Michael Jackson

Paul Andrews

musicismylife78 wrote:

Sleeping in the same bed is irrelevant, in this particular case, because nothing criminal happened. If we are talking the neighborhood felon at the house on the corner, who has a history of abusing kids, thats one thing. their is no record. No history. Nothing.

Thats why the whole thing is so baffling to me. You first hear about the allegations and wonder, what happened. You hear the case, and the trial, and the facts come out, over the decade that follows. And the smoking gun doesnt exist. No evidence exists at all that MJ did a single thing to any of the kids. In fact as I said, you have 4 kids, now adults saying nothing happened.

At a certain point you gotta stop the whole jokester act and just kind of deal with facts, with the evidence as presented.

I'm glad you're so forgiving, but if my daughter went for a sleepover or a camp or whatever and i found out she'd slept the night in an adult's bed, where that adult may have been naked and the adult admitted to 'cuddling and caressing' then that adult had better hope they are a faster runner than me because they'd be a dead man when I caught them.

This alone is unacceptable behaviour for an adult in the duty of care of a child. and no - i'm not calling him a rapist - just totally inappropriate.

arq

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chadwick

musicismylife78 wrote:

You dont find it more than a coincidence that some of the biggest celebs of our time, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Britney and the like all have made pretty spectacular mistakes, and none of them I would wager is happy. Theres a reason for that.

to my knowledge paris and lohan do nothing.
at least britney makes shit music and sells it like hotcakes to young silly kids.

paris and lohan spend money like mad and have little dogs and get loaded every night.
i see nothing of great value in either one of them.

musicismylife78

chadwick wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Sleeping in the same bed is irrelevant, in this particular case, because nothing criminal happened. If we are talking the neighborhood felon at the house on the corner, who has a history of abusing kids, thats one thing. their is no record. No history. Nothing.

Thats why the whole thing is so baffling to me. You first hear about the allegations and wonder, what happened. You hear the case, and the trial, and the facts come out, over the decade that follows. And the smoking gun doesnt exist. No evidence exists at all that MJ did a single thing to any of the kids. In fact as I said, you have 4 kids, now adults saying nothing happened.

At a certain point you gotta stop the whole jokester act and just kind of deal with facts, with the evidence as presented.

im curious and have a simple question for you.

are you willing to share your bed with children even after being accused of molestation?

So thats the whole point really. The point isnt that we crucified an innocent man and in some ways drove him to the stress the killed him. No the point is, he shared his bed with kids. Thats all we need to focus on. Not the fact he was innocent. Or had people saying they did the same thing with him and nothing bad happened. Nope the point is the deviant behavior. Its odd and wierd for a 45 year old man to sleep in a bed with kids, so lets dwell on that ad naseum. He was innocent, and a pariah, ostracized for the last 15 years of his life, ruined by the suggestion that he did something like that. But thats irrelevant. Keep your eyes on the deviant behavior. Innocence matters none. He slept in bed with kids? Really? Thats odd, thats eccentric.

Michael could have worshipped the devil, or thought he was a reptilian. Or was Jesus himself. But that all is irrelevant to the discussion. One being odd and wierd has no effect in terms of being a child molestor. In fact most arent wierd. Its the ability to blend in that allows them to continue.

But of course no one views that as odd. The whole suburban, white picket fence, trophy wife nonsense, we are told from birth is our destiny. Thats normal. THose people are normal. White collar, wealthy, those people standing next to MJ side by side, when asked who is a child molestor, who are most people gonna say? MJ or the white collar family? Why? Why do we view this facade of togetherness that the suburbs and that whole mentality, why do we value that more than people who are wierd?

MJ could have slept in a bed with kids every night of his adult life, but the fact remains he did nothing criminal, nothing illegal happened.

Gary Carter

so you would your let kids sleep with a 45 year old stranger. just answer the question and not make long drawn out post and hide behind them.

chadwick

Paul Andrews wrote:

I'm glad you're so forgiving, but if my daughter went for a sleepover or a camp or whatever and i found out she'd slept the night in an adult's bed, where that adult may have been naked and the adult admitted to 'cuddling and caressing' then that adult had better hope they are a faster runner than me because they'd be a dead man when I caught them.

This alone is unacceptable behaviour for an adult in the duty of care of a child. and no - i'm not calling him a rapist - just totally inappropriate.

again, Paul, you are genius.
i can't run fast at all so count me out of that equation.
but i do have access to something very quick though.
bullets are so fast we can't even see them fly.

chadwick

musicismylife78 wrote:

So thats the whole point really. The point isnt that we crucified an innocent man and in some ways drove him to the stress the killed him. No the point is, he shared his bed with kids. Thats all we need to focus on. Not the fact he was innocent. Or had people saying they did the same thing with him and nothing bad happened. Nope the point is the deviant behavior. Its odd and wierd for a 45 year old man to sleep in a bed with kids, so lets dwell on that ad naseum. He was innocent, and a pariah, ostracized for the last 15 years of his life, ruined by the suggestion that he did something like that. But thats irrelevant. Keep your eyes on the deviant behavior. Innocence matters none. He slept in bed with kids? Really? Thats odd, thats eccentric.

Michael could have worshipped the devil, or thought he was a reptilian. Or was Jesus himself. But that all is irrelevant to the discussion. One being odd and wierd has no effect in terms of being a child molestor. In fact most arent wierd. Its the ability to blend in that allows them to continue.

But of course no one views that as odd. The whole suburban, white picket fence, trophy wife nonsense, we are told from birth is our destiny. Thats normal. THose people are normal. White collar, wealthy, those people standing next to MJ side by side, when asked who is a child molestor, who are most people gonna say? MJ or the white collar family? Why? Why do we view this facade of togetherness that the suburbs and that whole mentality, why do we value that more than people who are wierd?

MJ could have slept in a bed with kids every night of his adult life, but the fact remains he did nothing criminal, nothing illegal happened.

i am baffled

musicismylife78

Paul Andrews wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Sleeping in the same bed is irrelevant, in this particular case, because nothing criminal happened. If we are talking the neighborhood felon at the house on the corner, who has a history of abusing kids, thats one thing. their is no record. No history. Nothing.

Thats why the whole thing is so baffling to me. You first hear about the allegations and wonder, what happened. You hear the case, and the trial, and the facts come out, over the decade that follows. And the smoking gun doesnt exist. No evidence exists at all that MJ did a single thing to any of the kids. In fact as I said, you have 4 kids, now adults saying nothing happened.

At a certain point you gotta stop the whole jokester act and just kind of deal with facts, with the evidence as presented.

I'm glad you're so forgiving, but if my daughter went for a sleepover or a camp or whatever and i found out she'd slept the night in an adult's bed, where that adult may have been naked and the adult admitted to 'cuddling and caressing' then that adult had better hope they are a faster runner than me because they'd be a dead man when I caught them.

This alone is unacceptable behaviour for an adult in the duty of care of a child. and no - i'm not calling him a rapist - just totally inappropriate.

Dont really understand the point of this post. MJ didnt take kids into bed to cuddle and caress or to be naked. The 4 kids I mentioned above all said as much.

Thats the whole road block of the issue. Of course, adults do horrible things to kids. No question. But theirs many problems with the leap from innocent day at Neverland, to abuse. For one, the family was always invited. Not one family member of either boy, the first or second accusers family, ever said they saw Michael do anything inappropriate. Pretty odd to me. These boys were basically living at neverland with their parents. The second boys family knew the guards and security by first name, they were there so much. So that to me is odd.

I deal in facts not hearsay. That seems to be several peoples brand of jabber here. I live in a world, where if someone is guilty, they are guilty, if they are innocent, well then they are innocent. Had their been evidence MJ was abusing kids, no way would I be supportive of that. But you gotta deal in facts.

MJ lived one life. He acted in certain ways. Did certain things. He never abused kids. But when people start mudding the waters and all that, saying "oh I wouldnt let a 45 year old sleep in the same bed with my kid", it as I said muddies the water. MJ was odd. Wierd. maybe he shouldnt have slept in those beds with kids. But nothing bad happened.

the wolf

musicismylife78 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Sleeping in the same bed is irrelevant, in this particular case, because nothing criminal happened. If we are talking the neighborhood felon at the house on the corner, who has a history of abusing kids, thats one thing. their is no record. No history. Nothing.

Thats why the whole thing is so baffling to me. You first hear about the allegations and wonder, what happened. You hear the case, and the trial, and the facts come out, over the decade that follows. And the smoking gun doesnt exist. No evidence exists at all that MJ did a single thing to any of the kids. In fact as I said, you have 4 kids, now adults saying nothing happened.

At a certain point you gotta stop the whole jokester act and just kind of deal with facts, with the evidence as presented.

im curious and have a simple question for you.

are you willing to share your bed with children even after being accused of molestation?

So thats the whole point really. The point isnt that we crucified an innocent man and in some ways drove him to the stress the killed him. No the point is, he shared his bed with kids. Thats all we need to focus on. Not the fact he was innocent. Or had people saying they did the same thing with him and nothing bad happened. Nope the point is the deviant behavior. Its odd and wierd for a 45 year old man to sleep in a bed with kids, so lets dwell on that ad naseum. He was innocent, and a pariah, ostracized for the last 15 years of his life, ruined by the suggestion that he did something like that. But thats irrelevant. Keep your eyes on the deviant behavior. Innocence matters none. He slept in bed with kids? Really? Thats odd, thats eccentric.

Michael could have worshipped the devil, or thought he was a reptilian. Or was Jesus himself. But that all is irrelevant to the discussion. One being odd and wierd has no effect in terms of being a child molestor. In fact most arent wierd. Its the ability to blend in that allows them to continue.

But of course no one views that as odd. The whole suburban, white picket fence, trophy wife nonsense, we are told from birth is our destiny. Thats normal. THose people are normal. White collar, wealthy, those people standing next to MJ side by side, when asked who is a child molestor, who are most people gonna say? MJ or the white collar family? Why? Why do we view this facade of togetherness that the suburbs and that whole mentality, why do we value that more than people who are wierd?

MJ could have slept in a bed with kids every night of his adult life, but the fact remains he did nothing criminal, nothing illegal happened.

I think you are missing the point that we, most of us here see nothing innocent about him sleeping in a bed with a child. He didn't have to touch them at ALL for that to be just a bit fucked up.

So the fact remains to most of us, that criminal or not, it was a fucked up thing to do, and most of us, are not cool with that at ALL.

If I remember right, you are mid 20's ? Would you yourself want to sleep in the same bed slumber party style with a 10 year old? I'm betting the answer is no. Why? Because you know it's fucked up.
MJ had no problem with it, so in my mind that makes him a bit fucked up.

Nothingman54

musicismylife78 wrote:

Paul Andrews wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

Sleeping in the same bed is irrelevant, in this particular case, because nothing criminal happened. If we are talking the neighborhood felon at the house on the corner, who has a history of abusing kids, thats one thing. their is no record. No history. Nothing.

Thats why the whole thing is so baffling to me. You first hear about the allegations and wonder, what happened. You hear the case, and the trial, and the facts come out, over the decade that follows. And the smoking gun doesnt exist. No evidence exists at all that MJ did a single thing to any of the kids. In fact as I said, you have 4 kids, now adults saying nothing happened.

At a certain point you gotta stop the whole jokester act and just kind of deal with facts, with the evidence as presented.

I'm glad you're so forgiving, but if my daughter went for a sleepover or a camp or whatever and i found out she'd slept the night in an adult's bed, where that adult may have been naked and the adult admitted to 'cuddling and caressing' then that adult had better hope they are a faster runner than me because they'd be a dead man when I caught them.

This alone is unacceptable behaviour for an adult in the duty of care of a child. and no - i'm not calling him a rapist - just totally inappropriate.

Dont really understand the point of this post. MJ didnt take kids into bed to cuddle and caress or to be naked. The 4 kids I mentioned above all said as much.

Thats the whole road block of the issue. Of course, adults do horrible things to kids. No question. But theirs many problems with the leap from innocent day at Neverland, to abuse. For one, the family was always invited. Not one family member of either boy, the first or second accusers family, ever said they saw Michael do anything inappropriate. Pretty odd to me. These boys were basically living at neverland with their parents. The second boys family knew the guards and security by first name, they were there so much. So that to me is odd.

I deal in facts not hearsay. That seems to be several peoples brand of jabber here. I live in a world, where if someone is guilty, they are guilty, if they are innocent, well then they are innocent. Had their been evidence MJ was abusing kids, no way would I be supportive of that. But you gotta deal in facts.

MJ lived one life. He acted in certain ways. Did certain things. He never abused kids. But when people start mudding the waters and all that, saying "oh I wouldnt let a 45 year old sleep in the same bed with my kid", it as I said muddies the water. MJ was odd. Wierd. maybe he shouldnt have slept in those beds with kids. But nothing bad happened.

no he should not have slept in bed with kids. He did it to himself. He paid alot of money to the family of a boy. Why would you pay millions of dollars if you didn't do anything? I sure wouldn't pay a damn thing if I didn't do anything. The guy did it to himself. He put himself in situations that got him in trouble.

Paul Andrews

musicismylife78 wrote:

Paul Andrews wrote:

Death of a person - plain and simple. Every death leaves pain for those close to the person and unanswered questions of some kind. A celebrity death is no more tragic or disasterous than any other, in fact often less so.

Try telling the parents of the little three year old girl who died close to here two weeks ago when she ran behind a reversing car that there was anything particulary special or tragic about Michael Jackson's death.

No matter the circumstances of his life, Michael Jackson made choices - many of them poor. He surrounded himself with people who told him what he wanted to hear and they did what he wanted them to do. Were they irresponsible? Probably, were they negligent? Probably. But he had the power to change things but he chose not to.

He was talented, he was tortured, he may have had a terrible upbringing. But he was also rich, powerful and the master of his destiny. Compare his life to a homeless peson living on the streets of any city - the same homeless some call bums or are disgusted by, the same ones no-one stops to help and few care about. They all have a sad story too, but I don't hear anyone morning them a year after their death.

I find it hard to feel sorry for people like Jackson, Cobain, Anna-Nicole Smith, etc etc etc when they all had the power to change their circumstances but instead chose the life they ultimately lost.

I find this post extremely condescending and rather naive. I didnt follow Anna Nicole, or her career so I cant speak on her, but with MJ and Cobain, I was a fan of both and both deaths hit me hard.

The notion you have that when you are rich and famous that you can change everything and crawl out of your depression or your despair, is pretty outrageous frankly. Cobain especially. The guy was as tortured as any modern day artist. He was merely 27 when he died. I am 26 myself, I still havent figured out my life's plan, and being a millionaire would be great, but fame and cash aint gonna solve my problems. Kurt sold millions of records, and was thought of as a spokesman for his generation. Cant really top those accolades. But how does that help him deal with his anger and sadness? Help him deal with quitting heroin? End his stomach pain? Help him deal with the most traumatic event of his entire life, his parents divorce? Just because you have wealth and fame doesnt mean you are more equipped to deal with the world and your emotions than the rest of us!

Same with MJ.

Its a misguided notion you are promoting and its one alot of people swallow whole. The idea that fame and money can make you whole again, if you are lost or depressed or worse. If we could talk to MJ or Kurt I would bet theyd argue in many ways it wasnt worth it. That fame isnt worth the price.

The power to change things? Thats a pretty condescending thing to be suggesting. So if you are rich and powerful, you should be free of pain and misery? How is a 27 year old supposed to know how to deal with and cope with both his own demons and the pressure and burden of being the spokesman for millions of OTHER peoples demons!? I dont even have My OWN life figured out right now!

You dont find it more than a coincidence that some of the biggest celebs of our time, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Britney and the like all have made pretty spectacular mistakes, and none of them I would wager is happy. Theres a reason for that.

Don't get me wrong. I was not being unfairly critical of these people - more of the 'newsworthiness' of it and the elevation of their lives to 'news' when the same shit happens to millions of people on a daily basis.

At the age of 41 I've been to hell and back a number of times. Been suicidal, attempted suicide and failed, been reckless with my life, survived situations I probably should have died. If i'd been famous I'd have created many a front page headline in my 20s.

Cobain's death came at a time when I was also deeply depressed and in a very dark place and felt there was no way out. I was sad of days after his death and really feared Eddie would be next. I kept thining of his daughter and how it must eventually affect her. But he was not the spokesman of a generation, that was a crappy tag the media place upon him - infairly. It was the lyrics of PJ that turned my life around - specifically 'rearviewmirror'.

I don't want to dwell on the circumstances of Combain and Michael Jackson per se, they are tragedies, but they are also media fodder and get turned into something far larger than they are. I feel sympathy to these people and their families but no more and no less than others who live alongside me. These people had their issues but they were no larger than those every other human being faces in living in this world. Are they more important than the impoverished family of four who have just lost their shit hole of a house becasue dad list his job or is an alcoholic? I say no.

Was Kurt's suicide more tragic than the four friends I lost to suicide between the 80s and now? No, they were equally as sad, all 5 of them felt their problems were bigger than they could overcome and they chose to exit rather than keep on fighting. I don't critisize them for this choice, just wished they'd made a different choice. To be in that hole is terrible and uless you';ve been there, people should not slag people who complete suicides.

But as I was trying to say, life is about choices and all of these people did have more means at their disposal to make better choices and see them through if they were committed to them. Everyone has a story and I've worked with kids who have had far more fucked up lives that MJ could every have dreamed, I just don't feel that someone celebrity should make their story any more important than an unknown. How do you tell a heroin addict 13 year old girl who was raped by mom's boyfriend, and then mom testified against her daughter in court (even though she knew the daughter was tellingthe truth because she caght the rape in the act), and threw her daughter out on the streets for 'trying to steal my boyfriend' that life is worth living? That is a real story and a kid I encountered when i was working in students services in a 'rough' school. She'd now dead (suicide) and her sister (also abused and thown out) is alive and doing well. They made different choices and had different strengths and motivations. But none the less, their story was more newsworthy yet this is probably the first time it has been told outside of the offices in which I worked.

I'd expect celebs to make mistakes, do drugs, have problems - the same as you and I - I just don't expect our so called media or 'reality tv' to be splashing their fuck ups all over the media - it is not newsworthy nor in the public interest.

Gary Carter

the wolf wrote:

I think you are missing the point that we, most of us here see nothing innocent about him sleeping in a bed with a child. He didn't have to touch them at ALL for that to be just a bit fucked up.

So the fact remains to most of us, that criminal or not, it was a fucked up thing to do, and most of us, are not cool with that at ALL.

If I remember right, you are mid 20's ? Would you yourself want to sleep in the same bed slumber party style with a 10 year old? I'm betting the answer is no. Why? Because you know it's fucked up.
MJ had no problem with it, so in my mind that makes him a bit fucked up.

well said

musicismylife78

ta stop the whole jokester act and just kind of deal with facts, with the evidence as presented.[/quote]

I'm glad you're so forgiving, but if my daughter went for a sleepover or a camp or whatever and i found out she'd slept the night in an adult's bed, where that adult may have been naked and the adult admitted to 'cuddling and caressing' then that adult had better hope they are a faster runner than me because they'd be a dead man when I caught them.

This alone is unacceptable behaviour for an adult in the duty of care of a child. and no - i'm not calling him a rapist - just totally inappropriate.[/quote]

Dont really understand the point of this post. MJ didnt take kids into bed to cuddle and caress or to be naked. The 4 kids I mentioned above all said as much.

Thats the whole road block of the issue. Of course, adults do horrible things to kids. No question. But theirs many problems with the leap from innocent day at Neverland, to abuse. For one, the family was always invited. Not one family member of either boy, the first or second accusers family, ever said they saw Michael do anything inappropriate. Pretty odd to me. These boys were basically living at neverland with their parents. The second boys family knew the guards and security by first name, they were there so much. So that to me is odd.

I deal in facts not hearsay. That seems to be several peoples brand of jabber here. I live in a world, where if someone is guilty, they are guilty, if they are innocent, well then they are innocent. Had their been evidence MJ was abusing kids, no way would I be supportive of that. But you gotta deal in facts.

MJ lived one life. He acted in certain ways. Did certain things. He never abused kids. But when people start mudding the waters and all that, saying "oh I wouldnt let a 45 year old sleep in the same bed with my kid", it as I said muddies the water. MJ was odd. Wierd. maybe he shouldnt have slept in those beds with kids. But nothing bad happened.[/quote]

no he should not have slept in bed with kids. He did it to himself. He paid alot of money to the family of a boy. Why would you pay millions of dollars if you didn't do anything? I sure wouldn't pay a damn thing if I didn't do anything. The guy did it to himself. He put himself in situations that got him in trouble.[/quote]

You ever read anything about the 2 cases? Cause it was a hell of alot more than just wierdo MJ doing odd things that led to his demise! Both families of Both accusers have shall we say interesting histories as well. The mom of accuser number 2, sued walmart and said she was sexual abused by the security guards. she demanded money. but it was later found out it was a lie. She had lied. To gain money. Your kid befriends MJ, or MJ befriends your kid, you stand to gain some serious cash if you play your cards right. Accuser 1, admitted not to his dad one night crying, upset. but the "confession" came after his dad a dentist, demanded his son use "truth serum" and tell him what really happened.

I agree. Look away from the real issue. Look far far away. The most cruel thing of all I think is the fact MJ deeply loved kids. And to have his latter years ripped apart by lies, supposedly uttered by kids. That as I said, was a contributing factor to his dying at 50.

No one talks about the kids or the parents of the accusers. What should be done to punish those who told such vicious lies that drove a man to his death? Whats the punishment for that? For the DA Tom Sneddon who took it upon himself to engage in a witchhunt. Or the press who were relentless in their coverage of "rumors". Who should pay? And how? And for how long?

musicismylife78

its an important issue. people should feel free to confess acts or crimes perpetrated upon them. thats important. if you are abused by your dad you have the right to tell someone about it. but if you say accuse a teacher of abuse or something, accuse the teacher or rape, and it is found out you lied, and nothing wrong happened, I think you deserve to be punished, just as the abuser would be punished if it was the truth.

And thats yet another issue I have with the justice system. The laws on the books for saying someone raped you, when they didnt, saying someone abused you when they did not, that is an issue that needs to be clarified and looked into.

Because lets face it, when you are on trial for something like that, even if you are aquited your life is over. There will always be people who say "gee did he do that?". And that is unbelieveably damaging. And its harmful.

I have no love or sympathy for people who abuse kids, or people who abuse anyone reguardless of age. But just as upsetting to me, equally upsetting are those who outright make up things, for fame, for money, for attention, for whatever reason, and end up ruining the lives of so many people.

Nothingman54

musicismylife78 wrote:

ta stop the whole jokester act and just kind of deal with facts, with the evidence as presented.

I'm glad you're so forgiving, but if my daughter went for a sleepover or a camp or whatever and i found out she'd slept the night in an adult's bed, where that adult may have been naked and the adult admitted to 'cuddling and caressing' then that adult had better hope they are a faster runner than me because they'd be a dead man when I caught them.

This alone is unacceptable behaviour for an adult in the duty of care of a child. and no - i'm not calling him a rapist - just totally inappropriate.[/quote]

Dont really understand the point of this post. MJ didnt take kids into bed to cuddle and caress or to be naked. The 4 kids I mentioned above all said as much.

Thats the whole road block of the issue. Of course, adults do horrible things to kids. No question. But theirs many problems with the leap from innocent day at Neverland, to abuse. For one, the family was always invited. Not one family member of either boy, the first or second accusers family, ever said they saw Michael do anything inappropriate. Pretty odd to me. These boys were basically living at neverland with their parents. The second boys family knew the guards and security by first name, they were there so much. So that to me is odd.

I deal in facts not hearsay. That seems to be several peoples brand of jabber here. I live in a world, where if someone is guilty, they are guilty, if they are innocent, well then they are innocent. Had their been evidence MJ was abusing kids, no way would I be supportive of that. But you gotta deal in facts.

MJ lived one life. He acted in certain ways. Did certain things. He never abused kids. But when people start mudding the waters and all that, saying "oh I wouldnt let a 45 year old sleep in the same bed with my kid", it as I said muddies the water. MJ was odd. Wierd. maybe he shouldnt have slept in those beds with kids. But nothing bad happened.[/quote]

no he should not have slept in bed with kids. He did it to himself. He paid alot of money to the family of a boy. Why would you pay millions of dollars if you didn't do anything? I sure wouldn't pay a damn thing if I didn't do anything. The guy did it to himself. He put himself in situations that got him in trouble.[/quote]

You ever read anything about the 2 cases? Cause it was a hell of alot more than just wierdo MJ doing odd things that led to his demise! Both families of Both accusers have shall we say interesting histories as well. The mom of accuser number 2, sued walmart and said she was sexual abused by the security guards. she demanded money. but it was later found out it was a lie. She had lied. To gain money. Your kid befriends MJ, or MJ befriends your kid, you stand to gain some serious cash if you play your cards right. Accuser 1, admitted not to his dad one night crying, upset. but the "confession" came after his dad a dentist, demanded his son use "truth serum" and tell him what really happened.

I agree. Look away from the real issue. Look far far away. The most cruel thing of all I think is the fact MJ deeply loved kids. And to have his latter years ripped apart by lies, supposedly uttered by kids. That as I said, was a contributing factor to his dying at 50.

No one talks about the kids or the parents of the accusers. What should be done to punish those who told such vicious lies that drove a man to his death? Whats the punishment for that? For the DA Tom Sneddon who took it upon himself to engage in a witchhunt. Or the press who were relentless in their coverage of "rumors". Who should pay? And how? And for how long?[/quote]

why should people pay for MJ's death? From that interview a few years ago "sharing bed" interview. He looked like he was having fun. He was still sharing his bed with kids. He didn't learn his lesson the first time. Seems like he was addicted to sleeping in the bed with kids. MJ killed MJ.

Paul Andrews

musicismylife78 wrote:

Or the press who were relentless in their coverage of "rumors". Who should pay? And how? And for how long?

Finally I find something you have written I can agree with. The 24 hour news networks who need something to broadcast - even if it is shit, lies or rumor. Add to this the rubbish that is served up on TV = especially reality tv and you have a massive dumbing down of pop culture and the elevation of celebrity.

It's the Cult Of Personality..........

Nothingman54

Paul Andrews

Cult of Personality by Livin Colour

Look into my eyes, what do you see?
Cult of Personality
I know your anger, I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights, A Nobel Price
The mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your T.V.
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you still you love me

I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality
Cult of Personality

Neon lights a Nobel Prize
A leader speaks, that leader dies
You don't have to follow me
Only you can set you free

You gave me fortune
You gave me fame
You me power in your God's name
I'm every person you need to be
I'm the Cult of Personality

chadwick

i know plenty of artistic people, me being one myself.
artsy folks are screwy in the head.
yes, i am a disaster.
i've always painted or wrote poetry at an alarming pace.
i feel the energy, it is all consuming and obsessive.

add being famous and money and you have a cluster fuck. (btw, i am broke as a joke)
some people cannot handle fame and money.
mike jackson was one of them who couldn't handle it.

estatic eccentric ppl are hilarious.
mike jackson is far from hilarious.
the guy had major unacceptable bullshit behavioral issues with children.

and why not women?
what man in their right mind sleeps with children when there are women or men everywhere?
odd.

Nothingman54