Unlistenable 2010 bootlegs

Little Italy

WhynotSweden wrote:

The sound at the Newark gig is terrible, but maybe it was that at the gig and not only the boot. Sounds like the play in an empty garage with the mics 10 feet away.

Thank you! The sound there was horrendous. All treble, terrible low end sound. Jeff was not into that one. Probably because you couldn't hear any of his cords (see Inside Job)........

ski4

TooMuchBlood wrote:

riverrun71 wrote:

sound frequencies??????????

The sound comes off as shrill and harsh. It doesn't sound pleasant. Re: sound frequencies — adjustments over the the three main ranges can help improve sound.

Listen, just compare a 2000 or 2003 boot with this one. The headaches I speak of happened with repeated work with horribly mastered or unmastered music.

as a health care professional i think you need to consider something other as a cause for your headaches.
granted the sound may be not perfect. it's far from terrible or headache inducing.

as it's been said over and over, they are bootlegs why should they sound perfect. at least it's not like the days of old and trading tapes

ManOfTheHour75

I have to say the Pearl Jam-is-perfect ideology on this board is upsetting. If Pearl Jam's taught us anything, it's not to accept things as they are — it's to fix things. Perhaps that thought is lost on some of you. Peace.

I couldn't agree with you more, it's like people are scared on this board to say anything negative or controversial. Which is the exact opposite of what the band stands for and believes in!

I have to say that I'm pretty disappointed in the way the 2010 boots sound from what I've listened to so far. MSG 2 is a great show but honestly it sounds like shit. I don't understand why ten years ago they could make a bootleg sound sooooo much better.

John Briggs 2008

Little Italy wrote:

WhynotSweden wrote:

The sound at the Newark gig is terrible, but maybe it was that at the gig and not only the boot. Sounds like the play in an empty garage with the mics 10 feet away.

Thank you! The sound there was horrendous. All treble, terrible low end sound. Jeff was not into that one. Probably because you couldn't hear any of his cords (see Inside Job)........

Glad that I am not the only one who feels that way. I have enjoyed every bootleg to date until Newark. It sounds like complete ass. Like the guys were just making the motions and the tempo was slow the whole way through and the sound of the bootleg was just terrible. Other than Newark though, I have enjoyed every boot.

Foo4Everlong

ManOfTheHour75 wrote:

I have to say the Pearl Jam-is-perfect ideology on this board is upsetting. If Pearl Jam's taught us anything, it's not to accept things as they are — it's to fix things. Perhaps that thought is lost on some of you. Peace.

I couldn't agree with you more, it's like people are scared on this board to say anything negative or controversial. Which is the exact opposite of what the band stands for and believes in!

I have to say that I'm pretty disappointed in the way the 2010 boots sound from what I've listened to so far. MSG 2 is a great show but honestly it sounds like shit. I don't understand why ten years ago they could make a bootleg sound sooooo much better.

That's why I am thinking more and that this seems to be the case of an engineer that needs work. I am really bummed out about this years boots. I have all right now, and I listened to Newark today and had to turn it off cuz it was so bad. It sounds like the show was recorded outside the venue. Very hollow. The vocals being the worst. And everything else second. It's really too bad as the setlist is really one of the better ones from this tour. I couldn't be more discouraged. Ugghh! Later

bootlegger10

Problem: Listening to the 140th Pearl Jam bootleg and not enjoying it as much as the first time you heard the 10th bootleg.


Solution: Go to a store or Itunes and buy a CD from a band you haven't listened to before. Hell, buy a CD and listen to something besides Pearl Jam.

BrianG

well, i ordered and paid for the entire 2009 box set and an additional box set of the philly boots on May 5th and for a total purchase of $455 and i still have not received a single thing. talk about frustrating. at least you have some "sound quality" to judge.........

ManOfTheHour75

bootlegger10 wrote:

Problem: Listening to the 140th Pearl Jam bootleg and not enjoying it as much as the first time you heard the 10th bootleg.


Solution: Go to a store or Itunes and buy a CD from a band you haven't listened to before. Hell, buy a CD and listen to something besides Pearl Jam.

It's not the amount of shows that I listen to that makes me not enjoy a particular bootleg. That doesn't even make sense. I've listened to well over a 140 shows and if anything I think that qualifies me to say what ones sound great and what ones sound like shit!

So listening to a different band or CD will make the 2010 bootlegs sound better?

bootlegger10

ManOfTheHour75 wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

Problem: Listening to the 140th Pearl Jam bootleg and not enjoying it as much as the first time you heard the 10th bootleg.


Solution: Go to a store or Itunes and buy a CD from a band you haven't listened to before. Hell, buy a CD and listen to something besides Pearl Jam.

It's not the amount of shows that I listen to that makes me not enjoy a particular bootleg. That doesn't even make sense. I've listened to well over a 140 shows and if anything I think that qualifies me to say what ones sound great and what ones sound like shit!

So listening to a different band or CD will make the 2010 bootlegs sound better?

No, it won't make you over analyze them.

mickeyrat

Kat wrote:

I'm confused...doesn't it matter at all what a person is listening ON? What gear is providing the sound that one doesn't care for...or that one loves and thinks is perfect?

And this is not official at all...it's just me...a music lover.

x

I've always wondered whether you mods chime in on a personal note. Nice to know you do. You are HUMAN after all!!!!!!

smanchac

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

play the bootlegs on a good radio, turn it up, and it sounds great.

spat

the only 2010 boot i got was msg 2 cuz i was there, and mike sounds like he's in the next room while the rest of the band sounds like they're right there. not sure if its my car stereo or the settings or what but thats the first time i've experienced that.

Gary Carter

smanchac wrote:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

play the bootlegs on a good radio, turn it up, and it sounds great.

and heres the sound expert himself. lets give a round of applause to the sound expert.

again it doesn't matter if you listen to it on a good system or a ipod. if jeff is high one minute and then low the next minute to the point where you cant hear him you can't do shit to change that now can you. the mixing has sucked since 00, period end of story.

climb_high_nz

I haven't found the boots as nice to listen to so far....they do appear to be "tinny"... but to be fair I haven't really sat down and listened with any great attention to any one show concert yet... and I totally agree that it's down to the individual...time place and setting can have an enormous difference in an individuals listening experience...what you are listening through comes after these factors.... I like FLAC....it's probably a placebo thing...are my ears any good?...who's to say? I don't know...

"An MP3 sounds like hearing a rumour of a fart in a tin drum, from within ten feet of the tin drum. FLAC sounds like the joy of farting in the open air in spring...."

Thanks PJ for giving us the shows anyway....I couldn't be there in person but I can experience the music at home another world away

megatron

Hawk123 wrote:

This thread is ridiculous. Headaches? really? give me a break.

yup

EvilClosetMonkey

cbuckley wrote:

Quit listening to them as condensed mp3s. The ones I ordered as hard copy sound great! And to echo a previous comment, they are live recordings and not studio.

As someone who attended the KC show this year, the bootleg sounds great.

what you said.... just got done listening to MSG 2.... sounded fine to me....

PJ5a1

I just received my Newark show via cd. And Eddies voice sounds very low. You def hear the crowdmore which is nice but I'd rather hear the band.

Ledbetterman10

TooMuchBlood wrote:

These 2010 boots are by far the worst I've ever heard. Bring back the guy or gal who recorded the ones in 2003.

No fucking way dude. The 2008 boots were by far the worst. The best were the American leg of the 2000 tour and...like you said...the 2003 tour.

stuckinline

after about the 3:50 mark, alive from cleveland 2010 is awful! when did the end of alive become a boom solo?

the next track, indifference sounds great!

DreamOfAngels

metsfan wrote:

again it doesn't matter if you listen to it on a good system or a ipod. if jeff is high one minute and then low the next minute to the point where you cant hear him you can't do shit to change that now can you. the mixing has sucked since 00, period end of story.

I'm not going to say any of these songs are unlistenable but I have to agree with metsfan's statement above. There are some songs where drums are in front, then drums disappear, then drums appear, then drums disappear. I am not an expert by any means - I am an average listener. I have found myself straining to hear Stone or even Ed sometimes or realizing "wow - I never heard that bass line before" becuase the mix is not blended to sound normal. It's not a preference thing of which member I want to hear on a boot, it's wanting to hear them all and getting frustrated that I can't hear and I can't adjust anything to fix it. Some songs have been fine and others are disappointing because of this.