damage to the child should be order number one. I dont think a kid comes out screwed up because he slept in a bed with MJ. Mac has had problems as did Corey, but i think both had problems because they were famous when they were kids, as opposed to sleepovers with MJ.
The damage to the 2 accusers was not caused by sleeping in a bed with MJ. It was caused by growing up with deceitful and grossly disturbing parents, who brainwashed their respective kids.
These kids were minors. They cant just go where they want. parents had to approve of their staying at
You keep asking if I would let my kid stay at the house, and in the bed of a 45 year old stranger. I dont have kids, but the 2 accusers parents as well as the 4 witnesses for the defense, all did have parents who approved of their kid staying in the bed of MJ. So your partly right. It is wrong to sleep in the bed of a 45 year old if you are a kid, but on the same lines, if you are a parent and approve of such actions, what are you thinking? Its no surprise that both the accusers parents allowed such behavior, especially since both are liars.
The 2 accusers are brainwashed, maybe forever. All because their parents saw dollar signs as opposed to a potential friend of their kid.
So, Ive got two questions for your 2 questions at me.
1. If you lie and brainwash your kid into thinking they were abused and nothing abusive happened, what punishment is just?
2. whats the punishment for a parent who allows their child to go to sleep in another persons bed, an adults bed. knows about it, and actively encourages it, even okays it.
So, Ive got two questions for your 2 questions at me.
1. If you lie and brainwash your kid into thinking they were abused and nothing abusive happened, what punishment is just?
2. whats the punishment for a parent who allows their child to go to sleep in another persons bed, an adults bed. knows about it, and actively encourages it, even okays it.
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the parents who encourage such bullshit behavior should be strung up next to the pedophile and shot out behind the barn. it is so simple even a caveman could do it.
so if you ever become a parent you are ok with your child sleeping with a grown man?
btw, it took you 18 minutes to answer a simple and direct question.
and you beat around the bush, all fucking around with your long winded messages.
nicely done.
ultimately I dont get the point of arguing like you are. MJ's dead. Anyone who knew him can confirm he was destroyed after the accusations hit. It destroyed him. He died at 50. he's dead. Why argue petty stuff like you all are. Its not a happy story. Especially when the conclusion is reached he was more misunderstood than maybe any modern artist. You cant put him on trial for sleeping in a bed with a kid. He is dead. He's gone. The parents of the accusers are alive and well, freely walking about. You wanna talk justice, friend, like you were a few posts back, about the pot and child abusers.
How do 2 people lie, spread vicious lies, and still walk free, how is that justice?
I dont live in the past. MJ was cleared and anyone with an intelligence level beyond that of a kindergartner, can log onto a mutitude of sites that describe the details of each case and the lies and falsities uttered by the accused.
I want the 2 accusers, or at least their parents in jail, or served with a massive fine.
im not answering the question because its a non issue. mj didnt touch or abuse children. thats fact. end of case. end of story. period. what I choose to do, or you or Bob or Frank or whoever, thats meaningless, as long as nothing happens. If abuse occurs, yeah, lets serve justice. But its frankly none of my buisness what people do. And its none of your buisness what I do. As long as its above board and legal, and its not hurting others whats the issue here?
If I was to say I would, how would that have any bearing on this discussion at all? MJ didnt abuse kids so, my saying that my kids could sleep at a strangers house, has no bearing on anything, or MJ or me really.
If i was to say I wouldnt. how would that have any bearing at all? The fact that I wouldnt allow my kids to sleep at a strangers house, has no effect on this discussion, considering the "stranger" who parents allowed their kids to stay with, never touched them.
Its a non issue. Its little games people play. What if, What if, What if. Would you. Should you. Its mind games.
Michael slept in a bed with hundreds of kids probably and he never abused them. He could have slept in a bed with a kid until he died an old man at 80, and as long as he never touched them, the issue would be the same. He was innocent.
It seems to me you are blinded by your defence of MJ. You are promoting allegations against the accusers that are as unfounded as the allegations against MJ. If we stick to the facts their are disturbing facts on both sides of this story and disturbing allegations on both sides of the story.
None the less, it is totally unacceptable for a grown man (other than a family member) to invite children into his bed under any circumstances. Even with best intentions it opens you up to allegations that will be difficult if not impossible to shake.
I have no interest in the situation and have no idea if he is guilty or innocent, but from the facts I have seen (not the hype) it is strange, disturning and MJ should have known better.
You need to examine what your definition of the word 'abuse' is.
To me, a grown man sleeping in his bed with children constitutes abuse in itself. Whether he touched them, molested them or drugged them is largely irrelevant, the fact he shared his bed with kids who were not his is abuse in itself. MJ and you may see it differently, but as i previously stated, he should have (and probably did) know better, but thought fuck you all - I'm going to do what I want irregardless of society's standards on this matter. He was wrong and he left himself wide open to these accusations.
Let's change the name in the story:
School teacher sleeps with grade school students in bed at school camp on multple occasions even after being warned not to.
I wonder how long that teacher would keep their job and avoid charges? Let's imagine what Fox NEws would make of it - I can see Hannity and O'Reilly salivating at the thought of a show on this.
The media has a lot to answer for, as do the public who follow the cult of personality. It is this reason I don't watch the 24 hour news networks, reality TV, read TMZ, watch E-news, MTV or whatever else dumbed down shit is being served to us by a media that just want more dumbed down bums on seats for their advantage.
Michael Jackson may have been a wonderful human being, but he was also very stupid and opened himself up to this through his own actions. But let's get real, MJ did a stupid thing and nothing can defend or excuse that. The accusations didn't kill MJ, his drug abuse did. Like Elvis, he surrounded himself with people who enabled him and paid the ultimate price. Sad but true.
do you guys really think he harmed those boys? I know someone who put alot of time into looking at the facts of the case, and thinks he didn't. but we'll never know. still, I like to think he didn't--that he was so psychologically childlike that sleepovers were a norm for him--however, I would never let my child stay the night there. so yeah, I guess I'm a hypocrit. who isn't anymore.
mr. mike jackson was a very fragile individual.
nothing wrong with that, i like that.
but a line is drawn, or at least should be.
ok, so he's a child inside his mind.
someone, somewhere, should have stepped in and took counsel upon him.
you can be a child in your mind all day long and that's fine for some of us.
i am very much immature.
i basically do what i want and i suffer from some of my life choices.
it is not easy for some of us to come out of fantasy land.
i heard mike used to write poetry on his bed sheets.
i am very interested in this.
i been thinking about this quite heavily for the last hour or so.
this may be fantastic.
it is a constant search
it is inside boggling in a painful kind of way
yet beautiful...
interesting
a poetry teacher (also grammar nazi english genius) told us to write on the walls of our homes.
she said all poets/writers/artistic people will gain by writing on walls.
i once put up rolls of white sheet paper... not much materialized.
Q: What's the difference between Michael Jackson and a grocery bag?
A: One is white, made out of plastic, and dangerous for kids to play with and the other you carry your groceries in.
Q: What's the difference between Michael Jackson and a grocery bag?
A: One is white, made out of plastic, and dangerous for kids to play with and the other you carry your groceries in.
can't wait for the 1 year anniversary thread of gary coleman's death.
is this thread for real?
Agreed. I can't figure out what this thread is supposed to be about or what the OP intended. :eh: :think: :problem: :?
it's supposed to be about how bigmike is the greatest championship artistic human being to have ever been created in the history of time and space. supposedly, bigmike invented art and sleeping with very young people.
can't wait for the 1 year anniversary thread of gary coleman's death.
is this thread for real?
Agreed. I can't figure out what this thread is supposed to be about or what the OP intended. :eh: :think: :problem: :?
it's supposed to be about how bigmike is the greatest championship artistic human being to have ever been created in the history of time and space. supposedly, bigmike invented art and sleeping with very young people.
also hanging babies out windows. Mj sure put himself in crazy situations.
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horrible
just terrible
but funny
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
:twisted: do not temp me into destroying your desk
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
The damage to the 2 accusers was not caused by sleeping in a bed with MJ. It was caused by growing up with deceitful and grossly disturbing parents, who brainwashed their respective kids.
These kids were minors. They cant just go where they want. parents had to approve of their staying at
You keep asking if I would let my kid stay at the house, and in the bed of a 45 year old stranger. I dont have kids, but the 2 accusers parents as well as the 4 witnesses for the defense, all did have parents who approved of their kid staying in the bed of MJ. So your partly right. It is wrong to sleep in the bed of a 45 year old if you are a kid, but on the same lines, if you are a parent and approve of such actions, what are you thinking? Its no surprise that both the accusers parents allowed such behavior, especially since both are liars.
The 2 accusers are brainwashed, maybe forever. All because their parents saw dollar signs as opposed to a potential friend of their kid.
So, Ive got two questions for your 2 questions at me.
1. If you lie and brainwash your kid into thinking they were abused and nothing abusive happened, what punishment is just?
2. whats the punishment for a parent who allows their child to go to sleep in another persons bed, an adults bed. knows about it, and actively encourages it, even okays it.
2
the parents who encourage such bullshit behavior should be strung up next to the pedophile and shot out behind the barn. it is so simple even a caveman could do it.
so if you ever become a parent you are ok with your child sleeping with a grown man?
btw, it took you 18 minutes to answer a simple and direct question.
and you beat around the bush, all fucking around with your long winded messages.
nicely done.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
How do 2 people lie, spread vicious lies, and still walk free, how is that justice?
I dont live in the past. MJ was cleared and anyone with an intelligence level beyond that of a kindergartner, can log onto a mutitude of sites that describe the details of each case and the lies and falsities uttered by the accused.
I want the 2 accusers, or at least their parents in jail, or served with a massive fine.
If I was to say I would, how would that have any bearing on this discussion at all? MJ didnt abuse kids so, my saying that my kids could sleep at a strangers house, has no bearing on anything, or MJ or me really.
If i was to say I wouldnt. how would that have any bearing at all? The fact that I wouldnt allow my kids to sleep at a strangers house, has no effect on this discussion, considering the "stranger" who parents allowed their kids to stay with, never touched them.
Its a non issue. Its little games people play. What if, What if, What if. Would you. Should you. Its mind games.
Michael slept in a bed with hundreds of kids probably and he never abused them. He could have slept in a bed with a kid until he died an old man at 80, and as long as he never touched them, the issue would be the same. He was innocent.
None the less, it is totally unacceptable for a grown man (other than a family member) to invite children into his bed under any circumstances. Even with best intentions it opens you up to allegations that will be difficult if not impossible to shake.
I have no interest in the situation and have no idea if he is guilty or innocent, but from the facts I have seen (not the hype) it is strange, disturning and MJ should have known better.
To me, a grown man sleeping in his bed with children constitutes abuse in itself. Whether he touched them, molested them or drugged them is largely irrelevant, the fact he shared his bed with kids who were not his is abuse in itself. MJ and you may see it differently, but as i previously stated, he should have (and probably did) know better, but thought fuck you all - I'm going to do what I want irregardless of society's standards on this matter. He was wrong and he left himself wide open to these accusations.
Let's change the name in the story:
School teacher sleeps with grade school students in bed at school camp on multple occasions even after being warned not to.
I wonder how long that teacher would keep their job and avoid charges? Let's imagine what Fox NEws would make of it - I can see Hannity and O'Reilly salivating at the thought of a show on this.
The media has a lot to answer for, as do the public who follow the cult of personality. It is this reason I don't watch the 24 hour news networks, reality TV, read TMZ, watch E-news, MTV or whatever else dumbed down shit is being served to us by a media that just want more dumbed down bums on seats for their advantage.
Michael Jackson may have been a wonderful human being, but he was also very stupid and opened himself up to this through his own actions. But let's get real, MJ did a stupid thing and nothing can defend or excuse that. The accusations didn't kill MJ, his drug abuse did. Like Elvis, he surrounded himself with people who enabled him and paid the ultimate price. Sad but true.
oh no you didn't.
do you guys really think he harmed those boys? I know someone who put alot of time into looking at the facts of the case, and thinks he didn't. but we'll never know. still, I like to think he didn't--that he was so psychologically childlike that sleepovers were a norm for him--however, I would never let my child stay the night there. so yeah, I guess I'm a hypocrit. who isn't anymore.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 937187.htm
Aussie ABC is a very reliable and considered news source
Would have only been better if he was in a white bronco
I like this one the most.
nothing wrong with that, i like that.
but a line is drawn, or at least should be.
ok, so he's a child inside his mind.
someone, somewhere, should have stepped in and took counsel upon him.
you can be a child in your mind all day long and that's fine for some of us.
i am very much immature.
i basically do what i want and i suffer from some of my life choices.
it is not easy for some of us to come out of fantasy land.
you just don't do some things.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ9LnYYUA6E
only a prick would do such a thing
and mike is even in music and writes songs
he should have understood and felt that paul and the other beatles deserved those songs.
they wrote the fuckers.
very low, no class, arrogant, and disrespectful to the highest order.
that is my opinion.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
i am very interested in this.
i been thinking about this quite heavily for the last hour or so.
this may be fantastic.
it is a constant search
it is inside boggling in a painful kind of way
yet beautiful...
interesting
a poetry teacher (also grammar nazi english genius) told us to write on the walls of our homes.
she said all poets/writers/artistic people will gain by writing on walls.
i once put up rolls of white sheet paper... not much materialized.
let the games begin.
and thank you mike jackson for the insight.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
A: One is white, made out of plastic, and dangerous for kids to play with and the other you carry your groceries in.
is this thread for real?
A: Because there are twenty of them.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
this thread is brilliance at the highest order.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
ding
pretty funny stuf
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
it's supposed to be about how bigmike is the greatest championship artistic human being to have ever been created in the history of time and space. supposedly, bigmike invented art and sleeping with very young people.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
also hanging babies out windows. Mj sure put himself in crazy situations.
what kind of maniac dangles an infant out of a very high window
holy shit if he'd have slipped
oh my god
nice job mike
keep up the quality work
um...
wait a minute...
mike's been sent away
um :idea: nicely done.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce