Unlistenable 2010 bootlegs

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  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Spencer wrote:
    There's a huge and very audible difference in the quality of the boots since Brett Eliason left. It's a shame but hey, what ya gonna do. I doubt anything's going to change much, there's been slight improvements from 2008 through to 2010 but unless Brett comes back into the team, I don't predict any major changes for the better.

    At least we've got the 2000 boots to enjoy, they're a total treat in both performance and sound quality.

    Amen... you could say we were lucky to have Brett in charge when we did... might say we were spoiled.

    I would definitely not say the new boots are "unlistenable".
  • kenny olav wrote:
    Spencer wrote:
    There's a huge and very audible difference in the quality of the boots since Brett Eliason left. It's a shame but hey, what ya gonna do. I doubt anything's going to change much, there's been slight improvements from 2008 through to 2010 but unless Brett comes back into the team, I don't predict any major changes for the better.

    At least we've got the 2000 boots to enjoy, they're a total treat in both performance and sound quality.

    Amen... you could say we were lucky to have Brett in charge when we did... might say we were spoiled.

    I would definitely not say the new boots are "unlistenable".

    Spoiled indeed.

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  • heyjoseheyjose Melbourne, Australia Posts: 503
    heyjose wrote:
    I agree with much of what has been said here. I'm grateful for the opportunity to hear a fairly decent quality recording of these shows, but forking out the cash to do so each time and getting a sub-par product in return... that does suck, and I don't think the band would prefer it that way either.

    Can anyone tell me which 2010 ones are worth buying?

    So far have Columbus, Cleveland and MSG2, and Columbus is the best sounding by far.

    Exactly what makes them subpar?

    I'm a big fan of the 2006 boots - the majority of them anyways. Love the recordings of LA3 and 4, Melbourne and Brisbane 2009, and, of course, Philly. To my ears, a boot like MSG2, which by all accounts was an epic show, does not stack up to these and do the show justice. Reminds me more of a high quality audience recording. It seems to me like a lot of people agree. I do acknowledge that the venue acoustics may be detrimental (or am I totally off here?).

    Anyone heard the Coldplay recording "Leftrightleftright"? May not be everyone's cup of tea music wise, but damn it sounds gooood.

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  • If you went to your favorite restaurant and always ordered a delicious juicy steak and then all of a sudden they started to serve you a chewy dried up chunk of meat would you complain or just be thankful for your food?

    1. You choose to return to the restaurant after being served a bad meal in hopes that they were just a bad day... You return to Pearl Jam because they freakin rock and they are human....we cant all be perfect all the time.

    2. You promote http://www.pearljamboots.com in your signature whilst simultaneously complaining about the boots :lol: :think:

    3. Has anyone taken into consideration that each venue has different sound? Some complain about crowd noise too loud, or PJ having too much echo....did you consider it was an indoor venue and the loud sound is bouncing off the walls? Same goes for outdoor venues...some sound may just trail off making some speculate that the sound wasnt quite as loud as another boot.....OR the fact that these guys are somehow still running around in circles (Mike, Stone) or Eddie jumping, climbing, falling on his ass possibly taking him away from the mic for a second.....you cant see that while listening to the boot - you just assume Stone, Mike, Eddie just got "lost in the mix" for a second.

    If we all can't agree on the quality of items that this band provides...can we at least make a point to show some love for their attempts? Just out of curiosity, how many other bands provide boots of each and every night of their shows....for a nominal price? Aside from Phish I personally am not aware of any others....
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  • The 2010 boots are mixed horribly, plain and simple. You can't hear Stone, Mike's level goes up and down indescriminantly, the audience mics are way too loud causing a massive echo (probably because people were complaining that there wasn't enough crowd noise). They are without a doubt the worst PJ boots ever. So bad, in fact, that I am not going to pay for them.
  • If you went to your favorite restaurant and always ordered a delicious juicy steak and then all of a sudden they started to serve you a chewy dried up chunk of meat would you complain or just be thankful for your food?

    1. You choose to return to the restaurant after being served a bad meal in hopes that they were just a bad day... You return to Pearl Jam because they freakin rock and they are human....we cant all be perfect all the time.

    2. You promote http://www.pearljamboots.com in your signature whilst simultaneously complaining about the boots :lol: :think:

    3. Has anyone taken into consideration that each venue has different sound? Some complain about crowd noise too loud, or PJ having too much echo....did you consider it was an indoor venue and the loud sound is bouncing off the walls? Same goes for outdoor venues...some sound may just trail off making some speculate that the sound wasnt quite as loud as another boot.....OR the fact that these guys are somehow still running around in circles (Mike, Stone) or Eddie jumping, climbing, falling on his ass possibly taking him away from the mic for a second.....you cant see that while listening to the boot - you just assume Stone, Mike, Eddie just got "lost in the mix" for a second.

    If we all can't agree on the quality of items that this band provides...can we at least make a point to show some love for their attempts? Just out of curiosity, how many other bands provide boots of each and every night of their shows....for a nominal price? Aside from Phish I personally am not aware of any others....

    I don't see where Paul has promoted my site http://www.pearljamboots.com at all in his posts. You must be confusing him with me. Also, my site link is in my signature and not his and I also have not complained about the bootlegs at all in this thread. I have posted in a very supportive and constructive manner to ensure that this thread doesn't sway away from constructive feedback regarding the bootlegs. People have various opinions and they all count and the band camp pays attention. So I spend time in this thread to ensure that all feedback is informative and valid to the point. Why? Because I care and don't want it to be taken out of context. Take a look here at my stance and concerns: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=134823&start=165#p3052915

    Ps. What does my site have to do with any of this thread to begin with? :|
  • If you went to your favorite restaurant and always ordered a delicious juicy steak and then all of a sudden they started to serve you a chewy dried up chunk of meat would you complain or just be thankful for your food?

    1. You choose to return to the restaurant after being served a bad meal in hopes that they were just a bad day... You return to Pearl Jam because they freakin rock and they are human....we cant all be perfect all the time.

    2. You promote http://www.pearljamboots.com in your signature whilst simultaneously complaining about the boots :lol: :think:

    3. Has anyone taken into consideration that each venue has different sound? Some complain about crowd noise too loud, or PJ having too much echo....did you consider it was an indoor venue and the loud sound is bouncing off the walls? Same goes for outdoor venues...some sound may just trail off making some speculate that the sound wasnt quite as loud as another boot.....OR the fact that these guys are somehow still running around in circles (Mike, Stone) or Eddie jumping, climbing, falling on his ass possibly taking him away from the mic for a second.....you cant see that while listening to the boot - you just assume Stone, Mike, Eddie just got "lost in the mix" for a second.

    If we all can't agree on the quality of items that this band provides...can we at least make a point to show some love for their attempts? Just out of curiosity, how many other bands provide boots of each and every night of their shows....for a nominal price? Aside from Phish I personally am not aware of any others....

    I don't see where Paul has promoted my site http://www.pearljamboots.com at all in his posts. You must be confusing him with me. Also, my site link is in my signature and not his and I also have not complained about the bootlegs at all in this thread. I have posted in a very supportive and constructive manner to ensure that this thread doesn't sway away from constructive feedback regarding the bootlegs. People have various opinions and they all count and the band camp pays attention. So I spend time in this thread to ensure that all feedback is informative and valid to the point. Why? Because I care and don't want it to be taken out of context. Take a look here at my stance and concerns: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=134823&start=165#p3052915

    Ps. What does my site have to do with any of this thread to begin with? :|

    damnit...my bad dude.... :oops: i was looking back and forth btw your rants w/ him and gotem confused....

    think its time for me to start ignoring this thread....its just frustrating 8-)
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  • damnit...my bad dude.... :oops: i was looking back and forth btw your rants w/ him and gotem confused....

    No problem. Shit happens. :D Paul and I have a great deal of respect for one another and most of us know written form is a difficult means to communicate in regards to perception. I didn't agree with some of his analogies and debated it and he cleared his stance up. It's all fair play my friend. :D
  • lockedlocked Boston Posts: 4,048
    you know this got me to think..

    anyone up to a re-mastering project for some select favorites?

    I've seen folks re-master audience bootlegs...

    why not give Boston, MSG and some other 2010 boots a shot?

    :?:
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,954
    I haven't purchased any boots at all last one's i bought were from 08 I'm passing on these also ...
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  • RITFWinCORITFWinCO Posts: 217
    Well I am not usually one to notice these things as well as some others do, but I will say i was disappointed with the Toronto 09 boot and I just loved that show. From what I read, 09 was a mixed bag for boots...compared to prior years at least.

    The less-than-stellar comments about the 2010 boot sound has led me to take my time deciding what to buy. In the past, I would have bought a highly-reviewed show (e.g. MSG 2) right away bc I took the boot quallity for granted. I am slightly more discerning now...
  • locked wrote:
    you know this got me to think..

    anyone up to a re-mastering project for some select favorites?

    I've seen folks re-master audience bootlegs...

    why not give Boston, MSG and some other 2010 boots a shot?

    :?:

    It's the mix that sucks, not the mastering. You can't fix that.
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 42,829
    I'm perfectly happy with the boots i got :D
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  • I'm glad a few of us have raised awareness on the issue of the poorly mixed 2010 boots.

    I hope people realize that the reason I am so critical of them is because I truly care about the sound quality of the bands bootlegs. I would say that I listen to about a 90% to 10% split between live Pearl Jam and their studio albums. I love listening to live Pearl Jam and I just want their bootlegs to sound as good as they possibly can. Which shouldn't be so hard considering that they have entire tours of really great sounding bootlegs. I really think they need to look to the past to try and fix this problem.
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  • given2fly23given2fly23 Evanston, IL Posts: 6,019
    I have listened to every show that has been officially released (as well as 99% of the pre-2000 shows that were taped) and have never complained about the sound of the official bootlegs.

    I listened to Columbus 2010 this week, and it is bad.
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  • I have listened to every show that has been officially released (as well as 99% of the pre-2000 shows that were taped) and have never complained about the sound of the official bootlegs.

    I listened to Columbus 2010 this week, and it is bad.

    Can you share with everyone what you felt was bad about it?
  • lockedlocked Boston Posts: 4,048
    edited June 2010
    locked wrote:
    you know this got me to think..

    anyone up to a re-mastering project for some select favorites? Why not? I seen people remaster all sorts of audio!

    I've seen folks re-master audience bootlegs...

    why not give Boston, MSG and some other 2010 boots a shot?

    :?:

    It's the mix that sucks, not the mastering. You can't fix that.
    Post edited by locked on
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  • lockedlocked Boston Posts: 4,048
    locked wrote:
    locked wrote:

    anyone up to a re-mastering project for some select favoritesaudio!

    I've seen folks re-master audience bootlegs...

    why not give Boston, MSG and some other 2010 boots a shot?

    :?:

    It's the mix that sucks, not the mastering. You can't fix that.
    "This here's a REQUEST!"
    EV intro to Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns
    10/25/13 Hartford
  • jnaughtjnaught Posts: 74
    I have listened to every show that has been officially released (as well as 99% of the pre-2000 shows that were taped) and have never complained about the sound of the official bootlegs.

    I listened to Columbus 2010 this week, and it is bad.

    You've got to be kidding - the Columbus boot is amazing! If I didnt know any better I'd think Eddie was singing Oceans in my living room!
  • given2fly23given2fly23 Evanston, IL Posts: 6,019
    Can you share with everyone what you felt was bad about it?

    Ed's vocals sound like they were recorded from the back of the arena and its way too much high end.
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  • Can you share with everyone what you felt was bad about it?

    Ed's vocals sound like they were recorded from the back of the arena and its way too much high end.

    Maybe this year they really just wanted people to now how they sound if you happen to get tickets in the top row of the upper deck on the far side of the arena. I actually prefer my bootlegs to sound like it's being recorded a little closer to the stage but that's just personal preference I guess.
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  • Can you share with everyone what you felt was bad about it?

    Ed's vocals sound like they were recorded from the back of the arena and its way too much high end.

    This was something I definitely noticed myself. It's different for sure. I don't mind that much myself but others have issue with it like you. Thanks for specifying.
  • jnaught wrote:
    I have listened to every show that has been officially released (as well as 99% of the pre-2000 shows that were taped) and have never complained about the sound of the official bootlegs.

    I listened to Columbus 2010 this week, and it is bad.

    You've got to be kidding - the Columbus boot is amazing! If I didnt know any better I'd think Eddie was singing Oceans in my living room!

    That's awesome. I will check it out later when I get home and see what I think about it. Thanks for sharing. :D
  • Listening to the Euro shows, it's nice to see that whoever is in charge of mixing these shows got their shit together just in time for the European shows. It's really a shame that we had to wait this long for these bootlegs to be mixed the right way, or at least better than all the North American shows. From what I've heard on PJ Radio the bootlegs sound much better. What has changed from then til now? Why in the past years were shows sounding pretty consistantly the same from the beginning of the tour til the end? It really is too bad cuz the last four shows of the North American Tour were pretty epic, but the sound quality really suffered, thus making these epic shows almost unlistenable in my book. I also feel that the reason these Euro shows sound better is cuz we the consumers had a voice on these boards (thank u Ten Club) about the North American shows sounding so bad, and it got back to someone who made sure that anything forward would sound better. Now I don't think this will happen, but I think it would only be fair for those North American shows to be remixed properly and then reshipped out to customers who bought boots the first time around. Well, at least I can hope. Later
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    Listening to the Euro shows, it's nice to see that whoever is in charge of mixing these shows got their shit together just in time for the European shows. It's really a shame that we had to wait this long for these bootlegs to be mixed the right way, or at least better than all the North American shows. From what I've heard on PJ Radio the bootlegs sound much better. What has changed from then til now? Why in the past years were shows sounding pretty consistantly the same from the beginning of the tour til the end? It really is too bad cuz the last four shows of the North American Tour were pretty epic, but the sound quality really suffered, thus making these epic shows almost unlistenable in my book. I also feel that the reason these Euro shows sound better is cuz we the consumers had a voice on these boards (thank u Ten Club) about the North American shows sounding so bad, and it got back to someone who made sure that anything forward would sound better. Now I don't think this will happen, but I think it would only be fair for those North American shows to be remixed properly and then reshipped out to customers who bought boots the first time around. Well, at least I can hope. Later
    europe shows need more time to come out cos need to get back from europe to us with the whole crew and gear.....the mixed time dont think was a problem.. for me for exable Boston sound was really good..and from 11 shows in europe shows the 9 was outdoors ...already the ones we listen so far, the outdoors shows was way better than the 2 indoors dublin and belfast..
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721

    Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing and recording. All they do is burn the damn cd-rs from the recordings given to them already mixed and put the cds in the packaging and mail it.
    are u sure about that?i think kufala do the mixing as well..
    as for the thread..i think pearl jam,10c ,doing a great thing giving us the bootlegs,the sound is great,atleast at europe boots i listen so far and i like alot Boston and Msg 2 sound...and in the end those are bootlegs,not studio albums....i listen Berlin 2010 again now,and really..come on..what more anyone can ask??its just perfect
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  • Belfast boot kicks ass !!
    :)
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    Belfast boot kicks ass !!
    :)
    from black till the end of the show yes..the sound is strange at the rest of the songs..
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  • Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing and recording. All they do is burn the damn cd-rs from the recordings given to them already mixed and put the cds in the packaging and mail it.
    are u sure about that?i think kufala do the mixing as well..
    as for the thread..i think pearl jam,10c ,doing a great thing giving us the bootlegs,the sound is great,atleast at europe boots i listen so far and i like alot Boston and Msg 2 sound...and in the end those are bootlegs,not studio albums....i listen Berlin 2010 again now,and really..come on..what more anyone can ask??its just perfect

    I am very sure. Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing process. Ask them.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721

    Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing and recording. All they do is burn the damn cd-rs from the recordings given to them already mixed and put the cds in the packaging and mail it.
    are u sure about that?i think kufala do the mixing as well..
    as for the thread..i think pearl jam,10c ,doing a great thing giving us the bootlegs,the sound is great,atleast at europe boots i listen so far and i like alot Boston and Msg 2 sound...and in the end those are bootlegs,not studio albums....i listen Berlin 2010 again now,and really..come on..what more anyone can ask??its just perfect

    I am very sure. Kufala has nothing to do with the mixing process. Ask them.
    you are right.. :)
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