Sponsored by No One Tour 1995. Sponsored by Verizon Tour 2008.

meme

I think you have a point. However, I trust the band to make the best decisions under the circumstances. Or at least decisions in relatively good faith. And honestly, if it helps with Ed getting off his fucking high horse and disparage random artists from the comfort of the stage, then be it.

High Fidelity 2000 wrote:

Integrity. The band used to have it.

Flame on, fuckers. You know it's true.

moses562

Clicking into this thread was sort of a buzz kill... who cares... 1995 isn't 2008... People change... bands change... situations change... everything changes.

Mike Gossard

Everyone in the world has to kiss the corporate ass sometimes. I dont like wal mart. Do the have great prices? Hell yeah they do, cause its a free market and money is tight right now. Do you have a job with a corporation? Probably. Whether it's Verizon, Safeway, U-haul, Subway, or Tampax. Corporate sponsorship probably helps the band out with the bills. If someone wanted to pay for my gas say and put a magnetic logo on both sides and the back side of my car, but my gas was free, I would sure as hell let them.

I dont see this as that big a slap in the face if it helps bring the band to the fans. Now play AZ please. I'll even swtich my cell phone to verizon at the show.

homeratbat

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

objection your honor! Relevance?

he is comparing 03 to 08 tour and shit changes in 5 years...you've read this thread right?

Mike Gossard

I will be seing Chris Cornell's corporate ass this fall too.

Ledbetterman10

homeratbat wrote:

he is comparing 03 to 08 tour and shit changes in 5 years...you've read this thread right?

yeah I know

All Those Yesterdays

Indian Summer wrote:

Do us all a favor and don't go to any shows. That way we'll all be closer to the stage.

Second this!

nfanel

so i get home and see this thread is still going strong? :rolleyes:

verizon is not sponsoring this tour. how anyone surmised that out of the announcement about the bootlegs is still beyond me.

the point of mentioning verizon is because people with verizon phones are the ones that will be able to receive this download. end of story.

my god, you people know how to blow things out of proportion.

Kel Varnsen

meme wrote:

And honestly, if it helps with Ed getting off his fucking high horse and disparage random artists from the comfort of the stage, then be it.

That is actually a pretty good point. It is pretty easy to bash another artist when you are on a stage in front of thousands of your own fans. Kind of a low class thing to do too I think especially since what Jewel does with her songs is no one's business but her own.

slightofjeff

Kel Varnsen wrote:

That is actually a pretty good point. It is pretty easy to bash another artist when you are on a stage in front of thousands of your own fans. Kind of a low class thing to do too I think especially since what Jewel does with her songs is no one's business but her own.

Eh ... I actually think Ed is pretty fucking hilarious.

Kilgore_Trout

Mike Gossard wrote:

I will be seing Chris Cornell's corporate ass this fall too.

that ass looks DAMN good in his designer jeans tho

ill see whatever talented corporates asses wanna visit chicago!

speaking of asses... my buddy told me the smashing pumpkins are doing a chicago show sometime this summer to mark there 20th (?) anniversary... anyone hear anything about this?

Vedd Hedd

As far as I know, verzion didnt buy naming rights for the tour, like Best Buy did for the Stones.

Pearl Jam just partnered with them for downloads. The 10C, as far as I know, isnt operating a phone company at the moment.

aNiMaL

Times are different. I understand the shock and awe of them with Verizon. A year or two ago Ed laid out the possibilities of a sponsor, as much as he also was and I am sure is against it, it is necessary to make some money.

Sure, 13 years ago when the fan base was up, record sales were up, and the cost of living was way down, they could do without. But none of those things are true anymore, and I am quite sure it costs a very shiny, pretty penny to tour even just one coast.

Not excusing it, just maybe reasoning it. And possibly there still will be no Verizon banner hanging behind the stage...as others have said, the "tour" is not sponsored by Verizon, just the downloads for the Verizon phones.

Vedd Hedd

sgossard3 wrote:

that ass looks DAMN good in his designer jeans tho

ill see whatever talented corporates asses wanna visit chicago!

speaking of asses... my buddy told me the smashing pumpkins are doing a chicago show sometime this summer to mark there 20th (?) anniversary... anyone hear anything about this?

I never realized you were in Champaign-Urbana.

And that you were a girl.



I did not hear anything about the Smashing Pumpkins shows.

Kilgore_Trout

Vedd Hedd wrote:

I never realized you were in Champaign-Urbana.

And that you were a girl.



I did not hear anything about the Smashing Pumpkins shows.

who said i was a girl?? was it the "DAMN good ass" comment? or all the smiley faces i use in my posts? cause i can do both in a manly fashion because im secure with my sexuality....

but yes... i go to school at U of I

Vedd Hedd

sgossard3 wrote:

who said i was a girl?? was it the "DAMN good ass" comment? or all the smiley faces i use in my posts? cause i can do both in a manly fashion because im secure with my sexuality....

but yes... i go to school at U of I

Oh man!

Just assumed from the damn good ass comment

Go Illini.

samnation

I'm sure Pearl Jam has heard the term "sell-out" from day one. Didn't Kurt Cobain call them corporate rock way back when they first hit? But I see this Verizon deal as nothing more than a simple one-off distribution deal. This time it's just mobile downloads instead of CDs. And in fact Verizon is only getting a small fraction of what will be offered to the fans directly from the band themselves through the 2008 bootlegs. Bootlegs that are coming directly from Pearl Jam, no record label, no third party.

If I were a band and I wanted more people to hear my music (not just core fans but new fans too), in 2008 it makes a lot of sense to distribute some music with a mobile carrier instead of a record label. CD sales are down and sinking while mobile phones are evolving into mobile devices with faster download speeds and better quality sound and video every year. Why not get your music out there? Pearl Jam retains ownership of all their music, there is no Verizon logo anywhere near the stage just like there was never a Sony logo, Pearl Jam doesn't do any stupid commercials, and some people might actually get turned on to Pearl Jam by listening to a FREE live track. I really don't see a down side.

edgarcamp

Get over it.

thedividedskyiscrape

I read this whole thread before I even read the news release from ten club about the boots. Doesn't this single paragraph from that release explain thing?:

"Pearl Jam continues to explore new and innovative ways to get their music to their fans," said Ten Club Manager Tim Bierman. "As we have learned from our younger fans, more and more listeners are accessing their music through their mobile phones." Continued Bierman, "Since Verizon Wireless and V CAST are at the forefront of that technology, this collaboration makes perfect sense to us. With our proven track record of delivering high quality bootleg downloads and CDs, we feel this new approach will not only benefit our fans, but provide an exciting opportunity to share Pearl Jam's music in a more interactive setting."

It looks like Pearl Jam is just taking advantage of some great technology for fast delivery of quality boots:

All of Pearl Jam's bootlegs recordings will be professionally mixed in real-time at each show to create the mobile bootlegs. Pearl Jam's recording engineer will mix the recordings on the Verizon Mobile Recording Studio Bus.

My initial reaction to seeing a corporate name next to Pearl Jam's was disturbing. I was at that San Diego show when Ed talked about Jewel, and I was at the Irvine show with the Dodge advertisements (anyone remember, "Can't find a better van?"). High Fidelity made a fine point, and it's okay to criticize (how soon we forget the lambasting this board saw following the Ed solo tour ticket debacle)... we just need to be civil about it.

LONGRD

ivegotabrokenface wrote:

What's the diff between AT&T and Verizon?..... weren't they knocking AT&T for censoring them at Lollapalooza?

They are competitors. But really that not different, they both suck!

I'm a customer of AT&T/Cingular- merged