Sponsored by No One Tour 1995. Sponsored by Verizon Tour 2008.

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  • Posts: 2,558
    Crazy Mark wrote:
    I did not realize Verizon was the tour sponsor. Is that the case or is this like using I-Tunes to download music. That would make a big difference. The rules have changed too btw. It is 2008 and shit is not good
    it's like using iTunes to download music...only partially free. but some people here are getting carried away and starting 42 threads about how pearl jam has sold their soul to the devil...
  • Posts: 4,906
    High Fidelity 2000 wrote:
    Ed's encore speech at San Diego, 6-5-03.

    "You know, this is ridiculous and it's been on my mind all night. I thought this is ridiculous to talk about at a show or a concert, but I just have to talk about it. Are you willing to...

    You know I find this one kind of artist, singer, something or other poet actress, whatever, fascinating. This person fascinating. And her name is Jewel. (laughs, cheers)

    And for me I'm anticipating her next record so highly I can barely think of anything else. So when I mess up a lyric or I do...it's because I just can't wait for this new Jewel record to come out you see. It's an obsession.

    But here's the great news I found out today. That before it even comes out her song, one of her, some...this song, can't wait to hear it. It's actually gonna be I'm not even gonna have to...it's gonna be part of a commercial for uh I think ladies' razors or some other feminine hygiene product (scattered boos)...

    So I am just so excited because I don't even have to download anything...I can just watch TV and wait for the commercial. I'm so excited! Wow!

    And it's not like ya know, it reminded me of this offer that we turned down. But the best one that we got was for Viagra. And it was a...they showed us these little story boards and it was a singing penis. A little singing cock singing I'M STILL ALIVE. It was really cool. (cheers)

    Six Million dollars we turned down to prevent our song to prevent our song to be sung by a cock.

    Alright, I'm gonna...if I can forget about Jewel and cocks and something for a second, I'd like to play a song... um and it's uh, I mentioned the Who before and it's a rarity. And uh, sing it for Pete who's my hero." (goes into Blue, Red, and Grey on ukulele)

    So maybe Ed saw how well the memory of The Who did selling out with all their music in countless commercials... It all makes sense now!

    Remember when Pearl Jam almost canceled a concert in 2000 because the venue had Dodge billboards on the stage? (or something like that)

    Wow.

    Remember the first time they played Letterman? It's cause it was a commercial free show. From then it turned into their regular talk show circuit, and all the performances have been awesome. Remember all Ed's on stage jokes and speeches about American Idol and Sheryl Crow etc?

    I never called Pearl Jam a sell out. Ever. Not when they began using ticketmaster again in '98 (they had to), not when they signed with J Records for Avocado (really, who cares), not when they made videos, not when they played on SNL with Lindsay Lohan, not when they made everyone line up at Tower Records to try to get into a free show, not ever. All of those were logical, common, business and music moves from a band that wanted to let people they're out there.

    But, I am afraid, this is Pearl Jam's first Sell Out move.

    Perhaps just another Who tribute....

    When you put a company's name next to your band's name, you officially have a sponsor. Rolling Stones and Sprint. The Police and Best Buy. Tons more I can't even think of.

    Congratulations, Pearl Jam. The 2008 Verizon Tour. This was not done "By fan's request." This was done as part of a bad business deal. Not sure how they got suckered into this one, but it stinks.

    Pearl Jam... This Note's For You!

    Pretty sad that you had such a great introduction to such a pathetic post. Did you not read it correctly? you are offered one FREE song and have the OPTION to buy 2 more songs from each show. name ONE band or anything from the absolute rip-off corporation that is Verizon where you are allowed something for free. Its not like its buy 2 songs get one free, its get one song free, and buy 2 more if you want. Even when Pearl Jam "sells out", they do it for the fans. Not to mention they are making it charitable by allowing you to donate old phones at the concerts.

    If anything, this verizon deal made me more proud to be a PJ fan.
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  • Posts: 14,116
    Crazy Mark wrote:
    I did not realize Verizon was the tour sponsor. Is that the case or is this like using I-Tunes to download music. That would make a big difference. The rules have changed too btw. It is 2008 and shit is not good


    I dont think it is. OP is just wrong.
  • Posts: 1,424
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Like American Idol with no substance? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?!?!?!

    Read more carefully and lay off the speed.
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  • Posts: 2,759
    12345AGNST1 wrote:

    If anything, this verizon deal made me more proud to be a PJ fan.

    If they are the tour sponsers as well I totally disagree. Things have changed the past 4-5 years. I'm still going to enjoy the shows - but when hear lyrics like soon forget....well perhaps not the same.

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  • Posts: 1,952
    sgossard3 wrote:
    the option to get the physical CD this tour definitely outweights the negative of this whole verizon option... and its not like verizon will have anything to do with the shows themselves as theyre happening (as far as i understand)... itll just be after the fact to get the music to fans (with fancy phones :D)

    Sort of what I was thinking. Plus can you imagine how hard the 10club servers would crash if they tried to do downloads through their own site. Half the time they can barely handle poster sales.
  • Posts: 270
    I'm new here... but I would suggest things like

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=286884&highlight=pirate

    are part of the reason, since there's no longer any money to be made in record sales.
  • Posts: 16,993
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Read more carefully and lay off the speed.

    dammit MatthewJoesph, I did read it carefully and the capitalization was to create the effect that I was yelling, not talking quickly.

    here's the post in question that I didn't read carefully enough:
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Actually it can. It makes everything feel so superficial. Like American Idol. No substance.

    I don't feel that way about Pearl Jam, though.

    so I guess you're saying that I didn't comment on how it'll feel "superficial" like American Idol. Well, American Idol isn't superficial because of sponsors or advertising, as you're suggesting that PJ sponsored by Verizon will. American Idol is superficial with no substance because it's just people doing karaoke and for some reason, those people get the national attention that actual artists deserve.
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  • Posts: 94
    There are some really angry people here that say some ridiculous things. When I first read about the 2008 bootlegs I thought it was positive and exciting. I really did not see it as an integrity or sell out issue. Maybe some people do not realize that almost everything that the band does other that play music is done by a company. It is business. Maybe unicef should start a band
  • Posts: 1,424
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    so I guess you're saying that I didn't comment on how it'll feel "superficial" like American Idol. Well, American Idol isn't superficial because of sponsors or advertising, as you're suggesting that PJ sponsored by Verizon will. American Idol is superficial with no substance because it's just people doing karaoke and for some reason, those people get the national attention that actual artists deserve.

    I don't feel that way about Pearl Jam, I feel that way about watching sports that are over sponsored. The feeling I get while doing that is comparable to the feeling I get while watching American Idol.
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  • Posts: 7,762
    High Fidelity 2000 wrote:
    When you put a company's name next to your band's name, you officially have a sponsor. Rolling Stones and Sprint. The Police and Best Buy. Tons more I can't even think of.

    Who says they are putting their name next to Verizon's? They are just using a Verizon product to disseminate their music.

    I don't see what the big fucking deal is.

    If it had been Billy Bob's Cell Phone company, would you have felt better?
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  • Posts: 7,762
    Crazy Mark wrote:
    I did not realize Verizon was the tour sponsor. Is that the case or is this like using I-Tunes to download music. That would make a big difference. The rules have changed too btw. It is 2008 and shit is not good

    Verizon isn't sponsoring the fuckin' tour ... I don't know wtf the original poster if fucking talking about.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Posts: 16,993
    MattyJoe wrote:
    I don't feel that way about Pearl Jam, I feel that way about watching sports that are over sponsored. The feeling I get while doing that is comparable to the feeling I get while watching American Idol.

    okay so I missed the part where you said that you don't feel that way about Pearl Jam. It's not like I read it carefully or anything.
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    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • Posts: 7,762
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:


    so I guess you're saying that I didn't comment on how it'll feel "superficial" like American Idol. Well, American Idol isn't superficial because of sponsors or advertising, as you're suggesting that PJ sponsored by Verizon will.

    What he's talking about is you keep ignoring the part of his post where he says he doesn't feel that way about Pearl Jam, though.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Posts: 16,993
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Verizon isn't sponsoring the fuckin' tour ... I don't know wtf the original poster if fucking talking about.

    yeah all they're doing together is "mobile bootlegs" or whatever.

    for some people, phones with internet use have replaced computers. when PJ first started with the digital bootlegs on their website, they were ahead of the curve. people who get their music from V-Cast or whatever it is will probably make use of it.
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • Posts: 16,993
    slightofjeff wrote:
    What he's talking about is you keep ignoring the part of his post where he says he doesn't feel that way about Pearl Jam, though.

    yes, I've acknowledged this. my mistake.
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    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • Posts: 7,249
    Interesting Point.

    I know i have the 94 atlanta boot and Ed makes a big deal about saying something like:

    "Well we don't have to thank any sponsors because we dont' have any fuckin sponsors"

    Seems like the band cared a lot about that before i guess not as much now.
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  • Posts: 7,762
    intodeep wrote:
    Interesting Point.

    I know i have the 94 atlanta boot and Ed makes a big deal about saying something like:

    "Well we don't have to thank any sponsors because we dont' have any fuckin sponsors"

    Seems like the band cared a lot about that before i guess not as much now.

    For God's sake. They still don't have any sponsors. Where are you people getting this stuff?
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Posts: 7,334
    intodeep wrote:
    Interesting Point.

    I know i have the 94 atlanta boot and Ed makes a big deal about saying something like:

    "Well we don't have to thank any sponsors because we dont' have any fuckin sponsors"

    Seems like the band cared a lot about that before i guess not as much now.
    IMO its almost more gimmicky to make a point of saying that you DONT have sponsors... that was in fashion back then in the "grunge" circle... so werent they just doing what was cool back then? their intentions now with this "sponsor" seems more sincere and considerate of the fans than their old actions and words... its still being carefully moderated and controlled by the band and itll never take away from the music
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  • Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    slightofjeff wrote:
    For God's sake. They still don't have any sponsors. Where are you people getting this stuff?

    It's pretty hilarious really.

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