Rows 1&2 And 9&10 ..

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  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    josevolution wrote:
    yeah holy fuuuuuuuuuuuuck .....


    the show last night was " hoy moon nah" lol
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    i cant wait to see them in china so i can start using chinese words :D:



    funny....i've always said "c'est la vie"....long before i ever visited france, and i've never seen pj in france. :) i also like to use latin and italian on occasion too, oh my! mea culpa indeed. :p




    et tu, jose?
    c'est la vie indeed.....enjoy. :)



    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    we also have to remember that ALL the shows on the tour are fan club shows! In the past, I'm thinking Mansfield I-III 2003, only the first show was fan club. I think this fact makes it even more important to give out higher rows randomly- they're all fan club seats, so you don't have the chance of getting way up front through TM, and agency, or a scalper. I was in like row 7 for mansfield III 2003 only because we decided to go through an agency and pay. But for ALL the shows on this tour ALL the good seats are in the hands of the ten club. So if they DIDN'T randomize it, it could literally be almost all the same people every single night with good seats. Hell, IMO, even though I LOVE the ticket perk, I don't think it's quite fair to relegate the general public to shit seating for EVERY show. I have friends who are HUGE fans from way back, but for one reason or another, never joined the 10c. they're always on the lawn and stuff. Some people might love pearl jam but aren't so fanatical as to be in the ten club...I think we should be grateful that we get all these shows as fan club shows in the first place because all in all it's not entirely fair to begin with.



    again, all very true.....we are ALL fortunate. i have never felt otherwise either. i have been very, very fortunate over the past few tours and i am thankful for it.


    as i've said, it does seem that MOST fans, who post on this board anyway...regardless of 10c #...see this all as a GOOD thing. it'll be fun to see the *energy* for sure, no matter where you are!
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168
    decides2dream wrote:
    :D


    they talk anyway...so feck em, don't care!

    Very true.
    decides2dream wrote:
    we've managed to discuss this topic pretty extensively :p.....and ALWAYS remian civil/respectful/debate appropriately.

    I will never understand why a person needs to insult another here, or how a person could act in a way that results in permanent banishment.
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    decides2dream wrote:
    funny....i've always said "c'est la vie"....long before i ever visited france, and i've never seen pj in france. :) i also like to use latin and italian on occasion too, oh my! mea culpa indeed. :p




    et tu, jose?
    c'est la vie indeed.....enjoy. :)








    again, all very true.....we are ALL fortunate. i have never felt otherwise either. i have been very, very fortunate over the past few tours and i am thankful for it.


    as i've said, it does seem that MOST fans, who post on this board anyway...regardless of 10c #...see this all as a GOOD thing. it'll be fun to see the *energy* for sure, no matter where you are!

    sweetheart u have no idea what im talking about
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    Soybeans wrote:
    I'm a huge baseball fan, should I have the same chance at a front row seat as a guy who's had season tickets since the 1950's? I wasn't born until the 70's or maybe I just wasn't a fan yet. He's the guy that's been showing up for decades and forking over the ever climbing ticket prices from year after year. Just like me and the other long time members have been touring around the world supporting the guys.



    Totally different. Season tickets guarantee you your seats. Nowhere does the 10C guarantee tickets to shows. Over the years they have changed up ticket allocations (mail order, 1 pair per tour, then mail orders for multiple shows, then online). This is the next step and they can do what they want. Maybe they are sick of the same faces. Maybe they are listening to fans complain about never getting the chance to get up front. Maybe they felt this was a great way to keep the fans all charged up in the first few rows. Let's face it: fans get jaded. I've talked with people who get front row for 10-15 shows in a row, and more than a few have said they would be fine if they were back a few rows but that since they get front row tickets what are they going to do, hand them back?

    I'm sorry, but I think people who are complaining about possibly moving back a few rows are being selfish. Name another band that essentially gets you the best seats in the house and you know you will get better seats than the general public every single time? C'mon...we're so damn lucky. Pearl Jam absolutely rules and we need to remember that it is all about the music and the experience, not how many low seat # tickets you can amass.
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  • 4Powers20
    4Powers20 Posts: 1,231
    BinFrog wrote:
    Totally different. Season tickets guarantee you your seats. Nowhere does the 10C guarantee tickets to shows. Over the years they have changed up ticket allocations (mail order, 1 pair per tour, then mail orders for multiple shows, then online). This is the next step and they can do what they want. Maybe they are sick of the same faces. Maybe they are listening to fans complain about never getting the chance to get up front. Maybe they felt this was a great way to keep the fans all charged up in the first few rows. Let's face it: fans get jaded. I've talked with people who get front row for 10-15 shows in a row, and more than a few have said they would be fine if they were back a few rows but that since they get front row tickets what are they going to do, hand them back?

    I'm sorry, but I think people who are complaining about possibly moving back a few rows are being selfish. Name another band that essentially gets you the best seats in the house and you know you will get better seats than the general public every single time? C'mon...we're so damn lucky. Pearl Jam absolutely rules and we need to remember that it is all about the music and the experience, not how many low seat # tickets you can amass.

    you need to go back to PT, you are making to much sense. Let PT dumb you down a little then come back.


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  • nfanel
    nfanel Posts: 2,558
    meistereder wrote:
    A few rows difference is not significant. The people who would have gotten 9 or 10 could have been 13 or 14 anyway, depending on the number of 10C tickets sold, venue, etc. The amount of joy that they will be giving to the people who randomly get 1, 2, 9 and 10 will vastly outweighs the amount of inconvenience for those who would otherwise have been in those rows. You're just moving back a couple rows.

    I think it's a GREAT idea.
    exactly. well put. i think it's a great compromise and those people that luck out with front row seats are going to be ecstatic. far outweighs is right.
  • BinFrog
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    4Powers20 wrote:
    you need to go back to PT, you are making to much sense. Let PT dumb you down a little then come back.


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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Get_Right wrote:
    Second: How do you know it was the bitching. EV himself mentioned more than once that he sees a lot of familiar faces in the first few rows. could have been him that made the call.

    Ed says a lot of things. I still remember from the Honolulu show before You're True Ed making a little speech (I'm paraphrasing) saying that the band has received tremendous support from the fans this tour and that seeing a lot f the same faces everywhere is incredible and that the fans have spoiled the band with their support over the years following them around.
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  • 4Powers20
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    Solat13 wrote:
    Ed says a lot of things. I still remember from the Honolulu show before You're True Ed making a little speech (I'm paraphrasing) saying that the band has received tremendous support from the fans this tour and that seeing a lot f the same faces everywhere is incredible and that the fans have spoiled the band with their support over the years following them around.

    And if those same fans stop going to shows because they are in the 3rd row instead of the first, then they arent real fans.


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  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,016
    benjs wrote:
    Meanwhile, about the folks who were BORN the same year as Pearl Jam, and thus did not sign up for the Ten Club until years later... how is that fair to them that they generally end up with worse seats than those who were born earlier? Believe me, as an 18 year old, I think us young fans are far more disadvantaged even with this great opportunity than you old fans who get to sit 9th or 10th row generally, and this time may have to sit 12th and 13th. That's my opinion. I can see that it would feel frustrating though... being downgraded in any scenario is no fun.

    as a 22 year old who didnt have any money to spend casually until 2 years ago... i agree.
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  • Solat13
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    4Powers20 wrote:
    And if those same fans stop going to shows because they are in the 3rd row instead of the first, then they arent real fans.

    I wasn't stating that at all. I was just stating that Ed - at least that night - wasn't tired of seeing the same faces every night.

    And trust me, I'll be nowhere near the 1st or 2nd row unless I hit the lottery. I travel around with my 18th-20th row seats and am just as happy.
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  • Reverb
    Reverb Posts: 34
    I think its a good thing. High number 10C'ers are no less a fan.

    I say thumbs up.
  • Soybeans
    Soybeans Posts: 258
    Ed was not complaining, he was thanking the diehards.

    I'm entitled to my opinion. I know you all feel strongly about yours. Sorry if I feel entitled, or if I got used to a certain row or seat. It just turns great seats into middle of the pack. I'm still going to enjoy it, but with all the bitching I've read here over the years in favor of doing away with seniority, I felt that this change required me to speak up.

    I just know that I love this band and for someone to push me back to the middle of the floor in the name of fairness, seems like a bad idea. I also feel like this will encourage scalpers to get back in the fan club.

    Alot of the people in agreement with the new policy are calling those who aren't babies or selfish. Is selfishness always bad? Aren't you being selfish by agreeing with the new policy. Oh, right, you guys are strictly for the people.

    The fact is we've come to expect what we were given and told we earned before. If that's not the case, we have right to disagree. Sorry.

    Fairness is in the eye of the beholder.
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  • RedMosquito22
    RedMosquito22 Posts: 8,158
    Soybeans wrote:
    Ed was not complaining, he was thanking the diehards.

    I'm entitled to my opinion. I know you all feel strongly about yours. Sorry if I feel entitled, or if I got used to a certain row or seat. It just turns great seats into middle of the pack. I'm still going to enjoy it, but with all the bitching I've read here over the years in favor of doing away with seniority, I felt that this change required me to speak up.

    I just know that I love this band and for someone to push me back to the middle of the floor in the name of fairness, seems like a bad idea. I also feel like this will encourage scalpers to get back in the fan club.

    Alot of the people in agreement with the new policy are calling those who aren't babies or selfish. Is selfishness always bad? Aren't you being selfish by agreeing with the new policy. Oh, right, you guys are strictly for the people.

    The fact is we've come to expect what we were given and told we earned before. If that's not the case, we have right to disagree. Sorry.

    Fairness is in the eye of the beholder.

    I hardly think moving back 2 rows is being pushed to the middle of the floor. What a bunch of crybabies.
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  • Soybeans
    Soybeans Posts: 258
    RedMosquito15 wrote:
    I hardly think moving back 2 rows is being pushed to the middle of the floor. What a bunch of crybabies.

    Again, my opinion. What's with the crybaby shit? Wanna know what I think of you? I'd could say something worse than crybaby, but I abide by the rules. No need to dis...
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  • Dylan Stone
    Dylan Stone Posts: 1,145
    RedMosquito15 wrote:
    I hardly think moving back 2 rows is being pushed to the middle of the floor. What a bunch of crybabies.

    Please allow me to interject... for people in rows 10-14 it's not 2 rows it's four and in indoor venues that very well may mean the next section.

    NOT COMPLAINING as I won't even be in MY seats. I have friends in low places. ;)

    Just stating the facts.
  • Soybeans
    Soybeans Posts: 258
    GTFLYGIRL wrote:
    Please allow me to interject... for people in rows 10-14 it's not 2 rows it's four and in indoor venues that very well may mean the next section.

    NOT COMPLAINING as I won't even be in MY seats. I have friends in low places. ;)

    Just stating the facts.

    That's where I'm coming from.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,005
    josevolution wrote:
    how is that fair to them now think about this before you crucify me ,you are used to the 9th or 10th row and now you don't luck out and you end up further back not closer but further back

    yeah, 3 or 4 rows further back. who cares?
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  • No Fear Of Falling
    No Fear Of Falling Posts: 419
    BeerBaron wrote:
    BUT ... that said ... lets be sympathetic to those long-time 10Cers. there are a select group of people with low numbers who have paid their dues and been in the 10C for 15 years. Those people have always been rewarded for their loyalty with seats in the first 2-3 rows and now that is being taken away from them. These people are the only ones who lose in the new ticketing system, so can you blame them for not liking it? Calling them selfish is unfair.


    Agree with everything you said, however, these people are acting like they were in the 10c for years and are now being pushed to nosebleed section.

    Really, its just a few rows. Nothing groundbreaking. Nobody is moving the guy in row 2 to the 45th row of the floor, or the 1st row in the upper balcony.. he is being moved to row 4. not too shabby.

    Thats why they are being called selfish.
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