Seems to be many here do agree with me and I'm guessing many in our communities do too. :? Ok this message board isn't a national survey
( is it just me or do you folks here pick on me ) Just your imagination
Free rides are not a good thing...most everyone can agree with that I think... I would hope. Agreed
It doesn't promote feeling good about yourself or feeling apart of the community. OK
Having the able bodied work and serve the community raises their self esteem Ok this kinda just contradicts the above sentence
also shows others who are working their butts off to pay for those on aid,
that the those on aid care about their community and want to contribute. You are assuming that they A. care about the community and B. care what everyone else thinks. To be honest I think most people who are working full time don't care about their community anyway so I don't know why you think anyone should feel differently. Maybe you live in a nice area I don't know
This is good for everyone.
As far as forcing it is a working situation. The able body works and gets paid for it.
Like in society. Or they don't get paid. Like we all learned ...give give get get.
My son is forced to get up at dawn and work til 8pm or I guess he could go on aid :? I would argue that welfare is just so people can survive and a working wage is so you can live. You know buy things you want and go on holiday ect I'm not sure what you get in the US but in the UK the basic is £45 ish a week (you get more on top if you have dependents and things like that)
We are all forced to do we what we do to earn our way. Yup to a point
The welfare recipients can learn and grow from this concept also. They can and some won't
Perhaps one solution is to give welfare recipients the choice to do some work and in return they recieve an increase in their payment or supermarket vouchers or something. The problem with that of course is that you don't want to make it too comfortable living like that because you want them to get back into work. But again if your on welfare and your able to work then you should be spending every day looking for work. Job hunting is a full time job itself I think.
But if someone works for most of their life and pays into the system, and then uses it for x amount of time (within the confines of reasonable length without corruption), how have they not contributed? They're not "living off of others" as you claim, but simply taking out a portion of what they put in.
Ok I just said idle(not working) and able bodied( not disabled)
We can force and should force people who live off of others hard earned money to work.
And as always the analogies reallly suck.
I think debaters should refrain from that cause they can never make a good one
in my opinion
CONservative governMENt
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pandora... you and your husband could not survive on $10.50 per hour without drastic changes to your lifestyle.
minimum wage in georgia is $5.25?
that is a joke...right?
yes that is a joke is the national 8.00 or something I thought I heard that?
Probably why our crime is one of the highest here in GA
and they just voted down the liquor sales on Sunday thing
talk about rights being taken away
actually we are living on less than that now...we live on our 401 k retirement money to help keep our biz afloat for the kids...loaning much of it to the biz.
And our house we bought in 96 ...the house next door sold for the same amount a couple years ago.
Can't sell ours so the nest egg is gone there.
What this govt /economy is doing to us hard working folk is a down right sin.
But if someone works for most of their life and pays into the system, and then uses it for x amount of time (within the confines of reasonable length without corruption), how have they not contributed? They're not "living off of others" as you claim, but simply taking out a portion of what they put in.
Ok I just said idle(not working) and able bodied( not disabled)
We can force and should force people who live off of others hard earned money to work.
And as always the analogies reallly suck.
I think debaters should refrain from that cause they can never make a good one
in my opinion
are you taking about seniors?
Cause I've been thinking I might apply for aid...and I'll do community service no problem
I've been paying in forever.
It is hard in this day and age mate and I think that's why people get upset with the people who sit on the arses and do nothing while they work so damn hard. To be quite honest with you, after paying the mortgage, the council rates, the telephone, the gas, the electricity, the water all the stupid friggin levys, there is very little left at the end of the day. I know it's not black and white because there are some people who don't quite work a 40 hour week but do work and there are some people who have disabilities and there are the mums who need help but there are some people who do nothing and are the first to complain about doing work. They should be made to help, coz like I said before, why the hell not?
P.s. Don't be depressed dude...
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Seems to be many here do agree with me and I'm guessing many in our communities do too. :? Ok this message board isn't a national survey
( is it just me or do you folks here pick on me ) Just your imagination
Free rides are not a good thing...most everyone can agree with that I think... I would hope. Agreed
It doesn't promote feeling good about yourself or feeling apart of the community. OK
Having the able bodied work and serve the community raises their self esteem Ok this kinda just contradicts the above sentence
also shows others who are working their butts off to pay for those on aid,
that the those on aid care about their community and want to contribute. You are assuming that they A. care about the community and B. care what everyone else thinks. To be honest I think most people who are working full time don't care about their community anyway so I don't know why you think anyone should feel differently. Maybe you live in a nice area I don't know
This is good for everyone.
As far as forcing it is a working situation. The able body works and gets paid for it.
Like in society. Or they don't get paid. Like we all learned ...give give get get.
My son is forced to get up at dawn and work til 8pm or I guess he could go on aid :? I would argue that welfare is just so people can survive and a working wage is so you can live. You know buy things you want and go on holiday ect I'm not sure what you get in the US but in the UK the basic is £45 ish a week (you get more on top if you have dependents and things like that)
We are all forced to do we what we do to earn our way. Yup to a point
The welfare recipients can learn and grow from this concept also. They can and some won't
Perhaps one solution is to give welfare recipients the choice to do some work and in return they recieve an increase in their payment or supermarket vouchers or something. The problem with that of course is that you don't want to make it too comfortable living like that because you want them to get back into work. But again if your on welfare and your able to work then you should be spending every day looking for work. Job hunting is a full time job itself I think.
Problem with that their are no jobs.
My son might not mind being on aid...he threatens all the time
my contradiction you missed...I said not working is not a good thing
but community services raises self esteem.
You also miss the point on the hard working people giving their money to provide for someone else. It would help to know that person cared enough to get off their duff and serve their community.
Hey you guys should get out of here and come listen to some music in the rate thread or timeless thread
It's Friday!!!! Maybe we can dance a bit and have a cocktail
No I'm strictly talking about people on welfare. If a person works (before, after or during on Welfare), they contribute to taxes and pay into the system. A person isn't on welfare their whole life. So to assume soley because they're not contributing while on the benefits is not the same as recognition of contribution at other points in time.
Cause I've been thinking I might apply for aid...and I'll do community service no problem
I've been paying in forever.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
pandora... you and your husband could not survive on $10.50 per hour without drastic changes to your lifestyle.
minimum wage in georgia is $5.25?
that is a joke...right?
yes that is a joke is the national 8.00 or something I thought I heard that?
Probably why our crime is one of the highest here in GA
and they just voted down the liquor sales on Sunday thing
talk about rights being taken away
actually we are living on less than that now...we live on our 401 k retirement money to help keep our biz afloat for the kids...loaning much of it to the biz.
And our house we bought in 96 ...the house next door sold for the same amount a couple years ago.
Can't sell ours so the nest egg is gone there.
What this govt /economy is doing to us hard working folk is a down right sin.
uh oh now I'm depressed
get a second job & quit your whining.
keeping the biz afloat for the kids. why?
they are all over printing?
pandora... you and your husband could not survive on $10.50 per hour without drastic changes to your lifestyle.
minimum wage in georgia is $5.25?
that is a joke...right?
yes that is a joke is the national 8.00 or something I thought I heard that?
Probably why our crime is one of the highest here in GA
and they just voted down the liquor sales on Sunday thing
talk about rights being taken away
actually we are living on less than that now...we live on our 401 k retirement money to help keep our biz afloat for the kids...loaning much of it to the biz.
And our house we bought in 96 ...the house next door sold for the same amount a couple years ago.
Can't sell ours so the nest egg is gone there.
What this govt /economy is doing to us hard working folk is a down right sin.
uh oh now I'm depressed
get a second job & quit your whining.
keeping the biz afloat for the kids. why?
they are all over printing?
I love your humor...you were kidding right? ...I would never be here and I am working...
honest
My son is good at what he does but not many karat presses in the country. I think a dozen maybe. I'm not willing to take the chance on unemployment for him and his friends that work with us.
Besides it's good for him to work with his Pa.
Daughter is in school works with us making enough...more than she would anywhere else
to live on her own.
We'll see... you know me forever hopeful...maybe the economy will turn around and we will start making money like the 90's
hey maybe "they" will super inflate everything again so it looks like everything is fine Ah the 90's
and sugar daddies and pretend prosperity
No I'm strictly talking about people on welfare. If a person works (before, after or during on Welfare), they contribute to taxes and pay into the system. A person isn't on welfare their whole life. So to assume soley because they're not contributing while on the benefits is not the same as recognition of contribution at other points in time.
WHy should I be FORCED to pay into the welfare program??? Once you can answer this, that will be your answer for why people on welfare (who are able) should be doing community service.
How about people who have jobs but need assistance? Or perhaps people with disabilities on assistance? Or how bout just anyone with some spare time we think should contribute more to society? My point is, we can't pick and choose arbitrarily who should have to do such things because they are on assistance or any other program. I personally feel anyone watching American Idol should stop and be forced to volunteer, it is good and will do them good, right? Or perhaps we should have fat people work at soup kitchens cause they're so gluttonous? The invisible line of who should have to do such things is completely contrived, without real fact backing it and is a very disingenuous way to try and make people act in a good way. You can't force such things unless their guilty of something that warrants it.
Really, watching american idol is = to people receiving everybody else money without putting anything back into the system. Fat people do not recieve money also. You are terrible at analogys. A good analogy would be, Why am i forced to pay into a system that gives people money who don't contribute to the same system.
people need to eat. people need shelter. people need education. people need work. people need safety.
if they take a little money from my check to help pay for that stuff, im good with that.
countries forgive debt to other countries all the time. that is huge dollars i'm assuming.
having a hard-on for the poor is ridiculous.
the system needs improvement. fact.
the system needs improvement globally. fact.
WHy should I be FORCED to pay into the welfare program??? Once you can answer this, that will be your answer for why people on welfare (who are able) should be doing community service.
because it benefits your community, which is partly why you want people to do community service for welfare..................
WHy should I be FORCED to pay into the welfare program??? Once you can answer this, that will be your answer for why people on welfare (who are able) should be doing community service.
because it benefits your community, which is partly why you want people to do community service for welfare..................
But................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................They arent doing any community service..................................................................................
So whats your point?
people need to eat. people need shelter. people need education. people need work. people need safety.
if they take a little money from my check to help pay for that stuff, im good with that.
countries forgive debt to other countries all the time. that is huge dollars i'm assuming.
having a hard-on for the poor is ridiculous.
the system needs improvement. fact.
the system needs improvement globally. fact.
My family needs to eat, my family needs shelter, my family needs education, my family needs safety. WHy is it alright to take the money I work for (that should be going to my family) and giving it to a group who do not give back to society. Why are you not asking for the poor to give back to society??? If they can't with money, why not with their time, since they are not working. A little money from peoples pay check could make all the difference. I don't have a hard on for the poor, I expect people to be responsible for THIER OWN LIVES... I know thats a hard concept to understand here at AMT.
If we don't want our tax money going for welfare, maybe we should start by paying people a living wage. As it stands, the working poor are subsidizing US by having their labor exploited so we don't have to pay fair prices for the things we buy. We have to make up the difference (read: pay what we owe) somehow.
Who says individuals get to pick and choose what programs and areas of focus our tax funds go too? Since when did this become ok to do or request? I am forced to pay for policemen who milk overtime and don't prevent crime (locally). I am forced to pay for a federal budget with hands out billions to foreign nations or supports terror and wars throughout the world. You know why we can't force otherwise, because our system doesn't account nor couldn't support it.
Also, how come you don't seem to acknowledge the fact that the majority of people on benefits contribute to the system? In your fantasy land, do people just get free benefits for their entire life and never work or pay taxes? Please do discuss this fact because it's the elephant in the room.
Really, watching american idol is = to people receiving everybody else money without putting anything back into the system. Fat people do not recieve money also. You are terrible at analogys. A good analogy would be, Why am i forced to pay into a system that gives people money who don't contribute to the same system.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Who says individuals get to pick and choose what programs and areas of focus our tax funds go too? Since when did this become ok to do or request? I am forced to pay for policemen who milk overtime and don't prevent crime (locally). I am forced to pay for a federal budget with hands out billions to foreign nations or supports terror and wars throughout the world. You know why we can't force otherwise, because our system doesn't account nor couldn't support it.
Also, how come you don't seem to acknowledge the fact that the majority of people on benefits contribute to the system? In your fantasy land, do people just get free benefits for their entire life and never work or pay taxes? Please do discuss this fact because it's the elephant in the room.
It seems as if you don't have much to say anymore since you are now comparing welfare recipiants to polilce officers and military budget. If you don't see the benefits of police and military then this is a lost cause. Paying into the police system and military do have benefits of us, and if not us directly then provide help to the community. Also I like how you get all up in arms when I generalize people on welfare yet you generalize police as milking overtime??? Most people on welfare don't contribute, they pay nothing into the system they are taking from. And YES they do get free benefits for who knows how long, do you think people who are on welfare after 5 years suddenly get their life together??? Its no elephant, I at least have knowledge/work in my city with these people, and my wife does daily. You are basing your opinion on what experiences. Have you ever been to an inner city area?
WHy should I be FORCED to pay into the welfare program??? Once you can answer this, that will be your answer for why people on welfare (who are able) should be doing community service.
because it benefits your community, which is partly why you want people to do community service for welfare..................
But................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................They arent doing any community service..................................................................................
So whats your point?
so basicly your saying people on welfare should help your community but because you work you dont have to??
OK, I admit that I didn't read every single post but in skimming the thread, I see three major points:
1. Some welfare recipients should do more for society for the benefits they are given. (This is generally referred to as learned helplessness).
2. Many corporations should also do more for society for the benefits they are given. (In America, we've traded royal families for corporate oligarchies :x and many of them are getting away with WAY too much)
3. Community service is a win-win for all involved. (In many countries, this is a requirement becuase it teaches skills, provides a service to address an unmet need, and fosters a sense of community-that is a shared sense of interdependence).
You seem to be missing my points. It's called comparative examples.. an example in a different area with the same exact logic, rational and thought process. Going over your head I suppose.
Anyways, I am born and raised in a city with plenty of these problems, so I'm very familiar with lots of this stuff as well. Also, in terms of contributing to the system, how you can you possibly say people don't contribute? Unless a person doesn't EVER work or pay taxes or is on welfare their ENTIRE life, they contribute to the system. Perhaps they don't contribute while actually on welfare (that particular time frame), but that's not the same in any manner of saying they never contribute. I don't understand how you can claim otherwise.. it's quite incorrect. It works the same as car insurance or similar, you pay in and it's there when you have to draw on it. Not that hard to comprehend.
Who says individuals get to pick and choose what programs and areas of focus our tax funds go too? Since when did this become ok to do or request? I am forced to pay for policemen who milk overtime and don't prevent crime (locally). I am forced to pay for a federal budget with hands out billions to foreign nations or supports terror and wars throughout the world. You know why we can't force otherwise, because our system doesn't account nor couldn't support it.
Also, how come you don't seem to acknowledge the fact that the majority of people on benefits contribute to the system? In your fantasy land, do people just get free benefits for their entire life and never work or pay taxes? Please do discuss this fact because it's the elephant in the room.
It seems as if you don't have much to say anymore since you are now comparing welfare recipiants to polilce officers and military budget. If you don't see the benefits of police and military then this is a lost cause. Paying into the police system and military do have benefits of us, and if not us directly then provide help to the community. Also I like how you get all up in arms when I generalize people on welfare yet you generalize police as milking overtime??? Most people on welfare don't contribute, they pay nothing into the system they are taking from. And YES they do get free benefits for who knows how long, do you think people who are on welfare after 5 years suddenly get their life together??? Its no elephant, I at least have knowledge/work in my city with these people, and my wife does daily. You are basing your opinion on what experiences. Have you ever been to an inner city area?
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
OK, I admit that I didn't read every single post but in skimming the thread, I see three major points:
1. Some welfare recipients should do more for society for the benefits they are given. (This is generally referred to as learned helplessness).
2. Many corporations should also do more for society for the benefits they are given. (In America, we've traded royal families for corporate oligarchies :x and many of them are getting away with WAY too much)
3. Community service is a win-win for all involved. (In many countries, this is a requirement becuase it teaches skills, provides a service to address an unmet need, and fosters a sense of community-that is a shared sense of interdependence).
the word chosen... "oligarchies" or even "corporate oligarchies"
thank you
that is a great word
and thank you to dictionaries
Why wouldn't you want them to have opportunities for personal growth?
Why shouldn't they give back to the community?
Why can't they earn the respect that the working class has?
Why don't you want them to learn from new experiences?
Why do you only see negatives when the positives are so obvious?
Our society can change one person at a time, if we give them a chance to.
And community service is not considered a punishment when given by the courts.
It is an opportunity to stay out of jail or off probation by giving back to the community.
A sense of community can keep crime from happening.
Like I said, I don't usually (i don't ever) agree with Heidijam...
But he may be on to something.
I think it's important to realise not everyone abuses the system, and a lot of people need it, but some sort of community service component might not be a bad idea.
Why wouldn't you want them to have opportunities for personal growth?
Why shouldn't they give back to the community?
Why can't they earn the respect that the working class has?
Why don't you want them to learn from new experiences?
Why do you only see negatives when the positives are so obvious?
Our society can change one person at a time, if we give them a chance to.
And community service is not considered a punishment when given by the courts.
It is an opportunity to stay out of jail or off probation by giving back to the community.
A sense of community can keep crime from happening.
Like I said, I don't usually (i don't ever) agree with Heidijam...
But he may be on to something.
I think it's important to realise not everyone abuses the system, and a lot of people need it, but some sort of community service component might not be a bad idea.
Me too...In my opinion Heidijam is totally correct on this subject...
his posts and logic right on :thumbup:
when I was on unemployment, I was looking for a job AT LEAST 40 hours a week. That's why I only got paid for 3 weeks of unemployment... I found another job.
If I had to spend 30 hours per week doing community service, it may have taken me months to find a new job... or I just would have given up and not collected unemployment and taken a job well below my skills and education.
I should also point out, that I got paid a WHOPPING $600 for three weeks of unemployment. My fucking mortgage was 2x that.
edit: oh ha... welfare... unemployment... whats the diff? Give me a break plz I've had the flu.
Agreed... when I was looking for work, I was doing at LEAST 8 hours a day either applying for jobs online, registering with more recruitment agencies, sending application letters, etc, etc, etc. and many days I was out of the house the full day at interviews and travelling all over the place to get to them. Before each interview I did at LEAST a full day researching the company so I could be 100% familiar with it. Also having to find directions to each interview and figure out where I was going. So when I quite often had 3 different interviews a day (each in different towns and cities), I struggle to understand how I could have done my 30 hours a week community service :shock: I would have been dead!
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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My family needs to eat, my family needs shelter, my family needs education, my family needs safety. WHy is it alright to take the money I work for (that should be going to my family) and giving it to a group who do not give back to society. Why are you not asking for the poor to give back to society??? If they can't with money, why not with their time, since they are not working. A little money from peoples pay check could make all the difference. I don't have a hard on for the poor, I expect people to be responsible for THIER OWN LIVES... I know thats a hard concept to understand here at AMT.
And there but for the grace of God go I!
Congrats on your job and congrats on keeping your job. I'm glad you have that security in your job that you will never be laid off, that none of your family, god forbid, will be struck down by an expensive illness or be in an accident. There are many many unforseen circumstances that put people in such situations. You, in all your wisdom, do not help. You and people like you simply succeed in making those already down on their luck feel like a piece of shit. So... congrats! Maybe next time I'm laid off or down on my luck I'll simply break into your house and steal your hard earned stuff. If I don't have a job and have no money for food, I can't really see any other alternative as my family too needs to eat and needs shelter. Education and safety are simply luxuries in such a world.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Respectfully we were speaking of welfare not unemployment benefits and those who are able bodied receiving a monthly welfare check can give back to their communities by doing community service.
Respectfully we were speaking of welfare not unemployment benefits and those who are able bodied receiving a monthly welfare check can give back to their communities by doing community service.
but trying to find a job is often a full time job in itself! What's the difference between welfare and unemployment? It's easy to judge somebody you don't know and say what they can and can't do when the reality is sometimes quite different! :oops:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Respectfully we were speaking of welfare not unemployment benefits and those who are able bodied receiving a monthly welfare check can give back to their communities by doing community service.
but trying to find a job is often a full time job in itself! What's the difference between welfare and unemployment? It's easy to judge somebody you don't know and say what they can and can't do when the reality is sometimes quite different! :oops:
The difference is.... here in the states...when you are unemployed your previous employer paid into the fund on a state and federal level with taxes that is used to cover your unemployment.
And yes job hunting is full time!
In the thread also some here believe community service is a good thing for all people to do.
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Perhaps one solution is to give welfare recipients the choice to do some work and in return they recieve an increase in their payment or supermarket vouchers or something. The problem with that of course is that you don't want to make it too comfortable living like that because you want them to get back into work. But again if your on welfare and your able to work then you should be spending every day looking for work. Job hunting is a full time job itself I think.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Probably why our crime is one of the highest here in GA
and they just voted down the liquor sales on Sunday thing
talk about rights being taken away
actually we are living on less than that now...we live on our 401 k retirement money to help keep our biz afloat for the kids...loaning much of it to the biz.
And our house we bought in 96 ...the house next door sold for the same amount a couple years ago.
Can't sell ours so the nest egg is gone there.
What this govt /economy is doing to us hard working folk is a down right sin.
uh oh now I'm depressed
Cause I've been thinking I might apply for aid...and I'll do community service no problem
I've been paying in forever.
P.s. Don't be depressed dude...
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My son might not mind being on aid...he threatens all the time
my contradiction you missed...I said not working is not a good thing
but community services raises self esteem.
You also miss the point on the hard working people giving their money to provide for someone else. It would help to know that person cared enough to get off their duff and serve their community.
Hey you guys should get out of here and come listen to some music in the rate thread or timeless thread
It's Friday!!!!
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keeping the biz afloat for the kids. why?
they are all over printing?
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I am tired; my heart is
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no more forever."
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honest
My son is good at what he does but not many karat presses in the country. I think a dozen maybe. I'm not willing to take the chance on unemployment for him and his friends that work with us.
Besides it's good for him to work with his Pa.
Daughter is in school works with us making enough...more than she would anywhere else
to live on her own.
We'll see... you know me forever hopeful...maybe the economy will turn around and we will start making money like the 90's
hey maybe "they" will super inflate everything again so it looks like everything is fine
and sugar daddies and pretend prosperity
like you said it builds compassion... you think it a good thing you said.
if they take a little money from my check to help pay for that stuff, im good with that.
countries forgive debt to other countries all the time. that is huge dollars i'm assuming.
having a hard-on for the poor is ridiculous.
the system needs improvement. fact.
the system needs improvement globally. fact.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
So whats your point?
Also, how come you don't seem to acknowledge the fact that the majority of people on benefits contribute to the system? In your fantasy land, do people just get free benefits for their entire life and never work or pay taxes? Please do discuss this fact because it's the elephant in the room.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
so basicly your saying people on welfare should help your community but because you work you dont have to??
1. Some welfare recipients should do more for society for the benefits they are given. (This is generally referred to as learned helplessness).
2. Many corporations should also do more for society for the benefits they are given. (In America, we've traded royal families for corporate oligarchies :x and many of them are getting away with WAY too much)
3. Community service is a win-win for all involved. (In many countries, this is a requirement becuase it teaches skills, provides a service to address an unmet need, and fosters a sense of community-that is a shared sense of interdependence).
Anyways, I am born and raised in a city with plenty of these problems, so I'm very familiar with lots of this stuff as well. Also, in terms of contributing to the system, how you can you possibly say people don't contribute? Unless a person doesn't EVER work or pay taxes or is on welfare their ENTIRE life, they contribute to the system. Perhaps they don't contribute while actually on welfare (that particular time frame), but that's not the same in any manner of saying they never contribute. I don't understand how you can claim otherwise.. it's quite incorrect. It works the same as car insurance or similar, you pay in and it's there when you have to draw on it. Not that hard to comprehend.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
the word chosen... "oligarchies" or even "corporate oligarchies"
thank you
that is a great word
and thank you to dictionaries
carry on
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
But he may be on to something.
I think it's important to realise not everyone abuses the system, and a lot of people need it, but some sort of community service component might not be a bad idea.
his posts and logic right on :thumbup:
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Congrats on your job and congrats on keeping your job. I'm glad you have that security in your job that you will never be laid off, that none of your family, god forbid, will be struck down by an expensive illness or be in an accident. There are many many unforseen circumstances that put people in such situations. You, in all your wisdom, do not help. You and people like you simply succeed in making those already down on their luck feel like a piece of shit. So... congrats! Maybe next time I'm laid off or down on my luck I'll simply break into your house and steal your hard earned stuff. If I don't have a job and have no money for food, I can't really see any other alternative as my family too needs to eat and needs shelter. Education and safety are simply luxuries in such a world.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
And yes job hunting is full time!
In the thread also some here believe community service is a good thing for all people to do.