other mandatory ways to make people do things in order to qualify for them. Unless everyone in society should be forced to do such services, it is wrong to force any group to do so simply because it is in your personal belief that people "owe" society something. Many of you characterize those on welfare in a very black and white manner, when in fact it's all very gray. Once again, if the goal is to clean up corruption in welfare, then address that directly. If the goal is to clean up communities then address that directly. Combining them is misguided and does not solve any issue nor does it do anything but force people to do services who for the most part do not owe anything to society. If 74% of the people are in compliance of the program, that's a vast majority attempting to do the right thing or make their way and not take advantage. Perhaps that doesn't mean much to you, but if it were you, I'm sure you would not appreciate such demands or commentary. And by the way, if forcing policy to account for 24% isn't an ass-backwards way of addressing problems, I don't know what is. And for reference and logic purposes, I just looked up, 25% of all Americans take anti-depressants... so perhaps we all should see a therapist? Didn't think so huh?

Also, Heidi - perhaps everything isn't the same as it is in your particular city or neck of the woods? Ever think of that? And I'd hardly call a sensationalized tv show some type of merit or legitimate base for morality or policies for an entire nation. It'd be like basing our security and law enforcement for the whole nation based on what we see or hear in the show Cops.

Dude... again 74% is jsut the number for people at or under 2 years, they could just as well be milking the system... quit using the 74%. And again PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE NOT PAYING TAXES AND ARE RECEIVING GOV. MONEY.You keep bringing up that everybody should be forced to do services of social programs that they use. Your problem that you keep missing is that WE ALL PAY TAEXES AND TAKE CARE OF OUR FAMILES ON OUR OWN. We pay into those systems that we use. Welfare recipients do not pay for the social services that they use, on top of being provided for by everybody elses money.

Blockhead · February 2011

FiveB247x wrote:

No one here is giving anyone a break or such... we're saying it's the wrong way to address the problem. Corruption of welfare should be stopped - we all agree on that and no one has said otherwise.

pjhawks wrote:

agree with you. i wonder if some of those who are so strident for welfare and against making people work for it have seen it much or live in an area close to places that have a high majority of families on welfare. in theory it sounds great that the government should take care of everyone but reality is that there are a lot of people taking advantage of it while the hard working people get screwed.

How is it wrong to have requirements/rules when you are being provided for?

pandora · February 2011

Why wouldn't you want them to have opportunities for personal growth?

Why shouldn't they give back to the community?

Why can't they earn the respect that the working class has?

Why don't you want them to learn from new experiences?

Why do you only see negatives when the positives are so obvious?

Our society can change one person at a time, if we give them a chance to.

And community service is not considered a punishment when given by the courts.
It is an opportunity to stay out of jail or off probation by giving back to the community.

A sense of community can keep crime from happening.

FiveB247x · February 2011

People have to qualify for these kinds of benefits, you can't just show up and say - hey I don't have a job, pay me. So in order to qualify income and other indicators are checked. If 74% are on for under 2 years, I'd say that's a pretty decent rate, especially with our economy the way it's been the last few years - no? And how come you don't recognize that people pay into the system their whole life? If I work from age 17 - 35 and then am in need, even though I may not be contributing at that moment of receiving the assistance, I have paid in and will pay in once off them. How is that so hard for you to understand? Also, how come you don't talk about all of the people working hard in our nation and below the poverty line? The working poor. You also completely ignore the fact our economic polarity and it's impact in our nation.. ie why poor people are poor. You seem to want the hold a minority of corrupt people solely responsible for the entire government programs which get corrupted when in fact, if you just reform or crack down on the program itself, the corrupt recipients disappear for good. The only people who "owe" society anything are those cheating the system. Anyone else using the system in a non-corrupt manner, doesn't owe anyone anything as before they were on they were contributing and after will continue too.

HeidiJam wrote:

Dude... again 74% is jsut the number for people at or under 2 years, they could just as well be milking the system... quit using the 74%. And again PEOPLE ON WELFARE ARE NOT PAYING TAXES AND ARE RECEIVING GOV. MONEY.You keep bringing up that everybody should be forced to do services of social programs that they use. Your problem that you keep missing is that WE ALL PAY TAEXES AND TAKE CARE OF OUR FAMILES ON OUR OWN. We pay into those systems that we use. Welfare recipients do not pay for the social services that they use, on top of being provided for by everybody elses money.

FiveB247x · February 2011

Sounds like you want to be the morality police and tell everyone how they need to act and what kind of people to be, which has nothing to do at all with why people are on welfare.

pandora wrote:

Why wouldn't you want them to have opportunities for personal growth?

Why shouldn't they give back to the community?

Why can't they earn the respect that the working class has?

Why don't you want them to learn from new experiences?

Why do you only see negatives when the positives are so obvious?

Our society can change one person at a time, if we give them a chance to.

And community service is not considered a punishment when given by the courts.
It is an opportunity to stay out of jail or off probation by giving back to the community.

A sense of community can keep crime from happening.

pandora · February 2011

FiveB247x wrote:

Sounds like you want to be the morality police and tell everyone how they need to act and what kind of people to be, which has nothing to do at all with why people are on welfare.

pandora wrote:

Why wouldn't you want them to have opportunities for personal growth?

Why shouldn't they give back to the community?

Why can't they earn the respect that the working class has?

Why don't you want them to learn from new experiences?

Why do you only see negatives when the positives are so obvious?

Our society can change one person at a time, if we give them a chance to.

And community service is not considered a punishment when given by the courts.
It is an opportunity to stay out of jail or off probation by giving back to the community.

A sense of community can keep crime from happening.

Actually I was asking you and others against community service those questions :? not people on aid.

Why wouldn't you want the people on welfare to have an opportunity to better themselves?
seems like you are holding them back, thinking you are saving them
when actually you are not doing them any favors by not expecting anything from them.

You are keeping them from learning and growing and feeling better about themselves.

Thats what we are here to do ...grow and learn from life experiences and to help one another.

Perhaps you have a different idea as why people are given the gift of life,
and it is gift not to be wasted.

FiveB247x · February 2011

I knew exactly what you meant which is why I stated my below comment. Who are you or any one else to tell who needs to grow or improve or who to respect or what they need to do on a personal or volunteer level? And the simple insinuation that people on welfare need to do these things instead of just simply all of our society says tons of negative things by itself. Everyone in society loves telling everyone else how they need to act, think, feel and be, but don't want it directed at them. I'd sooner here someone just flat out say our society should do community service as a whole to better everyone and the nation we live, than solely and misguidedly tossing a group in need of such things. It's rather biased, naive and controlling. If you asked me, we have far more people in need of morality adjustments who have lots of money and jobs compared to those on some welfare program.

pandora wrote:

Actually I was asking you and others against community service those questions :? not people on aid.

Why wouldn't you want the people on welfare to have an opportunity to better themselves?
seems like you are holding them back, thinking you are saving them
when actually you are not doing them any favors by not expecting anything from them.

You are keeping them from learning and growing and feeling better about themselves.

Thats what we are here to do ...grow and learn from life experiences and to help one another.

Perhaps you have a different idea as why people are given the gift of life,
and it is gift not to be wasted.

whygohome · February 2011

I think everyone should be required to do a certain number of hours of community service per week or month. Especially high school or college students. And, the way to opt out would be to donate $$$ to a charity.

We're all in this together, and it's about time we realized it. The better and the stronger society is, the better off we all would be.

P.S. Before you bash me and start slinging accusations, you should know that I do not care what you say

FiveB247x · February 2011

I agree with you and would even remove the donating money part. People change when they see and feel things directly. Donating money is a nice gesture, but actually volunteering and doing that directly changes people for the better. It creates compassion.

whygohome wrote:

I think everyone should be required to do a certain number of hours of community service per week or month. Especially high school or college students. And, the way to opt out would be to donate $$$ to a charity.

We're all in this together, and it's about time we realized it. The better and the stronger society is, the better off we all would be.

P.S. Before you bash me and start slinging accusations, you should know that I do not care what you say

chadwick · February 2011

i'd enjoy it if the wealthy dicks in this country picked up trash in the slums and on roadways.

that one broad always in trouble,,, lindsey lohan
that chic should be sifting through trash up to her stupid neck in search of plastic water bottles for recycling.
then she and her spoiled little ass friends who fuck up and break the law should be made to live on welfare or something fun like that.

charlie sheen... busted every other day for something
community service, wearing a striped jump suit, picking his nose on the shoulder of i-5 or something.
then they should burn all his cash, melt his credit cards, and then kick him in the balls

pandora · February 2011

FiveB247x wrote:

I knew exactly what you meant which is why I stated my below comment. Who are you or any one else to tell who needs to grow or improve or who to respect or what they need to do on a personal or volunteer level? And the simple insinuation that people on welfare need to do these things instead of just simply all of our society says tons of negative things by itself. Everyone in society loves telling everyone else how they need to act, think, feel and be, but don't want it directed at them. I'd sooner here someone just flat out say our society should do community service as a whole to better everyone and the nation we live, than solely and misguidedly tossing a group in need of such things. It's rather biased, naive and controlling. If you asked me, we have far more people in need of morality adjustments who have lots of money and jobs compared to those on some welfare program.

pandora wrote:

Actually I was asking you and others against community service those questions :? not people on aid.

Why wouldn't you want the people on welfare to have an opportunity to better themselves?
seems like you are holding them back, thinking you are saving them
when actually you are not doing them any favors by not expecting anything from them.

You are keeping them from learning and growing and feeling better about themselves.

Thats what we are here to do ...grow and learn from life experiences and to help one another.

Perhaps you have a different idea as why people are given the gift of life,
and it is gift not to be wasted.

Hey I already have posted many times the positives and that everyone would do well to experience community service because it is an opportunity not a punishment.

You perhaps might enjoy the positive effects, it would bring some understanding of the benefits.

You would also see where many of us are coming from which is not to find fault
with people but to give them opportunity to be a working part of society. That is a good thing.

FiveB247x · February 2011

Ok we're getting to the point of repeating ourselves.

I agree with everything you're saying except for the fact one specific group should be forced to do this. People who commit crimes have to payback society doing this debt which hopefully helps them. People on welfare (the vast majority of them) don't owe any debt to society which is the main issue.

pandora wrote:

Hey I already have posted many times the positives and that everyone would do well to experience community service because it is an opportunity not a punishment.

You perhaps might enjoy the positive effects, it would bring some understanding of the benefits.

You would also see where many of us are coming from which is not to find fault
with people but to give them opportunity to be a working part of society. That is a good thing.

pandora · February 2011

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quote="FiveB247x"]I agree with you and would even remove the donating money part. People change when they see and feel things directly. Donating money is a nice gesture, but actually volunteering and doing that directly changes people for the better. It creates compassion.

I'm confused if you think serving the community is a good thing that teaches compassion why shouldn't people on aid do it?

And again community service is given by the courts for the same reason,not as a punishment, but as an avenue for personal growth and promoting a sense of community.

The same reason those on aid should be required to do it and you and I also.

It doesn't hurt it only helps.

_ · February 2011

pjhawks wrote:

_ wrote:

A. Many people on welfare already work harder than the rest of us.

B. If we think they should do it because it's so good for the soul, then we should make everyone do it.

not sure where you live but i'd love to find the place where 'welfare' recipients are working harder than the rest of us. frankly that's just insulting to someone who works 40-60 hours a week, every week. and don't use the excuse that many of them are single mothers or whatever. can't afford children then put a damn condom on.

Yes, it is insulting for someone to think they work harder than someone else who works 40-60 hours a week, every week, isn't it? So then you should understand how insulting this idea is to welfare recipients, many of whom work 40-60 hours a week, every week.

I guess I shouldn't have said many people on welfare already work HARDER than THE REST of us. Your point is taken - many of them work harder than some of us, but some of us (like yourself) work just as hard as many welfare recipients.

FiveB247x · February 2011

Causation/Correlation: There may be a relationship between two events, but one doesn't necessarily cause the other. What correlation does someone being on welfare and being in need/assistance with having to do community service? They have zero to do with one another. I'll give you a football example, for instance, 100% of teams that kneel in the fourth quarter win games. Kneeling on the football is NOT a strategy to win games.

pandora wrote:

I'm confused if you think serving the community is a good thing that teaches compassion why shouldn't people on aid do it?

And again community service is given by the courts for the same reason,not as a punishment, but as an avenue for personal growth and promoting a sense of community.

The same reason those on aid should be required to do it and you and I also.

It doesn't hurt it only helps.

JOEJOEJOE · February 2011

pandora wrote:

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quote="FiveB247x"]I agree with you and would even remove the donating money part. People change when they see and feel things directly. Donating money is a nice gesture, but actually volunteering and doing that directly changes people for the better. It creates compassion.

I'm confused if you think serving the community is a good thing that teaches compassion why shouldn't people on aid do it?

And again community service is given by the courts for the same reason,not as a punishment, but as an avenue for personal growth and promoting a sense of community.

The same reason those on aid should be required to do it and you and I also.

It doesn't hurt it only helps.

Community service is assigned by the courts as an alternative to light jail sentences. It is also given to those who are not in a financial position to pay their fines.

pandora · February 2011

FiveB247x wrote:

Causation/Correlation: There may be a relationship between two events, but one doesn't necessarily cause the other. What correlation does someone being on welfare and being in need/assistance with having to do community service? They have zero to do with one another. I'll give you a football example, for instance, 100% of teams that kneel in the fourth quarter win games. Kneeling on the football is NOT a strategy to win games.

pandora wrote:

I'm confused if you think serving the community is a good thing that teaches compassion why shouldn't people on aid do it?

And again community service is given by the courts for the same reason,not as a punishment, but as an avenue for personal growth and promoting a sense of community.

The same reason those on aid should be required to do it and you and I also.

It doesn't hurt it only helps.

Ha don't go to football love it but am still learning

whats your point again?
you don't see why people on aid should do community service...haven't we beaten that horse to death yet?

They should cause it would do them good just like it does everyone good.
If those on welfare are sitting idle and are able bodied they can give back to community.
Pretty simple concept to me.

pandora · February 2011

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

pandora wrote:

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quote="FiveB247x"]I agree with you and would even remove the donating money part. People change when they see and feel things directly. Donating money is a nice gesture, but actually volunteering and doing that directly changes people for the better. It creates compassion.

I'm confused if you think serving the community is a good thing that teaches compassion why shouldn't people on aid do it?

And again community service is given by the courts for the same reason,not as a punishment, but as an avenue for personal growth and promoting a sense of community.

The same reason those on aid should be required to do it and you and I also.

It doesn't hurt it only helps.

Community service is assigned by the courts as an alternative to light jail sentences. It is also given to those who are not in a financial position to pay their fines.

Yes this true but the basis behind it is to serve the community and gain a sense of community.
This actually works too.
Otherwise their butts would be in jail earning tax dollars per butt for the community

Should welfare recipiants have to do community service?

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