** TEN CLUB ANALOG AND DIGITAL MEMBERSHIPS **

Kat

threefish10 wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

There isn't anything unfair at all in this change, in my opinion.

but in other peoples opinions there is. what the problem here is the people who in their opinion think there is nothing wrong with it jumping down the throats of those who do. people have stated their reasons for why they think it's a bad change, people have stated why they think it's not. everyone is just saying the same shit and not listening to anyone else. which is all that ever happens round here. even the people saying try and be positive and stop whinging are themselves being negative and whinging.

this is getting way beyond a fucking joke you are not right for thinking the changes are good, others aren't right for thinking the changes are bad. if people can see value in paying double to get a shirt and boot good on them. if others also think the $20 option is bullshit well good on them and it's their right to think that, no matter how many times people say it's only 2 cents a day or a couple dollars a month ain't gonna change the way people feel.

everyone needs to get the fuck over themselves and realise that they are no better then anyone else around here.

This isn't helping anything to tell people to get the fuck over themselves. See the Posting Guidelines and follow them please.

Admin

threefish10

Kat wrote:

This isn't helping anything to tell people to get the fuck over themselves. See the Posting Guidelines and follow them please.

Admin

ha, being Australian we swear alot. but it's true, everyone needs to get over themselves. no one's opinion is more valid then anyone else's or more right and wrong. that's pretty much all the last 60 or so pages come down to. the same people saying the same things over and over, from both sides.

ZiggyStar

threefish10 wrote:

being Australian we swear alot.

This Australian sure as hell doesn't swear much at all!!

I agree with you fishy....same crap over and over. Going nowhere. Just lock the stupid thread already. If I'd started it, it would have been locked days ago.

FrankBauer

Music For Rhinos wrote:

wrong.

i got an email from tenclub stating, "rest assured you will receive the deep magazine and holiday single for 2011."

i renewed my membership in december prior to the change even though my membership wasn't up until jan. this is my email from 10C when i asked to clarify whether or not i would receive the 2011 single.

"Your Jan 25 2010-2011 fall under the old system. Your Jan 25 2011-2012 and Jan 2012-2013 fall under the new 2011 system at the $20 level. Therefore you will get the 2010 single, but you will not get any more singles after that one.

If you want to be switched to analog let us know and we’ll combine your 2 $20 payments into 1 year ($40) of Analog membership. This will ensure you get the 2011 single. Just let us know.

Best,
10c"

anyone else get anything different?

SoonForgotten2

FrankBauer wrote:

Music For Rhinos wrote:

wrong.

i got an email from tenclub stating, "rest assured you will receive the deep magazine and holiday single for 2011."

i renewed my membership in december prior to the change even though my membership wasn't up until jan. this is my email from 10C when i asked to clarify whether or not i would receive the 2011 single.

"Your Jan 25 2010-2011 fall under the old system. Your Jan 25 2011-2012 and Jan 2012-2013 fall under the new 2011 system at the $20 level. Therefore you will get the 2010 single, but you will not get any more singles after that one.

If you want to be switched to analog let us know and we’ll combine your 2 $20 payments into 1 year ($40) of Analog membership. This will ensure you get the 2011 single. Just let us know.

Best,
10c"

anyone else get anything different?

To me, this is the worst thing 10C has done. The prices can be argued day and night but I don't know how anyone can justify 10C changing the terms for what was paid for. If theyu did not intend to honour their end they should have never taken payment for multi-year renewals. In the more extreme cases they have taken the money upfront, collected the interest and are now asking for more money from members in order to retain the rights to what they had already paid for. That's shameful business.

Kilgore_Trout

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

To me, this is the worst thing 10C has done. The prices can be argued day and night but I don't know how anyone can justify 10C changing the terms for what was paid for. If theyu did not intend to honour their end they should have never taken payment for multi-year renewals. In the more extreme cases they have taken the money upfront, collected the interest and are now asking for more money from members in order to retain the rights to what they had already paid for. That's shameful business.

yah i'm surprised i haven't seen anyone upset about this... seems sketchy as hell... i wonder what 10C's counter would be if someone actually held their feet to the fire

if nothing else the upgrade fee should be less than $20... like $20 less the cost of the vinyl and mag... probably $10 or 15

crazygeo

SoonForgotten2 wrote:
To me, this is the worst thing 10C has done. The prices can be argued day and night but I don't know how anyone can justify 10C changing the terms for what was paid for. If theyu did not intend to honour their end they should have never taken payment for multi-year renewals. In the more extreme cases they have taken the money upfront, collected the interest and are now asking for more money from members in order to retain the rights to what they had already paid for. That's shameful business.
yah i'm surprised i haven't seen anyone upset about this... seems sketchy as hell... i wonder what 10C's counter would be if someone actually held their feet to the fire

if nothing else the upgrade fee should be less than $20... like $20 less the cost of the vinyl and mag... probably $10 or 15

As a fan of this band from almost the beginning in 1990, in Phila. suburbs. I have grown to respect, appreciate and overall have been happy with the 10 Club and all of it's benefits. It does sadden me, in a sort of not way, of all the issues this has opposed to the pearl jam family.......

it just goes to show that all the capitalistic greed that alot of grunge bands were ALL AGAINST has maybe bitten the hand that feeds them, with some...

Either way I am in on anything Pearl jam does...and to the rest...NO WAY

FrankBauer

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

To me, this is the worst thing 10C has done. The prices can be argued day and night but I don't know how anyone can justify 10C changing the terms for what was paid for. If theyu did not intend to honour their end they should have never taken payment for multi-year renewals. In the more extreme cases they have taken the money upfront, collected the interest and are now asking for more money from members in order to retain the rights to what they had already paid for. That's shameful business.

im with you on this. they permitted multi-year renewals, and the the way the ship is run here for this board, you follow the rules as a member and agree to the 10C terms. these rules are closely monitored and enforced by the admin. if anything, the membership can be considered a contract. and we paid before the change, so we should be grandfathered into the old benefits.

aNiMaL

FrankBauer wrote:

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

To me, this is the worst thing 10C has done. The prices can be argued day and night but I don't know how anyone can justify 10C changing the terms for what was paid for. If theyu did not intend to honour their end they should have never taken payment for multi-year renewals. In the more extreme cases they have taken the money upfront, collected the interest and are now asking for more money from members in order to retain the rights to what they had already paid for. That's shameful business.

im with you on this. they permitted multi-year renewals, and the the way the ship is run here for this board, you follow the rules as a member and agree to the 10C terms. these rules are closely monitored and enforced by the admin. if anything, the membership can be considered a contract. and we paid before the change, so we should be grandfathered into the old benefits.

For anyone and everyone who thinks they have a legal case against the Ten Club because of whatever reasons, really should familiarize yourselves with the Ten Clubs legal disclaimer: http://www.pearljam.com/content/legal-disclaimer

Oz Jammer

FrankBauer wrote:

SoonForgotten2 wrote:

To me, this is the worst thing 10C has done. The prices can be argued day and night but I don't know how anyone can justify 10C changing the terms for what was paid for. If theyu did not intend to honour their end they should have never taken payment for multi-year renewals. In the more extreme cases they have taken the money upfront, collected the interest and are now asking for more money from members in order to retain the rights to what they had already paid for. That's shameful business.

im with you on this. they permitted multi-year renewals, and the the way the ship is run here for this board, you follow the rules as a member and agree to the 10C terms. these rules are closely monitored and enforced by the admin. if anything, the membership can be considered a contract. and we paid before the change, so we should be grandfathered into the old benefits.

We really have no way of arguing this fact due to the email I received last year while renewing my membership.

member number 263xxx.
Expiration Date Wed Nov 21 00:00:00 PST 2012.
Welcome to the Ten Club

We have received your membership/renewal fee and you are now officially
geared up to receive all of the Ten Club benefits throughout the upcoming
year with Pearl Jam.

You will enjoy:

-Newsletter
-An Annual Gift
-Contest Eligibility
-Exclusive Merchandise and Ticketing Offers
-And any other cool PJ staples that we may come across.

In the past we have done our best to provide each member with access to
tickets and tour information. We expect to provide you with the same
privilege in the future, if, and when Pearl Jam plays in your neck of the
woods. But please understand if we are unable to guarantee this service.

If at any time, you have a change of address, would like more information
about the Ten Club, or have a problem wth your membership, please feel free
to contact us at our email address: <!-- e --><a href="mailto:INFO@TENCLUB.NET">INFO@TENCLUB.NET</a><!-- e -->, or give us a buzz at
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For more information on the Ten Club and member benefits go to
http://pearljam.com/tenclub/

Check out cool Pearl Jam merchandise at http://pearljam.com/goods/. You can
also Log In from this page and check your membership status, change your
password and update your contact information.

To print your personal membership card click here:
http://pearljam.com/i/tenclub/TCCARD.pdf


At no point does it mention physical copies of both the newsletter or annual gift.

JK109224

If you renewed for multiple years recently, and you can't get the upgrade, that's rubbish.

aNiMaL

JK109224 wrote:

If you renewed for multiple years recently, and you can't get the upgrade, that's rubbish.

http://www.pearljam.com/content/legal-disclaimer

"THE INFORMATION, PRODUCTS, AND SERVICES INCLUDED IN OR AVAILABLE THROUGH THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES MAY INCLUDE INACCURACIES OR TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS. CHANGES ARE PERIODICALLY MADE TO THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES AND TO THE INFORMATION THEREIN. TEN CLUB AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND/OR CHANGES IN THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES AT ANY TIME. ADVICE RECEIVED VIA THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES SHOULD NOT BE RELIED UPON FOR PERSONAL, MEDICAL, LEGAL OR FINANCIAL DECISIONS AND YOU SHOULD CONSULT AN APPROPRIATE PROFESSIONAL FOR SPECIFIC ADVICE TAILORED TO YOUR SITUATION."

Kilgore_Trout

aNiMaL wrote:

JK109224 wrote:

If you renewed for multiple years recently, and you can't get the upgrade, that's rubbish.

http://www.pearljam.com/content/legal-disclaimer

"THE INFORMATION, PRODUCTS, AND SERVICES INCLUDED IN OR AVAILABLE THROUGH THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES MAY INCLUDE INACCURACIES OR TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS. CHANGES ARE PERIODICALLY MADE TO THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES AND TO THE INFORMATION THEREIN. TEN CLUB AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND/OR CHANGES IN THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES AT ANY TIME. ADVICE RECEIVED VIA THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES SHOULD NOT BE RELIED UPON FOR PERSONAL, MEDICAL, LEGAL OR FINANCIAL DECISIONS AND YOU SHOULD CONSULT AN APPROPRIATE PROFESSIONAL FOR SPECIFIC ADVICE TAILORED TO YOUR SITUATION."

awfully dodgy language there, friend... "improvements and/or changes to 10C services" does not imply anything about pricing... im no legal expert but would something that vague actually protect them? more importantly would anyone actually sue a fan club? :P

based on what i read in those disclaimers (and i was bored enough to read the whole thing) 10C isn't responsible for ANYTHING

aNiMaL

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

aNiMaL wrote:

JK109224 wrote:

If you renewed for multiple years recently, and you can't get the upgrade, that's rubbish.

http://www.pearljam.com/content/legal-disclaimer

"THE INFORMATION, PRODUCTS, AND SERVICES INCLUDED IN OR AVAILABLE THROUGH THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES MAY INCLUDE INACCURACIES OR TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS. CHANGES ARE PERIODICALLY MADE TO THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES AND TO THE INFORMATION THEREIN. TEN CLUB AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND/OR CHANGES IN THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES AT ANY TIME. ADVICE RECEIVED VIA THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES SHOULD NOT BE RELIED UPON FOR PERSONAL, MEDICAL, LEGAL OR FINANCIAL DECISIONS AND YOU SHOULD CONSULT AN APPROPRIATE PROFESSIONAL FOR SPECIFIC ADVICE TAILORED TO YOUR SITUATION."

awfully dodgy language there, friend... "improvements and/or changes to 10C services" does not imply anything about pricing... im no legal expert but would something that vague actually protect them? more importantly would anyone actually sue a fan club? :P

based on what i read in those disclaimers (and i was bored enough to read the whole thing) 10C isn't responsible for ANYTHING

I really like the fact that you are not supposed to take the medical advise here seriously.

Kilgore_Trout

aNiMaL wrote:

I really like the fact that you are not supposed to take the medical advise here seriously.

or say anything sexually explicit

Jerome230

"...IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES, OR WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO DISCONTINUE USING THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES."

strummers

Kilgore_Trout

I LOVE your avatar!

Jo

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

some political leader that has a big effect on our everyday lives!...this is not a knock on Tim! This is a great community of people with a common interest, .

I'll drink to that.

Sian-of-the-dead

I'm really not fussed by this. My hubby-to-be and I are both members and currently we get TWO vinyls and TWO Deep mags. I know for a fact that I will be buying the Analogue membership and he'll buy the Digital... it works out well for us... and the way I sees it, it's a pretty standard price that amount of membership perks.

Lizard

Sian-of-the-dead wrote:

I'm really not fussed by this. My hubby-to-be and I are both members and currently we get TWO vinyls and TWO Deep mags. I know for a fact that I will be buying the Analogue membership and he'll buy the Digital... it works out well for us... and the way I sees it, it's a pretty standard price that amount of membership perks.

That's how we're doing it.

:wave: