***ZiggyStar's Holy Grail has Arrived!!!!!!!***

Correction, there were 106 people who listed their grails, and now we have 20 people on the donation list - 2, as lukinfan and FF didn't include themselves in the draw... so there's still 88 people who should help out.

at least we have all their names on the list :twisted:

i'd donate because i love ziggy BUT i take on a mortgage tomorrow (TOMORROW!!!) and can't afford it. even though i love her.

weekapaug19 wrote:

LukinFan wrote:

weekapaug19 wrote:

the first time it was asked and where some of the names came from was just a generic question, what is your holy grail. It had nothing to do with putting your name in a hat to be in the running to actually get it. Also, I bet a lot of people didn't vote for who gets it. Is it fair to ask those people who didn't even vote for a donation? If I had some extra money hanging around, I'd throw in, but at the moment I'm in the process of buying a house/getting married, so monetary donations are out for myself. Going forward, I'll probably help out when possible if I can.

For the next round (if it happens again), the fairest way to do it would be to have a list of people donating to the cause, then assign each person a number and randomly pick one number from that group who is the lucky winner, more of a lottery than a popularity contest. if you donate more, you get more than one number, increasing your odds of winning your holy grail. ie. $10 = 1 #, $20 = 2#'s, etc....

that is exactly what Fenway Faithful and I were thinking about doing - along with D's filming contest expertise - a random drawling would probably be more fair. As FF already stated a few posts up, we were just trying to do something fun and helping someone get their holy grail.

ya, I still think this is a great idea and I wish I could help out more, just a more fair method of picking the winner going forward might help out the donation cause. if I didn't just get engaged and it wasn't phish tour month, I'd def. chip in (if you need help with anything not involving $, let me know).

Thanks weekapaug. You're a real cool cat. Have fun mulching your face off at Phish buddy.

There was no requirement for donating in my earlier thread. It was just to get a list of everyone in the same place so people could nominate who they wanted.

If you would like to donate a few bucks for Ziggy to get her item, that's great. If you don't feel like donating a few bucks, or your current situation dictates otherwise, that's fine too. Nowhere did it say people must donate a few bucks.

It is sad that somehow there has been poop thrown all over this cause, but it's all good. Next time we do something like this, we'll try something different.

Man, this thread is full of Debbie Downers

dimitrispearljam wrote:

im a little angry cos some fucked Ziggy's joy of winning...but negativity will not ruin this great idea..
as i said im in..if not alot friend donate and there is not enough money to buy RAPID CITY 98 POSTER - ITW LP - BENNY LP then ill sent her my ITW lp with the any cash Roger collect..if this fucked up and noone donate,ill sent it for free,,cos worth it and she deserve it!!!and the main reason is WHY she want one of those items..and im in the position to know why she ask on of those for her holy grail...
NO FUCKERS..YOU ARE NOT GONNA WIN..

See Dimitris, this is why you rock!

You got a heart of gold kid. Good karma coming your way.

weekapaug19 wrote:

the first time it was asked and where some of the names came from was just a generic question, what is your holy grail. It had nothing to do with putting your name in a hat to be in the running to actually get it.

I don't think shep (or anyone else) is counting the first holy grail list. They're counting the list that was collected in the thread whose purpose was clearly to enter into this lottery/popularity contest. I, personally, think it's a little shameful to put your name on that list and *not* contribute if you don't win. It's like someone else said: people are great with getting, but not so much with giving.

Personally, I feel if you have no intention of ponying up $5-20 for this cause, you have no right putting your name in the hat in the hopes that everyone's gonna pony up for you. This here isn't a charity, it's a luxury. I say it's well outside the spirit of this activity to try for free shit, then just walk away when you don't win. Besides, it's not like you get your money back for the raffleticket you bought at the VFW when you don't get the XBox.

weekapaug19 wrote:

Also, I bet a lot of people didn't vote for who gets it. Is it fair to ask those people who didn't even vote for a donation?

Nope... I say voting is free. Becoming a contestant: that's not free.

weekapaug19 wrote:

For the next round (if it happens again), the fairest way to do it would be to have a list of people donating to the cause, then assign each person a number and randomly pick one number from that group who is the lucky winner, more of a lottery than a popularity contest. if you donate more, you get more than one number, increasing your odds of winning your holy grail. ie. $10 = 1 #, $20 = 2#'s, etc....

Almost...

Yes, this was a popularity contest, and I don't think it was by accident. I think the stated purpose was to reward the most highly respected denizens of our little community for being good people. In that regard, I think the voting process perfectly fit the intent. It's not like they pull names out of a hat for Nobel Peace Prize, Humanitarian of the Year, etc. I thought it was pretty clear from the get-go that this was a popularity contest, and I'm ok with that. Good karma deserves good karma in return.

Now making this a random lottery... that's ok, too... but that changes the whole spirit. On one hand, you might lose donations to the cause b/c people don't feel strongly about probability as they do about how someone has helped them here or treated people. On the other, you might get more b/c more people who otherwise wouldn't care if Ziggy or Dimitris or Fenway or Cran ever got their grails might think they can get theirs...

Worth a shot. *shrugs* Loses it's umph tho. Seems like "My Coke Rewards" of Pearl Jam memorabilia, then. No longer about emphasizing community and more about emphasizing attention through the hope of free shit.

This is all coming from someone who doesn't post often, hasn't befriended many on the board, and is afraid of strangers so I don't know anyone from pre-gig meetups. I don't imagine I'd win any popularity contest around here. And that's fine.

PS: More $$$ = more chances in the hat... that just makes my heart sad.

[/self righteous rant]

Rearviewrelease wrote:

Another thing people may not realize is that people will take note of the names of the people who donated. This is a close knit community who cares about each other. PLUS, the more people who are willing to donate, the amount everyone has to donate drops way down.

Be generous!

So, all future winners would be based on whether or not you were on the donate list from before? Wow, this is getting crazier and crazier.

This is why all donations should be done quietly, anonymously, and without the intention of getting kudos for giving a donation.