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  • Paul Andrews
    Paul Andrews Posts: 2,489
    edited June 2010
    I'm listening to MSG2 for the first time and it sounds great to me, it's like I'm there and enjoying the show all over again. I have no complaints about quality.

    I think we all need to remember that these are 'bootlegs' - they are designed to mimic/replace the old days of sneaking in a tape recorder and then making tape to tape copies to share with your friends. I was rapt in 98 to get a shockingly recorded Perth boot. These are a dream compared to that, and yes, as a former musician I do understand the difference between a desk tape and a handheld. As 'bootlegs' the sound quality is never going to be as good as a live record they take back to the studio and 'work on'. The job is done quickly and as good as can be in the time/budget they have. Given these considerations, I think they do an amazing job on these boots.

    Thanks Pearl Jam & 10c. 8-)
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  • 12345AGNST1
    12345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    it seems like we have a crapload of audio junkies here. To me the worst bootlegs are the 08's and even they sound alright. It actually amazes me that anyone could think any of these boots are unlistenable. Its not like they were recorded with a tape recorder slapping against a jacket or something.
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  • MoonTurtle
    MoonTurtle Posts: 752
    Forward to me I'll listen and report how I feel
  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    it seems like we have a crapload of audio junkies here. To me the worst bootlegs are the 08's and even they sound alright. It actually amazes me that anyone could think any of these boots are unlistenable. Its not like they were recorded with a tape recorder slapping against a jacket or something.

    Exactly. I have only encountered one show ever that I felt was poorly mixed and even it's listenable.
  • twisted thoughts
    twisted thoughts Posts: 4,377
    Basically...to sum up the thread...it is impossible to please everyone. All we can do is at least appreciate PJ's effort. Thank you PJ...you guys fuckin rock!! :clap:
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    Are the spectrum set suppose to sound good?

    I just got mine and Corduroy is just alot of drums... some guitar parts are almost gone in the mix? Maybe it gets better...
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • megatron
    megatron Posts: 3,420
    rachellee420 wrote:
    Basically...to sum up the thread...it is impossible to please everyone. All we can do is at least appreciate PJ's effort. Thank you PJ...you guys fuckin rock!! :clap:
  • PJFAN13
    PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    jones wrote:
    rachellee420 wrote:
    Basically...to sum up the thread...it is impossible to please everyone. All we can do is at least appreciate PJ's effort. Thank you PJ...you guys fuckin rock!!

    +1 :D

    I remember the day where you'd go to a record shop, there would be some cool random PJ boot in the case - with a pricetag of between $35-$50...roll the dice, pick it up - just to have it sound like it was recorded thru an answering machine during an earthquake...

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion (long live freedom of speech!!!)...

    So humorous to me to read thru threads here and see "flac or mp3", "this boots sucks compared to...", "I wish they'd do this, or bring Brett back"... again, just humorous. I must be a simpleton. I went to MSG on 5/21. 15 days later I had the boot in my hands. And it sounds fantastic - on my computer, on my iPod and in the car. I am beyond grateful.

    Thanks PJ. Thanks Kufala. Thanks 10 Club. And thanks to all of you for your love of this band and for the conversation.
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    8.5.08(EV)~10.9.09~5.21.10~6.20.11(EV)~7.5.11(EV)~7.9.11(EV)
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  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    Are the spectrum set suppose to sound good?

    I just got mine and Corduroy is just alot of drums... some guitar parts are almost gone in the mix? Maybe it gets better...

    They sound fantastic to me. I have yet to see how anyone thinks these shows sound bad. Just cannot hear anything bad about it. Great mixes and awesome shows and set lists in my humble opinion. And that's on my old 6 year old computer at that.
  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    PJFAN13 wrote:
    jones wrote:
    rachellee420 wrote:
    Basically...to sum up the thread...it is impossible to please everyone. All we can do is at least appreciate PJ's effort. Thank you PJ...you guys fuckin rock!!

    +1 :D

    I remember the day where you'd go to a record shop, there would be some cool random PJ boot in the case - with a pricetag of between $35-$50...roll the dice, pick it up - just to have it sound like it was recorded thru an answering machine during an earthquake...

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion (long live freedom of speech!!!)...

    So humorous to me to read thru threads here and see "flac or mp3", "this boots sucks compared to...", "I wish they'd do this, or bring Brett back"... again, just humorous. I must be a simpleton. I went to MSG on 5/21. 15 days later I had the boot in my hands. And it sounds fantastic - on my computer, on my iPod and in the car. I am beyond grateful.

    Thanks PJ. Thanks Kufala. Thanks 10 Club. And thanks to all of you for your love of this band and for the conversation.

    It's a wonderful experience isn't it? :D
  • StuffnJunk
    StuffnJunk Posts: 897
    i have to chime in and say - these cds sound like utter shit

    and we payed money for them, they weren't a gift from PJ, so we are allowed to bitch

    they sound like audience bootlegs, or worse

    people rip on the 2008 boots, but compare Not For You from the Hartford 2008 boot with the version from MSG 2 2010, quite a change for the worse...in 08 you could actually hear stones solo...and thats just one example

    whatever they did to make the 2000 boots sound the way they did, they need to do it again

    and it looks like PJ listens to what is said on this board (Black Red Yellow @ MSG), so if enough is said on here about how bad these are, maybe they will put out a better quality product after the next tour
    "I'll tell you what: If all I had was Pearl Jam, and I didn't have another band in the world, I would not be worried. Because in there is the essence of making great music. You don't have to use it all at once, but it's there." - Neil Young
  • Staffan
    Staffan Posts: 606
    just got 2010 MSG II in the mail. popped it in, cranked it up, and guess what...............

    its Pearl Jam, its live, AND IT IS F***ING GREAT !!!

    the only headache I get is realizing I will not see them live this year either :(

    to you who got to see them or will see them soon, CONGRATULATIONS !!

    Peace, Love and Pearl Jam for all

    cheers
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    Some people say:

    They sound better than audience boots and we can relive the shows and for that they are perfect and we have no right to complain about it

    Versus the ones who say:

    We paid for them, they are a product (a very nice one) but they are making them sounding worse for no logic reason and if they once sounded (alot) better (2000/2003 and even 2006) they could and should make them that way again.

    I say:

    It is great that they offer bootlegs - really fucking great. But when you pay for them they are a product and you have the right to complain. So the idea is really superduper by why not start putting a little more effort in the mixing when they cost 17 dollars... and have sounded better... and also... offer them pressed and not on CD-R :)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • foriginalsin
    foriginalsin Posts: 713
    Before I got my boots, (Newark, Buffalo, MSG1 and 2), I thought people were just bitching needlessly. But I have to agree, these sound pretty bad. These boots do sound more like audience recordings. I agree with the Hoff when he said Eds vocals are echoey. Its like there is too much reverb or something. He also sounds like he is behind the mix as well.

    Another thing regarding these boots, b/c they're cdr, they have a real tough time playing in my car cd player. The 2008 series were also cdr but they work fine, its these particular cdr's that don't work well. Seeing how this is not a problem for everyone, I guess it doesn't really matter but it would be nice to get silver back cds if I'm paying $17 for them.

    Also people keep saying you have to be listening to them on a proper sound system. Well I have a pair of KRK studio monitors and they still sound the same. Not good.

    The question I want to ask is this: Does the band think these boots sound ok? I would really like to know, b/c if they do, then maybe we are all wrong. Do they even listen to them before they are sent out? I know, I know, they are wayyyyyy to busy, and have a million things to do with the band and family and everything else but still I wonder if theyve actually listened to them?

    BUT I STILL LOVE THE BAND AND EVERYTHING THE TENCLUB DOES. I AM TRULY GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING THIS BAND HAS GIVEN ME.

    What say you Kat? Sea? Santos?
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    Does anybody have a sample of these poor quality '10 boots? The Philly boots aren't too bad. Their method in 2003 worked great....buy show...mp3's within 48 hours at low quality...discs a few days after that and silver pressed. I wonder why they went away from something that worked well. I guess that method was too expensive.
  • Foo4Everlong
    Foo4Everlong Posts: 98
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    Does anybody have a sample of these poor quality '10 boots? The Philly boots aren't too bad. Their method in 2003 worked great....buy show...mp3's within 48 hours at low quality...discs a few days after that and silver pressed. I wonder why they went away from something that worked well. I guess that method was too expensive.

    The Philly 2009 boots are just that. They're from 2009. They sound good and should as they had six months to get them right. Plus the fact that it was a special event makes it all the more important to get them sounding close perfect, if not. The rest of the 2009 shows were available within two weeks or so after the show was over, but the Philly shows were held for whatever reason. I guess the reason I stated above. I'm amost wondering whether something went wrong somewhere and that's why they weren't released sooner. Like maybe they were completed and someone didn't like how they came out so they had to start over, or maybe there was a glitch with the audio. Just a thought.

    Anyways, I just received my 2009 box set today and was curious how 2009 sounded compared to the poor excuse for bootlegs that we've gotten lately. I popped in Melbourne from 11.20.2009 and was somewhat happily surprised. Obviously much better than what we've gotten lately. Ed's vocals were much more upfront as were the rest of the instruments unlike 2010 were everything sounds echoey, tinney, and distant. Now I haven't listened to the rest of the shows as I just got the box today, but plan on it just about everyday til I listen to them all. So my question is, if all of the 2009 bootlegs sound as good or at least close to Melbourne, than what happened from 2009 to now???? Is someone different mixing these than last year? How can these bootlegs change so much in a short period of time? It's fustrating! Ugghhh!

    And Lastly, hopethatuchoke, I just want to agree with u 100% as I also agree that the 2003 distribution of Pearl Jam bootlegs was the best! Order only through 10 Club, get decent mp3's of the show u want, which were up within 24 hours, in the meantime until the physical cd and fantastic cases come with silver cd's instead of common cdr's in the mail. The only problem might be that Brett Eliason was on the tour with the band in 2003 recording the show out in a truck just off stage, and I don't think they do this anymore with the truck. But I could be wrong. I think this is why it takes longer to get our shows these days as they don't do this kind of thing anymore. Here's hoping for better mixing for the European shows. Later
    Foo4Everlong
  • OGT92
    OGT92 Posts: 1,588
    StuffnJunk wrote:

    and it looks like PJ listens to what is said on this board (Black Red Yellow @ MSG), so if enough is said on here about how bad these are, maybe they will put out a better quality product after the next tour

    Or maybe they will say fuck 'em, they don't appreciate what we do, so no more bootleg program. And also they are definately better than audience recordings.
    "I read about the evils of drinking, so I gave up reading." - Henry Youngman
  • Better Dan
    Better Dan Posts: 5,684
    OGT92 wrote:
    StuffnJunk wrote:

    and it looks like PJ listens to what is said on this board (Black Red Yellow @ MSG), so if enough is said on here about how bad these are, maybe they will put out a better quality product after the next tour

    Or maybe they will say fuck 'em, they don't appreciate what we do, so no more bootleg program. And also they are definately better than audience recordings.

    WPB 08 audience recording sounds better than the official bootleg. Arguably, so does bonnaroo. I'm sure thy aren't the only ones.

    I hate to say it, but I think they've prbably lost my business on bootlegs this tour. I was planning on buying 6 or 7 CDS but after all the negative reviews it's hard to justify it. If people are comparing these to 2008 style, there's no way I'm shelling money for these..Sorry but the quality of the 08 boots was horrible. The mixing was waaay off. I loved the 09 boots so much though so I don't know what happened?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,465
    People should email Kufala about this. They seem to have great customer service so will at least look into it.

    And still - "at least there better then audience recordings" is not an argument when they sounded way better in 2003.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    People should email Kufala about this. They seem to have great customer service so will at least look into it.

    And still - "at least there better then audience recordings" is not an argument when they sounded way better in 2003.

    Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing and recording. All they do is burn the damn cd-rs from the recordings given to them already mixed and put the cds in the packaging and mail it.

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