15 years old mexican killed...update

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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Godfather. wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    do some more california history I think we bought ca from mexico.

    Godfather.

    bought ?

    after we stole texas from them, we stole california

    because we then gave them some cash, it make the theft ok?

    if i came to san diego, took your house and land, kicked you out, and gave you some chump change, you'd be cool with that too?


    and "WE" you and I have NOT stole anything !,I don't know about you but I was born here and diden't take anybodys land or any of that crap you keep whinning about so please save you crap for someone else I aint buying it !

    Godfather.

    Okay, so if ed243421 came to San Diego, took your house and land, kicked you out, and gave you some chump change and then had a baby on your land, you'd be cool with that too? I thought you didn't believe in the rights of anchor babies.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    cincybearcat wrote:
    mermelada_alucinogena wrote:
    .i just belive that the Border Agent killed a boy that was on the mexican side and needs to be punished


    And if the investigation proves that he wasn't under threat, etc than I agree with you 100%.

    Heck...even if the investigation itself doesn't conclude the officer was at fault, based upon the facts I see I still may agree with you and not the investigation. ;)

    Is there any question that he wasn't under any real threat? I mean, there is no dispute about him not actually having a gun, right?
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Godfather. wrote:
    and "WE" you and I have NOT stole anything !,I don't know about you but I was born here and diden't take anybodys land or any of that crap you keep whinning about so please save you crap for someone else I aint buying it !

    Godfather.
    well then you sir, are a fraud. it is now clear to me that you were not born in Corleone afterall.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    unsung wrote:
    Obviously you can't read because I said it isn't good that someone died. However, I'm not for one second believing the BA's were not under attack, as they have been hundreds of times before.
    :? By "attack" are you referring to a few kids throwing rocks from across a river? :?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,963
    scb wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:

    even better question: would you shoot someone on your land, a land which was stolen by your ancestors who then murdered every innocent human who was living there prior to the genocide?


    So do you think the frustration level of the officer due to this being his daily life and the frustration of the 15 year old kid due to an even from over 100 years ago is probably the same?

    An event from over 100 years ago? I wasn't aware that the white people had left the continent and returned it to its rightful owners.

    BUt I'm sure you are aware that is doesn't have anything to do with this event at all.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,963
    scb wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    mermelada_alucinogena wrote:
    .i just belive that the Border Agent killed a boy that was on the mexican side and needs to be punished


    And if the investigation proves that he wasn't under threat, etc than I agree with you 100%.

    Heck...even if the investigation itself doesn't conclude the officer was at fault, based upon the facts I see I still may agree with you and not the investigation. ;)

    Is there any question that he wasn't under any real threat? I mean, there is no dispute about him not actually having a gun, right?


    What are you basing this on? I mean, where are you getting the information you have to say this guy is a murderer straight out?

    I haven't seen enough yet.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    scb wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    [edit] Conquest of California
    Main article: Conquest of California
    In 1846 at the outset of the Mexican-American War (1846–1848), American military forces invaded and seized California, after several small-scale battles.

    U.S. Navy Commodore John Drake Sloat, on hearing of imminent war and the Bear Flag Revolt in Sonoma (which came under the control of U.S. Army captian John C. Frémont, ordered his naval forces to occupy Yerba Buena (present San Francisco) on July 7 and raise the American flag. On July 15, Sloat transferred his command to Commodore Robert F. Stockton, a much more aggressive leader. Commodore Stockton put Frémont's forces under his orders. On July 19th, Frémont's "California Battalion" swelled to about 160 additional men from newly arrived settlers near Sacramento, and he entered Monterey in a joint operation with some of Stockton's sailors and marines. The official word had been received -- the Mexican-American War was on. The American forces easily took over the north of California; within days they controlled San Francisco, Sonoma, and Sutter's Fort in Sacramento.

    In the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 the U.S. paid Mexico $10 million for California and New Mexico. Also in 1848 gold was discovered at Sutter's Mill near Sacramento, touching off the California Gold Rush.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California

    Godfather.

    Yeah, I guess we didn't take the Native "Americans'" land by force either then. :roll: Do a little more history.

    well then next time you go to a casino go the office there and tell them you would like to give your family's homes and property to them...I mean after all it was theirs to start with right ?...you need to look at the big picture and quit looking for things to protest, America won this land through military defete and or PAID money for it..maybe you like to give Alaska back to the Russians even thou America paid for that also.
    I,m pretty sure every country won there borders with military action, your argument of taking Native "Americans'" land by force is very weak and old hat, they (native American's) killed each other to keep their "lines drawn in the dirt" right ? just like EVERYBODY else.

    Godfather.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    cincybearcat wrote:
    scb wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    So do you think the frustration level of the officer due to this being his daily life and the frustration of the 15 year old kid due to an even from over 100 years ago is probably the same?

    An event from over 100 years ago? I wasn't aware that the white people had left the continent and returned it to its rightful owners.

    BUt I'm sure you are aware that is doesn't have anything to do with this event at all.

    I beg to differ. This kid was killed specifically because we are STILL trying to keep his people away from the land our ancestors stole from them. We killed them to drive them off it then & we're still killing them to keep them off it now. This is not the historical trauma everyone wants to pretend doesn't exist when we talk about ethnic studies or poverty or whatever. This trauma is current and it is a DIRECT result of our continuation of the practices of our ancestors (unlike poverty, etc., which is an indirect result).
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    cincybearcat wrote:
    scb wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    And if the investigation proves that he wasn't under threat, etc than I agree with you 100%.

    Heck...even if the investigation itself doesn't conclude the officer was at fault, based upon the facts I see I still may agree with you and not the investigation. ;)

    Is there any question that he wasn't under any real threat? I mean, there is no dispute about him not actually having a gun, right?


    What are you basing this on? I mean, where are you getting the information you have to say this guy is a murderer straight out?

    I haven't seen enough yet.

    I haven't said anyone is a murderer. I asked a question. I'll ask again: Is anyone still trying to say the kid had a gun or is it an agreed-upon fact that he didn't?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    edited June 2010
    Godfather. wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    [edit] Conquest of California
    Main article: Conquest of California
    In 1846 at the outset of the Mexican-American War (1846–1848), American military forces invaded and seized California, after several small-scale battles.

    U.S. Navy Commodore John Drake Sloat, on hearing of imminent war and the Bear Flag Revolt in Sonoma (which came under the control of U.S. Army captian John C. Frémont, ordered his naval forces to occupy Yerba Buena (present San Francisco) on July 7 and raise the American flag. On July 15, Sloat transferred his command to Commodore Robert F. Stockton, a much more aggressive leader. Commodore Stockton put Frémont's forces under his orders. On July 19th, Frémont's "California Battalion" swelled to about 160 additional men from newly arrived settlers near Sacramento, and he entered Monterey in a joint operation with some of Stockton's sailors and marines. The official word had been received -- the Mexican-American War was on. The American forces easily took over the north of California; within days they controlled San Francisco, Sonoma, and Sutter's Fort in Sacramento.

    In the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 the U.S. paid Mexico $10 million for California and New Mexico. Also in 1848 gold was discovered at Sutter's Mill near Sacramento, touching off the California Gold Rush.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California

    Godfather.

    Yeah, I guess we didn't take the Native "Americans'" land by force either then. :roll: Do a little more history.

    well then next time you go to a casino go the office there and tell them you would like to give your family's homes and property to them...I mean after all it was theirs to start with right ?...you need to look at the big picture and quit looking for things to protest, America won this land through military defete and or PAID money for it..maybe you like to give Alaska back to the Russians even thou America paid for that also.
    I,m pretty sure every country won there borders with military action, your argument of taking Native "Americans'" land by force is very weak and old hat, they (native American's) killed each other to keep their "lines drawn in the dirt" right ? just like EVERYBODY else.

    Godfather.

    Your bury-your-head-in-the-sand callounesses when it suits you never ceases to amaze me. You use the word "won" like they put up their land in a game of poker that they chose to play. Again, if you truly believe that stealing someone's land by force is a legal, moral thing to do then you shouldn't have any problem with people killing your family & taking your property. After all, anyone who is able to get it from you "won" it fair & square, right? Guess you don't believe in prosecuting car-jackers either. I swear, you can't actually believe half the stuff you say.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    scb have you given your house to the local Indians yet ;) I'll leave you with your opinion..I don't agree with you just as you don't agree with me and we will never convince each other that we're right so let's leave it at that before we both get the boot again......truce ?

    p.s. it's not like you to leave a conversation with out getting the last word in so I will wait then raise the white flag of truce when you have finished......I know what your thinking....don't say it :lol:

    Godfather.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    If some of you aren't happy we won a war in the past and you think we wrongly took some land, why do you still live on that so-called stolen land? Why don't you move?
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    unsung wrote:
    If some of you aren't happy we won a war in the past and you think we wrongly took some land, why do you still live on that so-called stolen land? Why don't you move?

    America, love it or leave it huh? Buy American huh? What did those statements get any of us? Debt beyond our wildest dreams and American car factories closing. Can you be a little more original or better yet, can you find a solution instead of telling people to leave our so called great country. All that'll do is raise what you owe (currently around $44,000) for every American citizen. Let's be constructive not destructive...just a thought.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Let's live in the present, not the past. Just a thought.
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Agreed we have to live in the present, I don't see the USA givi g back the land anytime soon or the citizens protesting to give it back either.

    But in this case of the 15 years old kid killed the problem is the use of lethal force against an unarmed kid, ok the kid was throwing rocks but whatever the crime was, it doesn't deserve a bullet through the head, is like everytime you see your kids touching something you told them not to touch you smash theid hands with a hammer. The punishment doesn't fit the crime.
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  • dimitrispearljam
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    arq wrote:
    Agreed we have to live in the present, I don't see the USA givi g back the land anytime soon or the citizens protesting to give it back either.

    But in this case of the 15 years old kid killed the problem is the use of lethal force against an unarmed kid, ok the kid was throwing rocks but whatever the crime was, it doesn't deserve a bullet through the head, is like everytime you see your kids touching something you told them not to touch you smash theid hands with a hammer. The punishment doesn't fit the crime.
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  • blackredyellow
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    arq wrote:
    Agreed we have to live in the present, I don't see the USA givi g back the land anytime soon or the citizens protesting to give it back either.

    But in this case of the 15 years old kid killed the problem is the use of lethal force against an unarmed kid, ok the kid was throwing rocks but whatever the crime was, it doesn't deserve a bullet through the head, is like everytime you see your kids touching something you told them not to touch you smash theid hands with a hammer. The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    unsung wrote:
    Let's live in the present, not the past. Just a thought.

    and what a GREAT thought it is :thumbup:

    Godfather.
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,756
    Godfather. wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Let's live in the present, not the past. Just a thought.

    and what a GREAT thought it is :thumbup:

    Godfather.

    you two should get a room

    the past is what you two love

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    ed243421 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Let's live in the present, not the past. Just a thought.

    and what a GREAT thought it is :thumbup:

    Godfather.

    you two should get a room

    the past is what you two love

    old white men making old white laws

    ummmm was that a racist remark ? take a chill pill and get a nap in..you'll feel better in the morning.

    Godfather.

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