Unlistenable 2010 bootlegs

ManOfTheHour75

given2fly23 wrote:

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

Can you share with everyone what you felt was bad about it?

Ed's vocals sound like they were recorded from the back of the arena and its way too much high end.

Maybe this year they really just wanted people to now how they sound if you happen to get tickets in the top row of the upper deck on the far side of the arena. I actually prefer my bootlegs to sound like it's being recorded a little closer to the stage but that's just personal preference I guess.

John Briggs 2008

given2fly23 wrote:

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

Can you share with everyone what you felt was bad about it?

Ed's vocals sound like they were recorded from the back of the arena and its way too much high end.

This was something I definitely noticed myself. It's different for sure. I don't mind that much myself but others have issue with it like you. Thanks for specifying.

John Briggs 2008

jnaught wrote:

given2fly23 wrote:

I have listened to every show that has been officially released (as well as 99% of the pre-2000 shows that were taped) and have never complained about the sound of the official bootlegs.

I listened to Columbus 2010 this week, and it is bad.

You've got to be kidding - the Columbus boot is amazing! If I didnt know any better I'd think Eddie was singing Oceans in my living room!

That's awesome. I will check it out later when I get home and see what I think about it. Thanks for sharing.

Foo4Everlong

Listening to the Euro shows, it's nice to see that whoever is in charge of mixing these shows got their shit together just in time for the European shows. It's really a shame that we had to wait this long for these bootlegs to be mixed the right way, or at least better than all the North American shows. From what I've heard on PJ Radio the bootlegs sound much better. What has changed from then til now? Why in the past years were shows sounding pretty consistantly the same from the beginning of the tour til the end? It really is too bad cuz the last four shows of the North American Tour were pretty epic, but the sound quality really suffered, thus making these epic shows almost unlistenable in my book. I also feel that the reason these Euro shows sound better is cuz we the consumers had a voice on these boards (thank u Ten Club) about the North American shows sounding so bad, and it got back to someone who made sure that anything forward would sound better. Now I don't think this will happen, but I think it would only be fair for those North American shows to be remixed properly and then reshipped out to customers who bought boots the first time around. Well, at least I can hope. Later

dimitrispearljam

Foo4Everlong wrote:

Listening to the Euro shows, it's nice to see that whoever is in charge of mixing these shows got their shit together just in time for the European shows. It's really a shame that we had to wait this long for these bootlegs to be mixed the right way, or at least better than all the North American shows. From what I've heard on PJ Radio the bootlegs sound much better. What has changed from then til now? Why in the past years were shows sounding pretty consistantly the same from the beginning of the tour til the end? It really is too bad cuz the last four shows of the North American Tour were pretty epic, but the sound quality really suffered, thus making these epic shows almost unlistenable in my book. I also feel that the reason these Euro shows sound better is cuz we the consumers had a voice on these boards (thank u Ten Club) about the North American shows sounding so bad, and it got back to someone who made sure that anything forward would sound better. Now I don't think this will happen, but I think it would only be fair for those North American shows to be remixed properly and then reshipped out to customers who bought boots the first time around. Well, at least I can hope. Later

europe shows need more time to come out cos need to get back from europe to us with the whole crew and gear.....the mixed time dont think was a problem.. for me for exable Boston sound was really good..and from 11 shows in europe shows the 9 was outdoors ...already the ones we listen so far, the outdoors shows was way better than the 2 indoors dublin and belfast..

dimitrispearljam

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing and recording. All they do is burn the damn cd-rs from the recordings given to them already mixed and put the cds in the packaging and mail it.

are u sure about that?i think kufala do the mixing as well..
as for the thread..i think pearl jam,10c ,doing a great thing giving us the bootlegs,the sound is great,atleast at europe boots i listen so far and i like alot Boston and Msg 2 sound...and in the end those are bootlegs,not studio albums....i listen Berlin 2010 again now,and really..come on..what more anyone can ask??its just perfect

froggy bunnyman

Belfast boot kicks ass !!

dimitrispearljam

froggy bunnyman wrote:

Belfast boot kicks ass !!

from black till the end of the show yes..the sound is strange at the rest of the songs..

John Briggs 2008

dimitrispearljam wrote:

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing and recording. All they do is burn the damn cd-rs from the recordings given to them already mixed and put the cds in the packaging and mail it.

are u sure about that?i think kufala do the mixing as well..
as for the thread..i think pearl jam,10c ,doing a great thing giving us the bootlegs,the sound is great,atleast at europe boots i listen so far and i like alot Boston and Msg 2 sound...and in the end those are bootlegs,not studio albums....i listen Berlin 2010 again now,and really..come on..what more anyone can ask??its just perfect

I am very sure. Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing process. Ask them.

dimitrispearljam

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing and recording. All they do is burn the damn cd-rs from the recordings given to them already mixed and put the cds in the packaging and mail it.

are u sure about that?i think kufala do the mixing as well..
as for the thread..i think pearl jam,10c ,doing a great thing giving us the bootlegs,the sound is great,atleast at europe boots i listen so far and i like alot Boston and Msg 2 sound...and in the end those are bootlegs,not studio albums....i listen Berlin 2010 again now,and really..come on..what more anyone can ask??its just perfect

I am very sure. Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing process. Ask them.

you are right..

Abe Froman

I think they sound pretty fucking good myself.

lowlight79

I am defintately one of those who feels that the band should remix then, it's time to stop denying the problem exists. Columbus, Bristow, Hartford & Newark are pretty bad.

unlost dogs

When I listen to "RVM" from Boston 2010 my fillings vibrate, my eyeballs extrude out of their sockets, and my nose begins to bleed.

Does that happen to anyone else?

AmherstJammer

unlost dogs wrote:

When I listen to "RVM" from Boston 2010 my fillings vibrate, my eyeballs extrude out of their sockets, and my nose begins to bleed.

Does that happen to anyone else?

Yes! And that is exactly what a great boot should do and Boston is a fantastic boot! I think I have listened to this show a good 15 times.

blondieblue227

i have all 5 boots of the shows i've been to over the years and bristow 2010 is the worse. all ed and matt...barely hear the guitar.
what happened that tour? usually the boots sound great.

blondieblue227

lowlight79 wrote:

I am defintately one of those who feels that the band should remix then, it's time to stop denying the problem exists. Columbus, Bristow, Hartford & Newark are pretty bad.

yes please remix!
and maybe sell for $5.00 mp3

UpSideDown

Columbus sounds pretty poopy on PJ radio, even though the show was great.

Buffalo is okay, but kind of sounds distant and thin - like it was recorded by one of the beer stands.....

Cleveland and Hartford were better.

BinFrog

blondieblue227 wrote:

lowlight79 wrote:

I am defintately one of those who feels that the band should remix then, it's time to stop denying the problem exists. Columbus, Bristow, Hartford & Newark are pretty bad.

yes please remix!
and maybe sell for $5.00 mp3

Remix and then sell as mp3? Hence defeating the whole purpose of remixing? No thanks.

maxDaddy

Hmm, interesting thread that is just coming back to life now that the European shows are available. Listening to Dublin now (flac, headphones) and I must say I am pretty happy. Drums sound good, nice stereo mixing, Jeff is actually audible, unlike some of the NA shows, and Mike and Stone have good left/right separation.... Eddie sounds nice and clear but not in your face-- I am noticing that Mike appears to have had some technical difficulties with his guitar or amp at times in the first few songs. It kind of shorts out a little bit here and there. Of course not a problem with the recording itself, or the mix, simply an artifact of what happened at the show itself. Crowd is blended nicely as well. Not too much, but enough to hear during some of the singalong parts....

Foo4Everlong

maxDaddy wrote:

Hmm, interesting thread that is just coming back to life now that the European shows are available. Listening to Dublin now (flac, headphones) and I must say I am pretty happy. Drums sound good, nice stereo mixing, Jeff is actually audible, unlike some of the NA shows, and Mike and Stone have good left/right separation.... Eddie sounds nice and clear but not in your face-- I am noticing that Mike appears to have had some technical difficulties with his guitar or amp at times in the first few songs. It kind of shorts out a little bit here and there. Of course not a problem with the recording itself, or the mix, simply an artifact of what happened at the show itself. Crowd is blended nicely as well. Not too much, but enough to hear during some of the singalong parts....

Well said! ^^^^

For those of u that think the North American shows sound "eye popping amazing" do u either have bootlegs from from 2000-2006 or have at least listened to them so u can A-B them next to these horribly mixed 2010 shows? I am a collector of PJ bootlegs going all the way back to the bands inception. I have had my fair share of awful sounding audience bootlegs, but when PJ decided to release their own soundboard versions of their shows starting in 2000, now I don't even bother with audience recordings at all anymore because PJ's people did such an amazing job mixing and releasing these bootlegs to the masses. My major problem is, how can the shows going back to 2008 sound so much worse than 2000-2006. I know the major difference is that Brett Eliason doesn't mix the shows anymore like he did from 2000-2006. But still, should they be NOTICEABLY different? I say no. It's the inconsistancy that I have a problem with. Someone in another thread said it perfectly, they said these 2010 bootlegs sound like a wall of sound all bunched together instead of individually channeled like they were done before and should be done. The Berlin and Gdynia that I listened to yesterday seem to have this formula down a little better, which really makes me more upset because why couldn't they achieve this before with some of the longer NA shows? Nothing against some of the Euro shows but a good number of them are festival shows which we all know PJ will play a shorter set. I mean, just listen to Newark being the worst of them all. It sounds as if u were sitting outside the venue listening to the show while the band was playing inside of a tin can. For those of u that have only listened to 2010 shows, I challenge u to go A-B 2010 against anything from 2000-2006, then tell me that 2010 is still amazing. Compared to the "brand" that PJ has put out already, 2008/2010 (and maybe 2009) is not that same brand. Later