Does anybody REALLY give a shit about this stuff? I mean come on, what difference does it make?
As long as they are the ones writing and performing the songs then I really don't see the point in us bitching and moaning at each other beacuse of some deal that has been done that in now way affects the music.
just my two cents worth...
I do! It's completely hypocritical to criticize AT&T about Lallapalooza and then go with Verizon now.
I do! It's completely hypocritical to criticize AT&T about Lallapalooza and then go with Verizon now.
they aren't "going with" Verizon. they want to do bootlegs by phone and Verizon is a phone service that can do that. It's not like Ed's going to be dressing like the "can you hear me now" guy during the shows or giving verizon plugs between songs
they criticized AT&T for censoring their performance of Daughter, which is completely unrelated to them using Verizon for bootlegs.
now, when a guy pens the lyrics "Model role model roll some models in blood" and then marries a model, that could be called hypocritical...but what you're saying isn't
now, when a guy pens the lyrics "Model role model roll some models in blood" and then marries a model, that could be called hypocritical...but what you're saying isn't
So...there is a history of blurring the lines.
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now, when a guy pens the lyrics "Model role model roll some models in blood" and then marries a model, that could be called hypocritical...but what you're saying isn't
I disagree. It's just a phone carrier. It's not like it's Haliburton.
yes, i'm still curious why verizon is considered so evil. sure it's a big business, but you don't exactly see a lot of mom & pop utility companies out there. i guess i'm biased because i work here and think verizon does a lot of great things...this being one of them. they're not asking pearl jam for their souls or to get up there and ask everyone to switch carriers. they're just a source to distribute free music - which most normal fans would consider a very cool thing.
Guess what else I heard? Ed uses Fender guitars ... that's a big, giant corporation. What a fuckin' sellout. He should build his guitars himself out of recycled cardboard and Boom's asshair.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
you don't exactly see a lot of mom & pop utility companies out there.
Exactly. If they want to distribute via cell phones, you have to have a means to do it.
If people don't like it, don't get the mobile download. Having Verizon involved provides an additional service. It doesn't take anything away from a show.
Guess what else I heard? Ed uses Fender guitars ... that's a big, giant corporation. What a fuckin' sellout. He should build his guitars himself out of recycled cardboard and Boom's asshair.
Best post of this ass backwards thread.
The fans need to get over themselves, Pearl Jam know what the hell they are doing.
As far as the model comment. I'm sure Ed realized that models can be as beautiful on the inside as they are on the outside, so why should anyone hold that against him.
Please stop acting like spoiled children and focus on things like "Who You Are" being played for the first time in 12 years...
i always used to think of pearl jam as a band that could say fuck you to the commercial bollocks and still sell out tours...
up until like the other day
So them playing at coorporate named venues the past 17 years didn't bother you? Eddie playing a private show for the CEO of the Real Networks didn't bother you? Matt doing an ad for a drumstick didn't bother you? Pearl Jam doing VH1 Storytellers didn't bother you?
The thing that gets you though, is that they are reaching out to a communications company to get their music out to fans in a new and innovative way?
I disagree. It's just a phone carrier. It's not like it's Haliburton.
Verizon is just as bad as Haliburton...huge monopolizing manipulating corporation.
Some do hold PJ (rightly or wrongly) to a higher standard..and this is partially due to the bands past messages....so to have PJ sponsored by Verizon does suck.
Ed come on buddy....fk verizon.
On to them using Verizon for the phone music thing...well PJ Management was visited by a Verizon salesperson, marketing fk and sold them on it. Typical corporate crap.
Wonder if PJ hires marketing agency that holds focus groups.....
Honestly, why would anyone care? Start worrying about not having one quality presidential candidate. One that doesn't honor the pledge to the flag and is affiliated with a racist pastor and one who says our troops coming home "really isn't that important"
Verizon is just as bad as Haliburton...huge monopolizing manipulating corporation.
Some do hold PJ (rightly or wrongly) to a higher standard..and this is partially due to the bands past messages....so to have PJ sponsored by Verizon does suck.
Ed come on buddy....fk verizon.
On to them using Verizon for the phone music thing...well PJ Management was visited by a Verizon salesperson, marketing fk and sold them on it. Typical corporate crap.
Wonder if PJ hires marketing agency that holds focus groups.....
where does it say anywhere that PJ is sponsored by Verizon???
And how do you know that PJ management wasn't throwing around the idea of doing digital cell phone downloads and profiled the cell companies and decided that Verizon had the best infrastructure to deliver their idea?? And then THEY went to Verizon with the concept and idea??? It would follow along with the other bootleg and music distribution ideas that the band and management had previously come up with and used.
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I am torn on this topic. On the one hand I would like to think they could have tons of sponsors and that would help keep the ticket prices lower (which was a huge source of complaint) and I would not care. Also, we all (at least 90%) have cell phones and we all use the internet so we are already supporting these communications corporations. If we were so against Verizon or Sprint our only choice would to write USPS letters or live near a Panera Bread so we could "Steal" their wireless internet. On the other hand, I also feel some sense of loss when driving through a beautiful mountain range and having to see bill boards and advertisement. I want things to be unspoiled by advertising. I want people and bands and companies to stand on their own merits.
I am a huge Chicago Bears fan. Well, Soldier Field is a "Historical Landmark" and therefore its naming rights are not for sale. It will always be known as Soldier Field, so the Bears are losing out on this source of revenue. They found a way around this by being "The Chicago Bears Presented by Chase Bank". Chase is the large sponsor of the Bears, and if this little detail causes the bears to keep ticket prices lower and to get better players and become a better team then I am fine with it. I actually bank at a Credit union.
So I think the point is, I am seeing PJ at the Verizon Center and if they were to ever do a "Verizon Tour" I would be fine with it and hope that it was done to keep ticket prices lower. Whoever supports/sponsors the Bears or PJ or Brad Pitt, really doesn't affect me.
1) This tour is not the "2008 Pearl Jam Tour-Sponsored by Verizon", it's just a tour. Until you see "Sponsored by Verizon" on your ticket stub, please don't keep your panties in a bunch.
2) Someone give me one reason why a new innovative way to get music to fans is a terrible idea?
3) Fans need to get over the thought that they know what the band stands for and what it doesn't. The band is still doing a great deal of charitable work, touring in parts of the country that they haven't in 5 years, and is about to go in and record a new album.
Eddie will not appear in a Verizon ad pimping smart phones. "Given To Fly" is not going to be heard on a American Airlines commercial, and "Small Town" is not going to be used by your local chamber of commerce. And if they were...who gives a shit. I like Pearl Jam for their music and social stances, but this is an age where artists have to think of new ways to sell their product. Albums don't do that anymore because you can get any album you want for free. Give them a break. Their profession is being a musical artist, and part of being a professional is getting paid for your work.
Honestly, why would anyone care? Start worrying about not having one quality presidential candidate. One that doesn't honor the pledge to the flag and is affiliated with a racist pastor and one who says our troops coming home "really isn't that important"
Honestly, why would anyone care? Start worrying about not having one quality presidential candidate. One that doesn't honor the pledge to the flag and is affiliated with a racist pastor and one who says our troops coming home "really isn't that important"
im more worried about voters that get their (fox) news from sound bites..... :rolleyes:
1) This tour is not the "2008 Pearl Jam Tour-Sponsored by Verizon", it's just a tour. Until you see "Sponsored by Verizon" on your ticket stub, please don't keep your panties in a bunch.
2) Someone give me one reason why a new innovative way to get music to fans is a terrible idea?
3) Fans need to get over the thought that they know what the band stands for and what it doesn't. The band is still doing a great deal of charitable work, touring in parts of the country that they haven't in 5 years, and is about to go in and record a new album.
Eddie will not appear in a Verizon ad pimping smart phones. "Given To Fly" is not going to be heard on a American Airlines commercial, and "Small Town" is not going to be used by your local chamber of commerce. And if they were...who gives a shit. I like Pearl Jam for their music and social stances, but this is an age where artists have to think of new ways to sell their product. Albums don't do that anymore because you can get any album you want for free. Give them a break. Their profession is being a musical artist, and part of being a professional is getting paid for your work.
Honestly, why would anyone care? Start worrying about not having one quality presidential candidate. One that doesn't honor the pledge to the flag and is affiliated with a racist pastor and one who says our troops coming home "really isn't that important"
If you're ignorant enough to believe any of those statements, I don't think even Ron Paul would want your fucking vote.
And how do you know that PJ management wasn't throwing around the idea of doing digital cell phone downloads and profiled the cell companies and decided that Verizon had the best infrastructure to deliver their idea?? And then THEY went to Verizon with the concept and idea??? It would follow along with the other bootleg and music distribution ideas that the band and management had previously come up with and used.
Logic is a welcome sight for sore eyes on the board sometimes.
No, it's what the nice looking man on the tele told me...and I trust that he would never leave me astray. Now I must go buy some Cialis because they sponsor that nice looking man...
No, it's what the nice looking man on the tele told me...and I trust that he would never leave me astray. Now I must go buy some Cialis because they sponsor that nice looking man...
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I do! It's completely hypocritical to criticize AT&T about Lallapalooza and then go with Verizon now.
Please explain how....
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they aren't "going with" Verizon. they want to do bootlegs by phone and Verizon is a phone service that can do that. It's not like Ed's going to be dressing like the "can you hear me now" guy during the shows or giving verizon plugs between songs
they criticized AT&T for censoring their performance of Daughter, which is completely unrelated to them using Verizon for bootlegs.
now, when a guy pens the lyrics "Model role model roll some models in blood" and then marries a model, that could be called hypocritical...but what you're saying isn't
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
So...there is a history of blurring the lines.
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I disagree. It's just a phone carrier. It's not like it's Haliburton.
I assume you're referring to the mattcrush?
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Guess what else I heard? Ed uses Fender guitars ... that's a big, giant corporation. What a fuckin' sellout. He should build his guitars himself out of recycled cardboard and Boom's asshair.
for the least they could possibly do
Exactly. If they want to distribute via cell phones, you have to have a means to do it.
If people don't like it, don't get the mobile download. Having Verizon involved provides an additional service. It doesn't take anything away from a show.
Best post of this ass backwards thread.
The fans need to get over themselves, Pearl Jam know what the hell they are doing.
As far as the model comment. I'm sure Ed realized that models can be as beautiful on the inside as they are on the outside, so why should anyone hold that against him.
Please stop acting like spoiled children and focus on things like "Who You Are" being played for the first time in 12 years...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
i always used to think of pearl jam as a band that could say fuck you to the commercial bollocks and still sell out tours...
up until like the other day
So them playing at coorporate named venues the past 17 years didn't bother you? Eddie playing a private show for the CEO of the Real Networks didn't bother you? Matt doing an ad for a drumstick didn't bother you? Pearl Jam doing VH1 Storytellers didn't bother you?
The thing that gets you though, is that they are reaching out to a communications company to get their music out to fans in a new and innovative way?
Give me a break...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
They only did that to sell more free digital downloads.
Sellouts.
for the least they could possibly do
Some do hold PJ (rightly or wrongly) to a higher standard..and this is partially due to the bands past messages....so to have PJ sponsored by Verizon does suck.
Ed come on buddy....fk verizon.
On to them using Verizon for the phone music thing...well PJ Management was visited by a Verizon salesperson, marketing fk and sold them on it. Typical corporate crap.
Wonder if PJ hires marketing agency that holds focus groups.....
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More to Come....
where does it say anywhere that PJ is sponsored by Verizon???
And how do you know that PJ management wasn't throwing around the idea of doing digital cell phone downloads and profiled the cell companies and decided that Verizon had the best infrastructure to deliver their idea?? And then THEY went to Verizon with the concept and idea??? It would follow along with the other bootleg and music distribution ideas that the band and management had previously come up with and used.
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Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
I am a huge Chicago Bears fan. Well, Soldier Field is a "Historical Landmark" and therefore its naming rights are not for sale. It will always be known as Soldier Field, so the Bears are losing out on this source of revenue. They found a way around this by being "The Chicago Bears Presented by Chase Bank". Chase is the large sponsor of the Bears, and if this little detail causes the bears to keep ticket prices lower and to get better players and become a better team then I am fine with it. I actually bank at a Credit union.
So I think the point is, I am seeing PJ at the Verizon Center and if they were to ever do a "Verizon Tour" I would be fine with it and hope that it was done to keep ticket prices lower. Whoever supports/sponsors the Bears or PJ or Brad Pitt, really doesn't affect me.
2) Someone give me one reason why a new innovative way to get music to fans is a terrible idea?
3) Fans need to get over the thought that they know what the band stands for and what it doesn't. The band is still doing a great deal of charitable work, touring in parts of the country that they haven't in 5 years, and is about to go in and record a new album.
Eddie will not appear in a Verizon ad pimping smart phones. "Given To Fly" is not going to be heard on a American Airlines commercial, and "Small Town" is not going to be used by your local chamber of commerce. And if they were...who gives a shit. I like Pearl Jam for their music and social stances, but this is an age where artists have to think of new ways to sell their product. Albums don't do that anymore because you can get any album you want for free. Give them a break. Their profession is being a musical artist, and part of being a professional is getting paid for your work.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
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You're as uninformed as they get...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
When you can explain to me how Verizon could be held responsible for the death of American soldiers, then we can talk.
No blood for cell phones!
for the least they could possibly do
http://seanbriceart.com/
Or the Huffington Post ...
for the least they could possibly do
Nice job, my thoughts exactly!!!
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If you're ignorant enough to believe any of those statements, I don't think even Ron Paul would want your fucking vote.
Logic is a welcome sight for sore eyes on the board sometimes.
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- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Ron Paul also doesn't want the support of the 9/11 Truthers...yet they all still flock to him
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No, it's what the nice looking man on the tele told me...and I trust that he would never leave me astray. Now I must go buy some Cialis because they sponsor that nice looking man...
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
for the least they could possibly do
the flags are waving
the news is breaking
see the man who can't pick out his own tie
for the least they could possibly do