15 years old mexican killed...update

inmytree

How come no one is blaming this 15 year old's parents...?

What the heck was he doing there...?

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

scb wrote:

Better question: Would they kill you for walking on their lawn after you were already back on your own property? What if it was illegal for them to shoot you on your own property?

Better question: Would you shoot someone that was just on your lawn when they have been helping millions of their friends sneak into your lawn over years and years and years...

Of course you shouldn't...but I can see how some might lose their grip and do something terrible.

even better question: would you shoot someone on your land, a land which was stolen by your ancestors who then murdered every innocent human who was living there prior to the genocide?

do some more california history I think we bought ca from mexico.

Godfather.

Godfather.

[edit] Conquest of California
Main article: Conquest of California
In 1846 at the outset of the Mexican-American War (1846–1848), American military forces invaded and seized California, after several small-scale battles.

U.S. Navy Commodore John Drake Sloat, on hearing of imminent war and the Bear Flag Revolt in Sonoma (which came under the control of U.S. Army captian John C. Frémont, ordered his naval forces to occupy Yerba Buena (present San Francisco) on July 7 and raise the American flag. On July 15, Sloat transferred his command to Commodore Robert F. Stockton, a much more aggressive leader. Commodore Stockton put Frémont's forces under his orders. On July 19th, Frémont's "California Battalion" swelled to about 160 additional men from newly arrived settlers near Sacramento, and he entered Monterey in a joint operation with some of Stockton's sailors and marines. The official word had been received -- the Mexican-American War was on. The American forces easily took over the north of California; within days they controlled San Francisco, Sonoma, and Sutter's Fort in Sacramento.

In the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 the U.S. paid Mexico $10 million for California and New Mexico. Also in 1848 gold was discovered at Sutter's Mill near Sacramento, touching off the California Gold Rush.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_California

Godfather.

cincybearcat

ed243421 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

scb wrote:

Better question: Would they kill you for walking on their lawn after you were already back on your own property? What if it was illegal for them to shoot you on your own property?

Better question: Would you shoot someone that was just on your lawn when they have been helping millions of their friends sneak into your lawn over years and years and years...

Of course you shouldn't...but I can see how some might lose their grip and do something terrible.

even better question: would you shoot someone on your land, a land which was stolen by your ancestors who then murdered every innocent human who was living there prior to the genocide?

So do you think the frustration level of the officer due to this being his daily life and the frustration of the 15 year old kid due to an even from over 100 years ago is probably the same?

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

So do you think the frustration level of the officer due to this being his daily life and the frustration of the 15 year old kid due to an even from over 100 years ago is probably the same?

there have been many posts citing the need to wait for more evidence and such ... let's not start speculating what this agent's frustration level is or isn't ...

all we know is that a supposedly highly trained border patrol agent shot an unarmed boy on mexican territory from american territory ... that is all we know for certain ...

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

So do you think the frustration level of the officer due to this being his daily life and the frustration of the 15 year old kid due to an even from over 100 years ago is probably the same?

there have been many posts citing the need to wait for more evidence and such ... let's not start speculating what this agent's frustration level is or isn't ...

all we know is that a supposedly highly trained border patrol agent shot an unarmed boy on mexican territory from american territory ... that is all we know for certain ...

hence this...

cincybearcat wrote:

Calm down there. What fuckin laws we have here? We have laws that allow for an investigation and trial before throwing someone in jail. Let's see what happens.

cincybearcat wrote:

But people started asking some pretty stupid questions...so I added 1.

ed243421

do some more california history I think we bought ca from mexico.

Godfather.[/quote]

bought ?

after we stole texas from them, we stole california

because we then gave them some cash, it make the theft ok?

if i came to san diego, took your house and land, kicked you out, and gave you some chump change, you'd be cool with that too?

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

do some more california history I think we bought ca from mexico.

Godfather.

bought ?

after we stole texas from them, we stole california

because we then gave them some cash, it make the theft ok?

if i came to san diego, took your house and land, kicked you out, and gave you some chump change, you'd be cool with that too?[/quote]

wake up sunshine this is 2010 that was 1848 I don't care to go backwards but if you wanna..go right ahead but leave me out of it,I sure you'll find at least one person to stroll down memory lane with you, and how dose all your rant relate to the OP ? if's and but's don't count.

Godfather.

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

do some more california history I think we bought ca from mexico.

Godfather.

bought ?

after we stole texas from them, we stole california

because we then gave them some cash, it make the theft ok?

if i came to san diego, took your house and land, kicked you out, and gave you some chump change, you'd be cool with that too?[/quote]


and "WE" you and I have NOT stole anything !,I don't know about you but I was born here and diden't take anybodys land or any of that crap you keep whinning about so please save you crap for someone else I aint buying it !

Godfather.

dimitrispearljam

cincybearcat wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

wtf!!!why he shoots?he was in danger?what fuckin laws u have there?????i dont believe it..if he was in Greece,he will be in jail for murder 1st deggree and will give him 30 years to life in jail..

Calm down there. What fuckin laws we have here? We have laws that allow for an investigation and trial before throwing someone in jail. Let's see what happens.

no,u have laws that allowed anyone with a gun and uniform kill kids...

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

do some more california history I think we bought ca from mexico.

Godfather.

bought ?

after we stole texas from them, we stole california

because we then gave them some cash, it make the theft ok?

if i came to san diego, took your house and land, kicked you out, and gave you some chump change, you'd be cool with that too?

wake up sunshine this is 2010 that was 1848 I don't care to go backwards but if you wanna..go right ahead but leave me out of it,I sure you'll find at least one person to stroll down memory lane with you, and how dose all your rant relate to the OP ? if's and but's don't count.

Godfather.[/quote]

you brought up 1848
omitted the part of how we forceably took their land and said we bought it
how does my rant relate to the op?
he was killed because of the border
are you ok in the head?
and you seem to like history
except when it dosen't line up with your "america the great" rhetoric

Cosmo

Let me preface by saying that I know video alone doesn't explain the entire event (i.e Rodney King beating). Nor does eyewitness account (alone). But, this video captured the entire event, unlike the Rodney King video. The images seem to contradict the eyewitness reports that have been published.
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From what I can gather after seeing the video and reading the available information in print media:
The 15 year old was not just playing by the river as his mother stated. I have no idea what any intent was.
It wasn't a mob, hurling a storm of rock on the border agent as some of the initial reports stated. If rocks were thrown... it was from a distance (using the vehicles and human figure as scale).
The border agent fired 3 shots.
Mexican authorities were not pointing their weapons at the border agents, as reported. They did secure the crime scene and ushered the bystanders on the Mexico side of the border away from the railing.
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My assessment is this... yeah, rocks can hurt. I've been hit by a screaming liner or a bad hop on a baseball diamond on occasion and yeah... that hurt like hell. But, does it justify use of deadly force? Not in my book. You can drag a suspect out of range of someone's arm... and if you have a gun... a warning shot should make anyone with an ounce of common sense to scatter.
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There are still details for investigators to sort through.. but from my point of view... at this time... based on the information available to me... the border agent acted in a wreckless manner and could have prevented this situation from ending in tragedy.

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

do some more california history I think we bought ca from mexico.

Godfather.

bought ?

after we stole texas from them, we stole california

because we then gave them some cash, it make the theft ok?

if i came to san diego, took your house and land, kicked you out, and gave you some chump change, you'd be cool with that too?

wake up sunshine this is 2010 that was 1848 I don't care to go backwards but if you wanna..go right ahead but leave me out of it,I sure you'll find at least one person to stroll down memory lane with you, and how dose all your rant relate to the OP ? if's and but's don't count.

Godfather.

you brought up 1848
omitted the part of how we forceably took their land and said we bought it
how does my rant relate to the op?
he was killed because of the border
are you ok in the head?
and you seem to like history
except when it dosen't line up with your "america the great" rhetoric[/quote]

sure what ever you say. :?

Godfather.

cincybearcat

dimitrispearljam wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

wtf!!!why he shoots?he was in danger?what fuckin laws u have there?????i dont believe it..if he was in Greece,he will be in jail for murder 1st deggree and will give him 30 years to life in jail..

Calm down there. What fuckin laws we have here? We have laws that allow for an investigation and trial before throwing someone in jail. Let's see what happens.

no,u have laws that allowed anyone with a gun and uniform kill kids...

Bullshit, ignorant comment.

polaris_x

cincybearcat wrote:

Bullshit, ignorant comment.

we shall see ...

as far as i know - no charges have been laid ...

dimitrispearljam

cincybearcat wrote:

Bullshit, ignorant comment.

tell that to the mother of the kid was killed in cold blood...

Dirtie_Frank

Cosmo wrote:

My assessment is this... yeah, rocks can hurt. I've been hit by a screaming liner or a bad hop on a baseball diamond on occasion and yeah... that hurt like hell. But, does it justify use of deadly force? Not in my book. You can drag a suspect out of range of someone's arm... and if you have a gun... a warning shot should make anyone with an ounce of common sense to scatter.

I stated this in a different forum. While in the military we were told that you only shoot to kill no warning shots. I believe the police are the same way. Now I am not saying the boarder agent should have or should have not fired, but there is too much that can happen with warning shots.

Dirtie_Frank

dimitrispearljam wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Bullshit, ignorant comment.

tell that to the mother of the kid was killed in cold blood...

Were you there? Noone knows what happened. Maybe the kid did have a gun. Maybe no. Until the investigation is done it is all speculation.

redrock

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

While in the military we were told that you only shoot to kill no warning shots. .

Were you? American army? Hmmm... curious.

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Bullshit, ignorant comment.

we shall see ...

as far as i know - no charges have been laid ...

Ok then, so we can use 1 or a few examples to broadly paint a huge nation?

I'll remember that. Looks like everyone in Greece, from police to citizens, likes to kill too.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... f_Teenager