i cant wait to see them in china so i can start using chinese words :
funny....i've always said "c'est la vie"....long before i ever visited france, and i've never seen pj in france. i also like to use latin and italian on occasion too, oh my! mea culpa indeed.
we also have to remember that ALL the shows on the tour are fan club shows! In the past, I'm thinking Mansfield I-III 2003, only the first show was fan club. I think this fact makes it even more important to give out higher rows randomly- they're all fan club seats, so you don't have the chance of getting way up front through TM, and agency, or a scalper. I was in like row 7 for mansfield III 2003 only because we decided to go through an agency and pay. But for ALL the shows on this tour ALL the good seats are in the hands of the ten club. So if they DIDN'T randomize it, it could literally be almost all the same people every single night with good seats. Hell, IMO, even though I LOVE the ticket perk, I don't think it's quite fair to relegate the general public to shit seating for EVERY show. I have friends who are HUGE fans from way back, but for one reason or another, never joined the 10c. they're always on the lawn and stuff. Some people might love pearl jam but aren't so fanatical as to be in the ten club...I think we should be grateful that we get all these shows as fan club shows in the first place because all in all it's not entirely fair to begin with.
again, all very true.....we are ALL fortunate. i have never felt otherwise either. i have been very, very fortunate over the past few tours and i am thankful for it.
as i've said, it does seem that MOST fans, who post on this board anyway...regardless of 10c #...see this all as a GOOD thing. it'll be fun to see the *energy* for sure, no matter where you are!
funny....i've always said "c'est la vie"....long before i ever visited france, and i've never seen pj in france. i also like to use latin and italian on occasion too, oh my! mea culpa indeed.
et tu, jose?
c'est la vie indeed.....enjoy.
again, all very true.....we are ALL fortunate. i have never felt otherwise either. i have been very, very fortunate over the past few tours and i am thankful for it.
as i've said, it does seem that MOST fans, who post on this board anyway...regardless of 10c #...see this all as a GOOD thing. it'll be fun to see the *energy* for sure, no matter where you are!
I'm a huge baseball fan, should I have the same chance at a front row seat as a guy who's had season tickets since the 1950's? I wasn't born until the 70's or maybe I just wasn't a fan yet. He's the guy that's been showing up for decades and forking over the ever climbing ticket prices from year after year. Just like me and the other long time members have been touring around the world supporting the guys.
Totally different. Season tickets guarantee you your seats. Nowhere does the 10C guarantee tickets to shows. Over the years they have changed up ticket allocations (mail order, 1 pair per tour, then mail orders for multiple shows, then online). This is the next step and they can do what they want. Maybe they are sick of the same faces. Maybe they are listening to fans complain about never getting the chance to get up front. Maybe they felt this was a great way to keep the fans all charged up in the first few rows. Let's face it: fans get jaded. I've talked with people who get front row for 10-15 shows in a row, and more than a few have said they would be fine if they were back a few rows but that since they get front row tickets what are they going to do, hand them back?
I'm sorry, but I think people who are complaining about possibly moving back a few rows are being selfish. Name another band that essentially gets you the best seats in the house and you know you will get better seats than the general public every single time? C'mon...we're so damn lucky. Pearl Jam absolutely rules and we need to remember that it is all about the music and the experience, not how many low seat # tickets you can amass.
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Totally different. Season tickets guarantee you your seats. Nowhere does the 10C guarantee tickets to shows. Over the years they have changed up ticket allocations (mail order, 1 pair per tour, then mail orders for multiple shows, then online). This is the next step and they can do what they want. Maybe they are sick of the same faces. Maybe they are listening to fans complain about never getting the chance to get up front. Maybe they felt this was a great way to keep the fans all charged up in the first few rows. Let's face it: fans get jaded. I've talked with people who get front row for 10-15 shows in a row, and more than a few have said they would be fine if they were back a few rows but that since they get front row tickets what are they going to do, hand them back?
I'm sorry, but I think people who are complaining about possibly moving back a few rows are being selfish. Name another band that essentially gets you the best seats in the house and you know you will get better seats than the general public every single time? C'mon...we're so damn lucky. Pearl Jam absolutely rules and we need to remember that it is all about the music and the experience, not how many low seat # tickets you can amass.
you need to go back to PT, you are making to much sense. Let PT dumb you down a little then come back.
A few rows difference is not significant. The people who would have gotten 9 or 10 could have been 13 or 14 anyway, depending on the number of 10C tickets sold, venue, etc. The amount of joy that they will be giving to the people who randomly get 1, 2, 9 and 10 will vastly outweighs the amount of inconvenience for those who would otherwise have been in those rows. You're just moving back a couple rows.
I think it's a GREAT idea.
exactly. well put. i think it's a great compromise and those people that luck out with front row seats are going to be ecstatic. far outweighs is right.
Second: How do you know it was the bitching. EV himself mentioned more than once that he sees a lot of familiar faces in the first few rows. could have been him that made the call.
Ed says a lot of things. I still remember from the Honolulu show before You're True Ed making a little speech (I'm paraphrasing) saying that the band has received tremendous support from the fans this tour and that seeing a lot f the same faces everywhere is incredible and that the fans have spoiled the band with their support over the years following them around.
Ed says a lot of things. I still remember from the Honolulu show before You're True Ed making a little speech (I'm paraphrasing) saying that the band has received tremendous support from the fans this tour and that seeing a lot f the same faces everywhere is incredible and that the fans have spoiled the band with their support over the years following them around.
And if those same fans stop going to shows because they are in the 3rd row instead of the first, then they arent real fans.
Meanwhile, about the folks who were BORN the same year as Pearl Jam, and thus did not sign up for the Ten Club until years later... how is that fair to them that they generally end up with worse seats than those who were born earlier? Believe me, as an 18 year old, I think us young fans are far more disadvantaged even with this great opportunity than you old fans who get to sit 9th or 10th row generally, and this time may have to sit 12th and 13th. That's my opinion. I can see that it would feel frustrating though... being downgraded in any scenario is no fun.
as a 22 year old who didnt have any money to spend casually until 2 years ago... i agree.
Ed was not complaining, he was thanking the diehards.
I'm entitled to my opinion. I know you all feel strongly about yours. Sorry if I feel entitled, or if I got used to a certain row or seat. It just turns great seats into middle of the pack. I'm still going to enjoy it, but with all the bitching I've read here over the years in favor of doing away with seniority, I felt that this change required me to speak up.
I just know that I love this band and for someone to push me back to the middle of the floor in the name of fairness, seems like a bad idea. I also feel like this will encourage scalpers to get back in the fan club.
Alot of the people in agreement with the new policy are calling those who aren't babies or selfish. Is selfishness always bad? Aren't you being selfish by agreeing with the new policy. Oh, right, you guys are strictly for the people.
The fact is we've come to expect what we were given and told we earned before. If that's not the case, we have right to disagree. Sorry.
Fairness is in the eye of the beholder.
90 shows and counting...some of my favs: Randall's Island night 2, Milwaukee '95 night 2, Hawaii '06, St Johns '05, PJ20!
Ed was not complaining, he was thanking the diehards.
I'm entitled to my opinion. I know you all feel strongly about yours. Sorry if I feel entitled, or if I got used to a certain row or seat. It just turns great seats into middle of the pack. I'm still going to enjoy it, but with all the bitching I've read here over the years in favor of doing away with seniority, I felt that this change required me to speak up.
I just know that I love this band and for someone to push me back to the middle of the floor in the name of fairness, seems like a bad idea. I also feel like this will encourage scalpers to get back in the fan club.
Alot of the people in agreement with the new policy are calling those who aren't babies or selfish. Is selfishness always bad? Aren't you being selfish by agreeing with the new policy. Oh, right, you guys are strictly for the people.
The fact is we've come to expect what we were given and told we earned before. If that's not the case, we have right to disagree. Sorry.
Fairness is in the eye of the beholder.
I hardly think moving back 2 rows is being pushed to the middle of the floor. What a bunch of crybabies.
I hardly think moving back 2 rows is being pushed to the middle of the floor. What a bunch of crybabies.
Again, my opinion. What's with the crybaby shit? Wanna know what I think of you? I'd could say something worse than crybaby, but I abide by the rules. No need to dis...
90 shows and counting...some of my favs: Randall's Island night 2, Milwaukee '95 night 2, Hawaii '06, St Johns '05, PJ20!
how is that fair to them now think about this before you crucify me ,you are used to the 9th or 10th row and now you don't luck out and you end up further back not closer but further back
BUT ... that said ... lets be sympathetic to those long-time 10Cers. there are a select group of people with low numbers who have paid their dues and been in the 10C for 15 years. Those people have always been rewarded for their loyalty with seats in the first 2-3 rows and now that is being taken away from them. These people are the only ones who lose in the new ticketing system, so can you blame them for not liking it? Calling them selfish is unfair.
Agree with everything you said, however, these people are acting like they were in the 10c for years and are now being pushed to nosebleed section.
Really, its just a few rows. Nothing groundbreaking. Nobody is moving the guy in row 2 to the 45th row of the floor, or the 1st row in the upper balcony.. he is being moved to row 4. not too shabby.
Personally, I have yet to understand the fascination with being up front at a Pearl Jam concert. What exactly is there to see? Am I missing something here, is there treasure to be had in the first few rows? I guess I can comprehend the desire for certain girls to be close in hopes to catch a drop of Ed's sweat or a glimpse of Jeff's ever growing bald spot. But other than that, what exactly am I missing from one of the wing sections?
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
All may wish to consider that with few 10c tickets available, fewer low number members may have gotten through and gotten tickets... It may be a wash....
1996: Randall's Island I, Hartford
1998: MSG I, Hartford
2000: Jones Beach I
2003: Albany, MSG II, Mansfield II & III, Homdel
2004: Boston (VFC) I & II
2006: Albany, Hartford, Boston I and E. Rutherford I
2008: MSG I & II, Hartford, Mansfield II (saw BostonLou in the FRONT ROW!!) EV-NYC II
2010: Hartford
2013 Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Fenway I 2018 Wrigley II, Fenway II
The Old System:
Back in Chicago 2000 - 29 rows back
Back in Chicago 2003 - 26 rows back
Progressively moving forward with people leaving/dropping. It would take years to get near the front though. However, the seats would better and better each year.
The New System:
If PJ Plays Chicago in 2008 - probably 24 rows back + 4 more = 28 rows back
BUT!! A once in a lifetime chance to get front row.
Your senority takes a bit of a step back for a few years immediately. However you do have a chance at front rows seats which you'd probably would never have. Even if you were a member for 20 more years.
That's my thought. I am generally between row 12 and 20, so that means I will now be in the row 16-24 range. That's likely going to be a noticeable difference for me because many arena floors often have an aisle around the row 20 area.
But ... I am fine with that - especially if it gives me a chance to be in rows, 1 and 2. I have never even been as close as rows 9 and 10, so in the 8 shows I am going to this year, I am sure that I will benefit once or twice at least (in rows 9 and 10).
I think this change is great. Obviously, the long-time members who are always in the first 3-4 rows stand to lose the msot from this, but really, who cares if you are in row 4 instead of row 2? In fact (and I hate to generalize because that is not fair) part of the reason for this change in my opinion is the fact that the band wants fresh faces up front because they are sick of seeing the same people up there show after show AND because many of these long-time members in the first few rows haven't been too in to the shows in recent tours. Sucks for those that are, that others ruined your chance for the front row at every show, but that's life.
BUT ... that said ... lets be sympathetic to those long-time 10Cers. there are a select group of people with low numbers who have paid their dues and been in the 10C for 15 years. Those people have always been rewarded for their loyalty with seats in the first 2-3 rows and now that is being taken away from them. These people are the only ones who lose in the new ticketing system, so can you blame them for not liking it? Calling them selfish is unfair.
sorry to disagree with you since you seem to be having some mercy on me, but no, we have not ALWAYS been rewarded for our dedication. it didn't start until i'd been in the fan club for close to 7 years already.
mostly, i'm more pissed at those who did stupid amounts of shows, have been front row 50 times or some other stupid fucking number, and totally ruined it for those of us who only manage to hit two or three shows a tour. i haven't been able to use my good seats since 03, so going all the way back for the last 5 years, i haven't USED the system, much less AB_USED it...and yet i pay the penalty.
i say they should have just limited you to something like 5 pairs per tour based on seniority, with no limit on shows you buy. after the 5th one, you go to the back of the seniority line....
That's my thought. I am generally between row 12 and 20, so that means I will now be in the row 16-24 range. That's likely going to be a noticeable difference for me because many arena floors often have an aisle around the row 20 area.
But ... I am fine with that - especially if it gives me a chance to be in rows, 1 and 2. I have never even been as close as rows 9 and 10, so in the 8 shows I am going to this year, I am sure that I will benefit once or twice at least (in rows 9 and 10).
I think this change is great. Obviously, the long-time members who are always in the first 3-4 rows stand to lose the msot from this, but really, who cares if you are in row 4 instead of row 2? In fact (and I hate to generalize because that is not fair) part of the reason for this change in my opinion is the fact that the band wants fresh faces up front because they are sick of seeing the same people up there show after show AND because many of these long-time members in the first few rows haven't been too in to the shows in recent tours. Sucks for those that are, that others ruined your chance for the front row at every show, but that's life.
BUT ... that said ... lets be sympathetic to those long-time 10Cers. there are a select group of people with low numbers who have paid their dues and been in the 10C for 15 years. Those people have always been rewarded for their loyalty with seats in the first 2-3 rows and now that is being taken away from them. These people are the only ones who lose in the new ticketing system, so can you blame them for not liking it? Calling them selfish is unfair.
I hear you Marcus..when I use my own number or go with my best friend thats where we usually are (or in the wings). Ya that will make a bit of difference, but at least you have some height working to your advantage lol. Even with my heels I have a hard time seeing if I'm too far back. Ohh well..I'm happy to have a shot at better seats with my number.
Also like Gtflygirl I have friends in low places too.
When I heard about this policy all I could think about is Eds speech in Hartford 06 about seeing the same people every night and referring to us diehards who don't wanna hear Even Flow every night as freaks lol. I think the band themselves have more to do with this change then one might think.
Bring on the East coast tour!!!
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
When I heard about this policy all I could think about is Eds speech in Hartford 06 about seeing the same people every night and referring to us diehards who don't wanna hear Even Flow every night as freaks lol. I think the band themselves have more to do with this change then one might think.
Bring on the East coast tour!!!
I think that was Albany 06... "everywhere we go I see the same F'in people"
Then a few shows later (was it Grand Rapids) and the swap and flipping people's seats around issues.... All hell broke loose then...
1996: Randall's Island I, Hartford
1998: MSG I, Hartford
2000: Jones Beach I
2003: Albany, MSG II, Mansfield II & III, Homdel
2004: Boston (VFC) I & II
2006: Albany, Hartford, Boston I and E. Rutherford I
2008: MSG I & II, Hartford, Mansfield II (saw BostonLou in the FRONT ROW!!) EV-NYC II
2010: Hartford
2013 Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Fenway I 2018 Wrigley II, Fenway II
Personally, I have yet to understand the fascination with being up front at a Pearl Jam concert. What exactly is there to see? Am I missing something here, is there treasure to be had in the first few rows? I guess I can comprehend the desire for certain girls to be close in hopes to catch a drop of Ed's sweat or a glimpse of Jeff's ever growing bald spot. But other than that, what exactly am I missing from one of the wing sections?
Hey Champ you need to pay attention more during Crazy Mary, RIFW and Baba.
Reasons people covet first row
1) WINE
2) Tambourines
3) Guitar pics
4) nods, smiles and other forums of acknowledgement from the band
5) Way more room in that row then others on the floor. (unless its GA)
6) Easier to get a setlist after the show
could go on. Yes I've had the pleasure...GA's, and kind security, but one kind jammer with a disgustingly low number sold me her extra ticket for Hawaii Blaisdale arena.
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
I think that was Albany 06... "everywhere we go I see the same F'in people"
Then a few shows later (was it Grand Rapids) and the swap and flipping people's seats around issues.... All hell broke loose then...
Hahaha I'm pretty sure it was Hartford...but I was at that Grand Rapids show. It was AWESOME! I scored 2nd row in that fiasco. (not on my number tho. 145xxx)
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
Personally, I have yet to understand the fascination with being up front at a Pearl Jam concert. What exactly is there to see? Am I missing something here, is there treasure to be had in the first few rows? I guess I can comprehend the desire for certain girls to be close in hopes to catch a drop of Ed's sweat or a glimpse of Jeff's ever growing bald spot. But other than that, what exactly am I missing from one of the wing sections?
I've been up front a couple times (not from fan club tickets) and I have to say, it is a different experience! I don't know how to explain it, it's just like, you're closer to the action. you're more involved when you can like see the music being produced or the "performance" so to speak (because there is one, really, which I think you don't notice until you *are* upfront).
Hey Champ you need to pay attention more during Crazy Mary, RIFW and Baba.
Reasons people covet first row
1) WINE
2) Tambourines
3) Guitar pics
4) nods, smiles and other forums of acknowledgement from the band
5) Way more room in that row then others on the floor. (unless its GA)
6) Easier to get a setlist after the show
could go on. Yes I've had the pleasure...GA's, and kind security, but one kind jammer with a disgustingly low number sold me her extra ticket for Hawaii Blaisdale arena.
Wow, they give out free wine, tambourines, guitar pics, and copies of the setlist for the fans in the first row? I do need to pay attention more. Thanks for the info, and now I am 100% in support of the new procedure..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
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the show last night was " hoy moon nah" lol
funny....i've always said "c'est la vie"....long before i ever visited france, and i've never seen pj in france.
et tu, jose?
c'est la vie indeed.....enjoy.
again, all very true.....we are ALL fortunate. i have never felt otherwise either. i have been very, very fortunate over the past few tours and i am thankful for it.
as i've said, it does seem that MOST fans, who post on this board anyway...regardless of 10c #...see this all as a GOOD thing. it'll be fun to see the *energy* for sure, no matter where you are!
Let's just breathe...
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Very true.
I will never understand why a person needs to insult another here, or how a person could act in a way that results in permanent banishment.
sweetheart u have no idea what im talking about
Totally different. Season tickets guarantee you your seats. Nowhere does the 10C guarantee tickets to shows. Over the years they have changed up ticket allocations (mail order, 1 pair per tour, then mail orders for multiple shows, then online). This is the next step and they can do what they want. Maybe they are sick of the same faces. Maybe they are listening to fans complain about never getting the chance to get up front. Maybe they felt this was a great way to keep the fans all charged up in the first few rows. Let's face it: fans get jaded. I've talked with people who get front row for 10-15 shows in a row, and more than a few have said they would be fine if they were back a few rows but that since they get front row tickets what are they going to do, hand them back?
I'm sorry, but I think people who are complaining about possibly moving back a few rows are being selfish. Name another band that essentially gets you the best seats in the house and you know you will get better seats than the general public every single time? C'mon...we're so damn lucky. Pearl Jam absolutely rules and we need to remember that it is all about the music and the experience, not how many low seat # tickets you can amass.
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you need to go back to PT, you are making to much sense. Let PT dumb you down a little then come back.
"We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08
Hahahahahaha
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Ed says a lot of things. I still remember from the Honolulu show before You're True Ed making a little speech (I'm paraphrasing) saying that the band has received tremendous support from the fans this tour and that seeing a lot f the same faces everywhere is incredible and that the fans have spoiled the band with their support over the years following them around.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
And if those same fans stop going to shows because they are in the 3rd row instead of the first, then they arent real fans.
"We're running out of beer, too?" EV 6/19/08
as a 22 year old who didnt have any money to spend casually until 2 years ago... i agree.
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
I wasn't stating that at all. I was just stating that Ed - at least that night - wasn't tired of seeing the same faces every night.
And trust me, I'll be nowhere near the 1st or 2nd row unless I hit the lottery. I travel around with my 18th-20th row seats and am just as happy.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
I say thumbs up.
I'm entitled to my opinion. I know you all feel strongly about yours. Sorry if I feel entitled, or if I got used to a certain row or seat. It just turns great seats into middle of the pack. I'm still going to enjoy it, but with all the bitching I've read here over the years in favor of doing away with seniority, I felt that this change required me to speak up.
I just know that I love this band and for someone to push me back to the middle of the floor in the name of fairness, seems like a bad idea. I also feel like this will encourage scalpers to get back in the fan club.
Alot of the people in agreement with the new policy are calling those who aren't babies or selfish. Is selfishness always bad? Aren't you being selfish by agreeing with the new policy. Oh, right, you guys are strictly for the people.
The fact is we've come to expect what we were given and told we earned before. If that's not the case, we have right to disagree. Sorry.
Fairness is in the eye of the beholder.
I hardly think moving back 2 rows is being pushed to the middle of the floor. What a bunch of crybabies.
8/15/92, 9/28/96, 8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/18/98, 8/3/00, 8/9/00, 8/10/00, 8/23/00, 8/25/00, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 6/18/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/1/04, 10/3/05, 6/19/08, 10/27/09, 10/31/09, 5/21/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/21/13
More to Come....
Again, my opinion. What's with the crybaby shit? Wanna know what I think of you? I'd could say something worse than crybaby, but I abide by the rules. No need to dis...
Please allow me to interject... for people in rows 10-14 it's not 2 rows it's four and in indoor venues that very well may mean the next section.
NOT COMPLAINING as I won't even be in MY seats. I have friends in low places.
Just stating the facts.
That's where I'm coming from.
yeah, 3 or 4 rows further back. who cares?
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Agree with everything you said, however, these people are acting like they were in the 10c for years and are now being pushed to nosebleed section.
Really, its just a few rows. Nothing groundbreaking. Nobody is moving the guy in row 2 to the 45th row of the floor, or the 1st row in the upper balcony.. he is being moved to row 4. not too shabby.
Thats why they are being called selfish.
2005 - 9/15, 9/16, 9/30, 10/1, 10/3
2006 - 5/5, 5/12, 5/13, 5/27, 5/28, 5/30, 6/1, 6/3, 6/23, 7/22, 7/23, 12/2
2007 - 6/27, 8/3
2008 - 6/14, 6/19, 6/20, 6/22, 6/24, 6/25, 6/27, 6/28, 6/30, 7/1
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
1998: MSG I, Hartford
2000: Jones Beach I
2003: Albany, MSG II, Mansfield II & III, Homdel
2004: Boston (VFC) I & II
2006: Albany, Hartford, Boston I and E. Rutherford I
2008: MSG I & II, Hartford, Mansfield II (saw BostonLou in the FRONT ROW!!) EV-NYC II
2010: Hartford
2013 Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Fenway I
2018 Wrigley II, Fenway II
Example: 185,XXX number
The Old System:
Back in Chicago 2000 - 29 rows back
Back in Chicago 2003 - 26 rows back
Progressively moving forward with people leaving/dropping. It would take years to get near the front though. However, the seats would better and better each year.
The New System:
If PJ Plays Chicago in 2008 - probably 24 rows back + 4 more = 28 rows back
BUT!! A once in a lifetime chance to get front row.
Your senority takes a bit of a step back for a few years immediately. However you do have a chance at front rows seats which you'd probably would never have. Even if you were a member for 20 more years.
sorry to disagree with you since you seem to be having some mercy on me, but no, we have not ALWAYS been rewarded for our dedication. it didn't start until i'd been in the fan club for close to 7 years already.
mostly, i'm more pissed at those who did stupid amounts of shows, have been front row 50 times or some other stupid fucking number, and totally ruined it for those of us who only manage to hit two or three shows a tour. i haven't been able to use my good seats since 03, so going all the way back for the last 5 years, i haven't USED the system, much less AB_USED it...and yet i pay the penalty.
i say they should have just limited you to something like 5 pairs per tour based on seniority, with no limit on shows you buy. after the 5th one, you go to the back of the seniority line....
ebay isn't evil people are
The South is Much Obliged
I hear you Marcus..when I use my own number or go with my best friend thats where we usually are (or in the wings). Ya that will make a bit of difference, but at least you have some height working to your advantage lol. Even with my heels I have a hard time seeing if I'm too far back. Ohh well..I'm happy to have a shot at better seats with my number.
Also like Gtflygirl I have friends in low places too.
When I heard about this policy all I could think about is Eds speech in Hartford 06 about seeing the same people every night and referring to us diehards who don't wanna hear Even Flow every night as freaks lol. I think the band themselves have more to do with this change then one might think.
Bring on the East coast tour!!!
I think that was Albany 06... "everywhere we go I see the same F'in people"
Then a few shows later (was it Grand Rapids) and the swap and flipping people's seats around issues.... All hell broke loose then...
1998: MSG I, Hartford
2000: Jones Beach I
2003: Albany, MSG II, Mansfield II & III, Homdel
2004: Boston (VFC) I & II
2006: Albany, Hartford, Boston I and E. Rutherford I
2008: MSG I & II, Hartford, Mansfield II (saw BostonLou in the FRONT ROW!!) EV-NYC II
2010: Hartford
2013 Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Fenway I
2018 Wrigley II, Fenway II
Hey Champ you need to pay attention more during Crazy Mary, RIFW and Baba.
Reasons people covet first row
1) WINE
2) Tambourines
3) Guitar pics
4) nods, smiles and other forums of acknowledgement from the band
5) Way more room in that row then others on the floor. (unless its GA)
6) Easier to get a setlist after the show
could go on. Yes I've had the pleasure...GA's, and kind security, but one kind jammer with a disgustingly low number sold me her extra ticket for Hawaii Blaisdale arena.
Hahaha I'm pretty sure it was Hartford...but I was at that Grand Rapids show. It was AWESOME! I scored 2nd row in that fiasco. (not on my number tho. 145xxx)
I've been up front a couple times (not from fan club tickets) and I have to say, it is a different experience! I don't know how to explain it, it's just like, you're closer to the action. you're more involved when you can like see the music being produced or the "performance" so to speak (because there is one, really, which I think you don't notice until you *are* upfront).
Wow, they give out free wine, tambourines, guitar pics, and copies of the setlist for the fans in the first row? I do need to pay attention more. Thanks for the info, and now I am 100% in support of the new procedure..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'