If people didn't whine like a bunch of 2 year olds over an extra $1.66 per month he wouldn't have had to make comments.
See, I find this as insulting as anything in this thread, but this sort of talk about members expressing their opinions is allowed? I hope this poster gets a warning from Kat as I did.
WOW!!! I could think of 10 more insulting things to say. The two year old comment is the kind of shit you hear on Sesame Street for Christ sake.
Tim is right there are assholes here. Of course he was defending the ass-kissers and in fact there are plenty of those here to.
Sometimes it can appear to those who have a negative view of the Ten Club, that they are the only ones capable of independent rational thought, and that defenders of the Ten Club must therefore be 'ass-kissers' or '10 Club apologists' - when often they may simply be adults with minds of their own who are perfectly satisfied customers.
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Tim is right there are assholes here. Of course he was defending the ass-kissers and in fact there are plenty of those here to.
Sometimes it can appear to those who have a positive view of the Ten Club, that they are the only ones capable of independent rational thought, and that criticizers of the Ten Club must therefore be 'whiners' or '10 Club haters - when often they may simply be adults with minds of their own who are not satisfied customers.
Tim is right there are assholes here. Of course he was defending the ass-kissers and in fact there are plenty of those here to.
Sometimes it can appear to those who have a positive view of the Ten Club, that they are the only ones capable of independent rational thought, and that criticizers of the Ten Club must therefore be 'whiners' or '10 Club haters - when often they may simply be adults with minds of their own who are not satisfied customers.
And it works both ways...
Indeed. The point I was making earlier was that I find it hard to imagine myself being as displeased with a business as some people here are, yet still being prepared to give them my money.
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Tim is right there are assholes here. Of course he was defending the ass-kissers and in fact there are plenty of those here to.
Sometimes it can appear to those who have a negative view of the Ten Club, that they are the only ones capable of independent rational thought, and that defenders of the Ten Club must therefore be 'ass-kissers' or '10 Club apologists' - when often they may simply be adults with minds of their own who are perfectly satisfied customers.
It is important to be capable of independent thought, but it is just as important to convey those thoughts with a bit of class!
Tim is right there are assholes here. Of course he was defending the ass-kissers and in fact there are plenty of those here to.
Sometimes it can appear to those who have a positive view of the Ten Club, that they are the only ones capable of independent rational thought, and that criticizers of the Ten Club must therefore be 'whiners' or '10 Club haters - when often they may simply be adults with minds of their own who are not satisfied customers.
And it works both ways...
Editing my quote?
sneaky.
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Sometimes it can appear to those who have a positive view of the Ten Club, that they are the only ones capable of independent rational thought, and that criticizers of the Ten Club must therefore be 'whiners' or '10 Club haters - when often they may simply be adults with minds of their own who are not satisfied customers.
And it works both ways...
Editing my quote?
sneaky.
Sorry, didn't mean to be sneaky, wanted to show the other side.
Sorry, didn't mean to be sneaky, wanted to show the other side.
Fair enough There *is* too much division round here along Ten Club liking or hating lines, and it gets in the way of discussing the music a lot of times! Frustrating.
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Indeed. The point I was making earlier was that I find it hard to imagine myself being as displeased with a business as some people here are, yet still being prepared to give them my money.
its a bit muddy because people confuse their feelings towards PJ with their feelings towards 10C... like I've already said before, they're two very different entities... some might not want to give 10C their money, yet they know it'll only hurt their chance to see PJ up close and have other PJ-related opportunities/items... kind of a catch 22... and all the more reason to be frustrated when a business move tries our patience/commitment
that being said, 10C should patiently deal with our complaining (without name calling), just as we are subject to anything they wish to do... a few dissenters is a small price to pay for all the money they get out of us each year
Sorry, didn't mean to be sneaky, wanted to show the other side.
That really isn't "the other side" though. The whiners were the ones who threw temper tantrums and repeated their complaint over and over and over again like a spoiled brat not getting their way. There was a few of them.
Certainly, most of the people who were unhappy with the change in membership, were articulate, respectful, and got their point across without being rude. They were not whiners at all.
Assholes are assholes though. If someone is being an asshole, it doesn't matter what side of a debate they are on.
Indeed. The point I was making earlier was that I find it hard to imagine myself being as displeased with a business as some people here are, yet still being prepared to give them my money.
its a bit muddy because people confuse their feelings towards PJ with their feelings towards 10C... like I've already said before, they're two very different entities... some might not want to give 10C their money, yet they know it'll only hurt their chance to see PJ up close and have other PJ-related opportunities/items... kind of a catch 22... and all the more reason to be frustrated when a business move tries our patience/commitment
that being said, 10C should patiently deal with our complaining (without name calling), just as we are subject to anything they wish to do... a few dissenters is a small price to pay for all the money they get out of us each year
hope i said that fairly/rationally enough
Very clear. Makes a lot of sense!
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...that being said, 10C should patiently deal with our complaining (without name calling)...
They have. Again, the asshole comment was never even remotely directed at folks who are unhappy with the membership change. That is the biggest thing people have gotten wrong with this whole Tim/asshole thing.
That really isn't "the other side" though. The whiners were the ones who threw temper tantrums and repeated their complaint over and over and over again like a spoiled brat not getting their way. There was a few of them.
Certainly, most of the people who were unhappy with the change in membership, were articulate, respectful, and got their point across without being rude. They were not whiners at all.
Assholes are assholes though. If someone is being an asshole, it doesn't matter what side of a debate they are on.
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anyways, if anyone is interested about the digital/analog memberships with previous renewal issue, i believe i got a response from 10C that clears it up.
anyone who renewed their membership prior to the change at $20 is a digital member going forth. so no, we are not grandfathered in, nor will 10C honor the terms of the old contract. so, no holiday single or hard copy of deep for the 2011 year. so, those of you that believe we will be getting just the single and deep are wrong.
i believe they waited after the holidays to announce this change as soon as the 2010 holiday single has passed. any new members/renewals apply for the 2011 single which will not be given to us unless we pay for the analog membership.
wrong.
i got an email from tenclub stating, "rest assured you will receive the deep magazine and holiday single for 2011."
anyways, if anyone is interested about the digital/analog memberships with previous renewal issue, i believe i got a response from 10C that clears it up.
anyone who renewed their membership prior to the change at $20 is a digital member going forth. so no, we are not grandfathered in, nor will 10C honor the terms of the old contract. so, no holiday single or hard copy of deep for the 2011 year. so, those of you that believe we will be getting just the single and deep are wrong.
i believe they waited after the holidays to announce this change as soon as the 2010 holiday single has passed. any new members/renewals apply for the 2011 single which will not be given to us unless we pay for the analog membership.
wrong.
i got an email from tenclub stating, "rest assured you will receive the deep magazine and holiday single for 2011."
See this is the stupid communication bs. Instead of making everyone email the 10C separately, just address the issue once and for all.
anyways, if anyone is interested about the digital/analog memberships with previous renewal issue, i believe i got a response from 10C that clears it up.
anyone who renewed their membership prior to the change at $20 is a digital member going forth. so no, we are not grandfathered in, nor will 10C honor the terms of the old contract. so, no holiday single or hard copy of deep for the 2011 year. so, those of you that believe we will be getting just the single and deep are wrong.
i believe they waited after the holidays to announce this change as soon as the 2010 holiday single has passed. any new members/renewals apply for the 2011 single which will not be given to us unless we pay for the analog membership.
wrong.
i got an email from tenclub stating, "rest assured you will receive the deep magazine and holiday single for 2011."
likewise.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
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let's clear something up. we won't be getting the 2011 single and mag till 2012, so I'm assuming you mean the 2010 single and deep mag that we will get in 2011? My membership isn't up for renewal until July, so even if I don't upgrade until the last possible second, I should still get 2010's single and mag in 2011, whenever they may come, as far as the mods have explained it. But I guess the confusion lies in that almost nobody's renewal date is January 1st.
anyways, if anyone is interested about the digital/analog memberships with previous renewal issue, i believe i got a response from 10C that clears it up.
anyone who renewed their membership prior to the change at $20 is a digital member going forth. so no, we are not grandfathered in, nor will 10C honor the terms of the old contract. so, no holiday single or hard copy of deep for the 2011 year. so, those of you that believe we will be getting just the single and deep are wrong.
i believe they waited after the holidays to announce this change as soon as the 2010 holiday single has passed. any new members/renewals apply for the 2011 single which will not be given to us unless we pay for the analog membership.
wrong.
i got an email from tenclub stating, "rest assured you will receive the deep magazine and holiday single for 2011."
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anyways, if anyone is interested about the digital/analog memberships with previous renewal issue, i believe i got a response from 10C that clears it up.
anyone who renewed their membership prior to the change at $20 is a digital member going forth. so no, we are not grandfathered in, nor will 10C honor the terms of the old contract. so, no holiday single or hard copy of deep for the 2011 year. so, those of you that believe we will be getting just the single and deep are wrong.
i believe they waited after the holidays to announce this change as soon as the 2010 holiday single has passed. any new members/renewals apply for the 2011 single which will not be given to us unless we pay for the analog membership.
wrong.
i got an email from tenclub stating, "rest assured you will receive the deep magazine and holiday single for 2011."
See this is the stupid communication bs. Instead of making everyone email the 10C separately, just address the issue once and for all.
Actually there is no communication bs. If you don't understand what is going on just email them or call them and they will answer your questions. Is it that hard to do?
Actually there is no communication bs. If you don't understand what is going on just email them or call them and they will answer your questions. Is it that hard to do?
My goodness.
wow. that's the smartest thing said in this thread!
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Actually there is no communication bs. If you don't understand what is going on just email them or call them and they will answer your questions. Is it that hard to do?
My goodness.
Actually I think there is. Wouldn't it be easier to just post the information here for all? Hell, it doesn't even effect me, but the number of people that have asked it is quite high. That's an example of how I think they could use this board to improve their communication and service.
My goodness? Please. Always trying to ride that high horse of yours.
I renewed as "analog" this week and got my code for a bootleg. Do you just pick one out of the goods section and then put the code in the coupon space at the checkout to redeem it?
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Actually there is no communication bs. If you don't understand what is going on just email them or call them and they will answer your questions. Is it that hard to do?
My goodness.
wow. that's the smartest thing said in this thread!
Must be some pretty dumb thing in this thread...oh wait, nevermind.
Actually there is no communication bs. If you don't understand what is going on just email them or call them and they will answer your questions. Is it that hard to do?
My goodness.
Actually I think there is. Wouldn't it be easier to just post the information here for all? Hell, it doesn't even effect me, but the number of people that have asked it is quite high. That's an example of how I think they could use this board to improve their communication and service.
My goodness? Please. Always trying to ride that high horse of yours.
It is posted in here, in fact numerous people have posted what the actual email replies from them were. If you don't feel like searching, email them yourself or call them and you will in fact get an answer too. It's that simple. It's honestly pretty simple to figure out. In fact, if you called them you could have had an answer in a shorter time than it took you to write this post.
I renewed as "analog" this week and got my code for a bootleg. Do you just pick one out of the goods section and then put the code in the coupon space at the checkout to redeem it?
my apologies if this has been answered,but i purchased 10 club membership on 12/17/2010.am i considered a digital or analog member? i want the physical copy of the single,etc. if i need to pay more,that's fine. just need to know my status. thanks for any assistance.
Actually there is no communication bs. If you don't understand what is going on just email them or call them and they will answer your questions. Is it that hard to do?
My goodness.
wow. that's the smartest thing said in this thread!
A) its not smart... its condescending oversimplification... not a single thing in this thread is as black and white as RM22 and others make it out to be... 10C doesn't get to be "a business" when they make a savvy business move and "just a fan club" when they ignore logical business procedure... not addressing common questions on their easily accessible fan forum is BAD BUSINESS and POOR COMMUNICATION... I don't mean to attack 10C... just constructive criticism... the double standard around here is laughable
you yourself just had questions regarding the same topic... RIGHT ABOVE this brilliant post... if someone would update the original thread with answers to these VERY common question then a lot of time could be saved for the fans AND the club... no need for people to dig through this thread for answers or email and wait a day for a response
my apologies if this has been answered,but i purchased 10 club membership on 12/17/2010.am i considered a digital or analog member? i want the physical copy of the single,etc. if i need to pay more,that's fine. just need to know my status. thanks for any assistance.
Hey shrewshandle,
Your best bet on an official answer is to email <!-- e --><a href="mailto:info@tenclub.net">info@tenclub.net</a><!-- e -->. I would guess that you'll get the analog for 2011, though.
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There isn't anything unfair at all in this change, in my opinion.
but in other peoples opinions there is. what the problem here is the people who in their opinion think there is nothing wrong with it jumping down the throats of those who do. people have stated their reasons for why they think it's a bad change, people have stated why they think it's not. everyone is just saying the same shit and not listening to anyone else. which is all that ever happens round here. even the people saying try and be positive and stop whinging are themselves being negative and whinging.
this is getting way beyond a fucking joke you are not right for thinking the changes are good, others aren't right for thinking the changes are bad. if people can see value in paying double to get a shirt and boot good on them. if others also think the $20 option is bullshit well good on them and it's their right to think that, no matter how many times people say it's only 2 cents a day or a couple dollars a month ain't gonna change the way people feel.
everyone needs to get the fuck over themselves and realise that they are no better then anyone else around here.
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WOW!!! I could think of 10 more insulting things to say. The two year old comment is the kind of shit you hear on Sesame Street for Christ sake.
Sometimes it can appear to those who have a negative view of the Ten Club, that they are the only ones capable of independent rational thought, and that defenders of the Ten Club must therefore be 'ass-kissers' or '10 Club apologists' - when often they may simply be adults with minds of their own who are perfectly satisfied customers.
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And it works both ways...
Indeed. The point I was making earlier was that I find it hard to imagine myself being as displeased with a business as some people here are, yet still being prepared to give them my money.
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It is important to be capable of independent thought, but it is just as important to convey those thoughts with a bit of class!
Editing my quote?
sneaky.
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Sorry, didn't mean to be sneaky, wanted to show the other side.
Fair enough
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that being said, 10C should patiently deal with our complaining (without name calling), just as we are subject to anything they wish to do... a few dissenters is a small price to pay for all the money they get out of us each year
hope i said that fairly/rationally enough
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Certainly, most of the people who were unhappy with the change in membership, were articulate, respectful, and got their point across without being rude. They were not whiners at all.
Assholes are assholes though. If someone is being an asshole, it doesn't matter what side of a debate they are on.
Very clear. Makes a lot of sense!
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wrong.
i got an email from tenclub stating, "rest assured you will receive the deep magazine and holiday single for 2011."
See this is the stupid communication bs. Instead of making everyone email the 10C separately, just address the issue once and for all.
likewise.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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Actually there is no communication bs. If you don't understand what is going on just email them or call them and they will answer your questions. Is it that hard to do?
My goodness.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
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wow. that's the smartest thing said in this thread!
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Actually I think there is. Wouldn't it be easier to just post the information here for all? Hell, it doesn't even effect me, but the number of people that have asked it is quite high. That's an example of how I think they could use this board to improve their communication and service.
My goodness? Please. Always trying to ride that high horse of yours.
Must be some pretty dumb thing in this thread...oh wait, nevermind.
It is posted in here, in fact numerous people have posted what the actual email replies from them were. If you don't feel like searching, email them yourself or call them and you will in fact get an answer too. It's that simple. It's honestly pretty simple to figure out. In fact, if you called them you could have had an answer in a shorter time than it took you to write this post.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
Yep.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
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Hey shrewshandle,
Your best bet on an official answer is to email <!-- e --><a href="mailto:info@tenclub.net">info@tenclub.net</a><!-- e -->. I would guess that you'll get the analog for 2011, though.
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Xcel Energy Center - Jun 27, 2006
United Center - Aug 23, 2009
Xcel Energy Center - Oct 19, 2014
Xcel Energy Center - August 31, 2023
Xcel Energy Center - September 2, 2023
but in other peoples opinions there is. what the problem here is the people who in their opinion think there is nothing wrong with it jumping down the throats of those who do. people have stated their reasons for why they think it's a bad change, people have stated why they think it's not. everyone is just saying the same shit and not listening to anyone else. which is all that ever happens round here. even the people saying try and be positive and stop whinging are themselves being negative and whinging.
this is getting way beyond a fucking joke you are not right for thinking the changes are good, others aren't right for thinking the changes are bad. if people can see value in paying double to get a shirt and boot good on them. if others also think the $20 option is bullshit well good on them and it's their right to think that, no matter how many times people say it's only 2 cents a day or a couple dollars a month ain't gonna change the way people feel.
everyone needs to get the fuck over themselves and realise that they are no better then anyone else around here.