tell that to the mother of the kid was killed in cold blood...
Were you there? Noone knows what happened. Maybe the kid did have a gun. Maybe no. Until the investigation is done it is all speculation.
yes..like the guns had people on ships,and Israelians killed them in cold blood..
merderer must go to trial,and jail..atleast that happens in countries have democracy.
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tell that to the mother of the kid was killed in cold blood...
Will do. What's her phone number?
It's ignorant to paint an entire nation of law enforcement personnel based on 1 or even a few incidents. If it was done to another group people would be blasting your ignorant comment.
tell that to the mother of the kid was killed in cold blood...
Were you there? Noone knows what happened. Maybe the kid did have a gun. Maybe no. Until the investigation is done it is all speculation.
yes..like the guns had people on ships,and Israelians killed them in cold blood..
merderer must go to trial,and jail..atleast that happens in countries have democracy.
Why have a trial, you've already called him a murderer...based upon a grainy video. Could be the case, but you need to back off your over generalizations.
My assessment is this... yeah, rocks can hurt. I've been hit by a screaming liner or a bad hop on a baseball diamond on occasion and yeah... that hurt like hell. But, does it justify use of deadly force? Not in my book. You can drag a suspect out of range of someone's arm... and if you have a gun... a warning shot should make anyone with an ounce of common sense to scatter.
I stated this in a different forum. While in the military we were told that you only shoot to kill no warning shots. I believe the police are the same way. Now I am not saying the boarder agent should have or should have not fired, but there is too much that can happen with warning shots.
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I agree with the military stance on this... because military people are trainned to go up against other military people. When facing an unarmed person... does that trainning still hold true? Such as scattering a mob... should the military just open up on unarmed civilians instead of firing warning shots? And doesn't the Navy fire shots across the bow of a ship in order to get it to comply with their requests?
Police officers are also trainned to shoot to kill when a weapon is pointed at them... or if someone comes at them with a knife... or someone in a car accelerates towards them. I guess you can put rocks in that category to justify use of deadly force... if you consider a thrown rock as a deadly weapon.
But, there were apparently several other options available to the border agent. I'm sure they encounter situations where deadly force is justified... I just don't see this specific incident as one.
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While in the military we were told that you only shoot to kill no warning shots. .
Were you? American army? Hmmm... curious.
What is that supposed to mean?
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the policeman is a merderer and he is in jail....we dont like Rambo in our streets...people react cos he use his power to kill an innocent kid...we dont cover,or support merderers...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
tell that to the mother of the kid was killed in cold blood...
Will do. What's her phone number?
It's ignorant to paint an entire nation of law enforcement personnel based on 1 or even a few incidents. If it was done to another group people would be blasting your ignorant comment.
what nation?what are u talking about?my opinion is .no support merderes..cos law as it seems cover him to boom boom what ever he likes..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
My assessment is this... yeah, rocks can hurt. I've been hit by a screaming liner or a bad hop on a baseball diamond on occasion and yeah... that hurt like hell. But, does it justify use of deadly force? Not in my book. You can drag a suspect out of range of someone's arm... and if you have a gun... a warning shot should make anyone with an ounce of common sense to scatter.
I stated this in a different forum. While in the military we were told that you only shoot to kill no warning shots. I believe the police are the same way. Now I am not saying the boarder agent should have or should have not fired, but there is too much that can happen with warning shots.
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I agree with the military stance on this... because military people are trainned to go up against other military people. When facing an unarmed person... does that trainning still hold true? Such as scattering a mob... should the military just open up on unarmed civilians instead of firing warning shots? And doesn't the Navy fire shots across the bow of a ship in order to get it to comply with their requests?
Police officers are also trainned to shoot to kill when a weapon is pointed at them... or if someone comes at them with a knife... or someone in a car accelerates towards them. I guess you can put rocks in that category to justify use of deadly force... if you consider a thrown rock as a deadly weapon.
But, there were apparently several other options available to the border agent. I'm sure they encounter situations where deadly force is justified... I just don't see this specific incident as one.
It is not training, there are rules of engagement that determine when deadly force is to be used. Which maybe I should have said too. The military does not just shoot people when they are confronted. I agree though maybe he should not have shot the kid, but we do not know why he did or what the curcumstance are.
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the policeman is a merderer and he is in jail....we dont like Rambo in our streets...people react cos he use his power to kill an innocent kid...we dont cover,or support merderers...
You just riot and kill others huh?
See, you are missing my point. How long did it take for the guy to go to jail? Gotta let this play out and find out more facts.
And, to say that a country the size of the USA has laws allowing uniformed officers to kill children is pretty fucking ridiculously ignorant no matter how you look at it. I'm surprised you can't see that.
tell that to the mother of the kid was killed in cold blood...
Will do. What's her phone number?
It's ignorant to paint an entire nation of law enforcement personnel based on 1 or even a few incidents. If it was done to another group people would be blasting your ignorant comment.
what nation?what are u talking about?my opinion is .no support merderes..cos law as it seems cover him to boom boom what ever he likes..
What nation? Duh, you said the laws in the USA....read back in case you've already forgotten your ignorant comment.
And you have no understanding of the laws if you think he can boom boom whatever he likes.
It is not training, there are rules of engagement that determine when deadly force is to be used. Which maybe I should have said too. The military does not just shoot people when they are confronted. I agree though maybe he should not have shot the kid, but we do not know why he did or what the curcumstance are.
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I agree... let the full investigation complete and let the courts system sort it out.
I'm just saying that the video seems to contradict statements from eyewitnesses (on both sides). From the information available to me... at this time... it looks like there were other options available.
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...there are rules of engagement that determine when deadly force is to be used. .
So there is not an overall shoot to kill policy as you stated (and which surprised me). The only case where deadly force can be used is then the 'attacker' has a weapon that can kill and is going to use it. Even then, 'shoot to kill' is not automatic if there is any other way to subdue the attacker.
Though it is common for the armed forces to take liberties with the rules of engagement.
in my country when u shoot and someone killed from your bullets we have the word ,merderer..i dont know other word for that...
if u like a system,that support merderer,people cos have uniform can shoot anyone(when they arent in dangerous,or some civilian is),,enjoy it..im NOT..nothing personal,just diferent Philosophy of life..and yes philosophy is a Greek word..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
in my country when u shoot and someone killed from your bullets we have the word ,merderer..i dont know other word for that...
if u like a system,that support merderer,people cos have uniform can shoot anyone(when they arent in dangerous,or some civilian is),,enjoy it..im NOT..nothing personal,just diferent Philosophy of life..and yes philosophy is a Greek word..
I wish someone could speak greeklish for me....
I'm saying that your belief that the USA system supports "merderer,people cos have uniform can shoot anyone(when they arent in dangerous,or some civilian is)" is wrong and ignorant.
...there are rules of engagement that determine when deadly force is to be used. .
So there is not an overall shoot to kill policy as you stated (and which surprised me). The only case where deadly force can be used is then the 'attacker' has a weapon that can kill and is going to use it. Even then, 'shoot to kill' is not automatic if there is any other way to subdue the attacker.
Though it is common for the armed forces to take liberties with the rules of engagement.
Maybe what I should have said is that if you shoot, you shoot to kill. There is no second guessing. There are rules of engagement that determine when you can shoot, but when you do you shoot to kill. Not sure which one is more clearer, sorry for my confussion.
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o.k calm down everyone...this is not US vs Mexico....this is an incident, a very sad one... if the boder line should or should not exist?..well this is not about that neither...the border line exists and the boy wasn't supoused to be in that side of the river but that is not a crime to be killed for and at the same time the agent should not fire to the mexican side he was very conscious of the borer line, coz he never step beyond it...i'm from the city where this happened, i dont hate the U.S people, i dont judge an entire country for the mistakes of one person...i mean PJ is from U.S and i love them...i just belive that the Border Agent killed a boy that was on the mexican side and needs to be punished
in my country when u shoot and someone killed from your bullets we have the word ,merderer..i dont know other word for that...
if u like a system,that support merderer,people cos have uniform can shoot anyone(when they arent in dangerous,or some civilian is),,enjoy it..im NOT..nothing personal,just diferent Philosophy of life..and yes philosophy is a Greek word..
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Well... it depends.
If you kill someone that is trying to kill you...Of if you kill someone that is trying to kill someone else, it is not considered murder.
Also, our police officers cannot shoot anyone they want. In most large cities, as soon as an officer discharges his weapon, he must turn over his weapon to a supervisor and is placed on administrative leave while the shooting is investigated. In Los Angeles, the investigation is conducted by an independent board that includes both, police and civilians.
I know a few cops... and although some of them have had to draw their weapons on suspects... not one that I know of has actually fire his weapon other than in trainning. Most officers go a complete career, without firing a shot.
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o.k calm down everyone...this is not US vs Mexico....this is an incident, a very sad one... if the boder line should or should not exist?..well this is not about that neither...the border line exists and the boy wasn't supoused to be in that side of the river but that is not a crime to be killed for and at the same time the agent should not fire to the mexican side he was very conscious of the borer line, coz he never step beyond it...i'm from the city where this happened, i dont hate the U.S people, i dont judge an entire country for the mistakes of one person...i mean PJ is from U.S and i love them...i just belive that the Border Agent killed a boy that was on the mexican side and needs to be punished
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That's my view... the kids was doing something he shouldn't have been doing... but, it was not an offense that should have cost him his life. It would be like shooting someone for shoplifting.
And if the investigation leads to an arrest... where should the trial be held... in the U.S. or Mexico?
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tell that to the mother of the kid was killed in cold blood...
Will do. What's her phone number?
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i miss this comment,i just read it.,now im sure i waste my time,no respect for human life and a mother 's pain lost her child..im out..
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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.i just belive that the Border Agent killed a boy that was on the mexican side and needs to be punished
And if the investigation proves that he wasn't under threat, etc than I agree with you 100%.
Heck...even if the investigation itself doesn't conclude the officer was at fault, based upon the facts I see I still may agree with you and not the investigation.
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tell that to the mother of the kid was killed in cold blood...
Will do. What's her phone number?
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i miss this comment,i just read it.,now im sure i waste my time,no respect for human life and a mother 's pain lost her child..im out..
You are totally misunderstanding me. I would tell the mother of a child that was killed that it isn't representative of our laws and that if the officer is found guilty after an investigation he should be (and will be) disciplined (jail). Is that more clear? Because that is what I was trying to tell you.
in my country when u shoot and someone killed from your bullets we have the word ,merderer..i dont know other word for that...
if u like a system,that support merderer,people cos have uniform can shoot anyone(when they arent in dangerous,or some civilian is),,enjoy it..im NOT..nothing personal,just diferent Philosophy of life..and yes philosophy is a Greek word..
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Well... it depends.
If you kill someone that is trying to kill you...Of if you kill someone that is trying to kill someone else, it is not considered murder.
Also, our police officers cannot shoot anyone they want. In most large cities, as soon as an officer discharges his weapon, he must turn over his weapon to a supervisor and is placed on administrative leave while the shooting is investigated. In Los Angeles, the investigation is conducted by an independent board that includes both, police and civilians.
I know a few cops... and although some of them have had to draw their weapons on suspects... not one that I know of has actually fire his weapon other than in trainning. Most officers go a complete career, without firing a shot.
if policeman is in danger,someone carry a gun,ofcourse he can use his gun..if other civilians are in danger,he must protect them...maybe he thought that the poor kid looking from the otherside will steal his bike..and protect the bike..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
You are totally misunderstanding me. I would tell the mother of a child that was killed that it isn't representative of our laws and that if the officer is found guilty after an investigation he should be (and will be) disciplined (jail). Is that more clear? Because that is what I was trying to tell you.
i think i did,now i read something different of what i understand before..if i didnt understand u im sorry,,cant believe that someone thinks,policeman use the gun with no serious reason,must get away cos he has uniform or he is from our side of the river..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
If this goes to trial... where will the trial be held? In Texas or Mexico?
Good question... I'm guessing the river itself is the border, and the agent was on the US side and the kid on the Mexico side? There has to be some sort of international law precedent for shots fired over a border?
Could be a mess. I'm guessing Mexican authorities would fight long and hard to prosecute him in Mexico...
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You are totally misunderstanding me. I would tell the mother of a child that was killed that it isn't representative of our laws and that if the officer is found guilty after an investigation he should be (and will be) disciplined (jail). Is that more clear? Because that is what I was trying to tell you.
i think i did,now i read something different of what i understand before..if i didnt understand u im sorry,,cant believe that someone thinks,policeman use the gun with no serious reason,must get away cos he has uniform or he is from our side of the river..
No worries, I must have misunderstood your real intentions as well.
Though, I would wait for an investigation before deciding this guys fate. I hope it is unbiased and thorough.
If this goes to trial... where will the trial be held? In Texas or Mexico?
Good question... I'm guessing the river itself is the border, and the agent was on the US side and the kid on the Mexico side? There has to be some sort of international law precedent for shots fired over a border?
Could be a mess. I'm guessing Mexican authorities would fight long and hard to prosecute him in Mexico...
Good point. This could get messy.
If it were the other way around, I'm sure the US would fight hard to prosecute.
if policeman is in danger,someone carry a gun,ofcourse he can use his gun..if other civilians are in danger,he must protect them...maybe he thought that the poor kid looking from the otherside will steal his bike..and protect the bike..
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I am not defending the border agent's actions. I don't see any justification in the shooting.
If he felt his life was in danger because rocks were being thrown at him... he is in the wrong business. If 100 people were throwing rocks at him... or if someone was firing rocks at him with a power band slingshot... then, maybe... yeah, there is justification. But, a guy throwing rocks from a distance similar to the distance from center field to home plate is not life or death. Pain, yeah... death? I don't think so.
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If it were the other way around, I'm sure the US would fight hard to prosecute.
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That's what I was thinking.
If the recognized border is the river (water mark), then the border agent was clearly on the U.S. side, the kid on the Mexico side. And shooting over the wire is a serious offense... killing someone as the result of shooting over the wire is probably a lot worse.
I think that since the victim was a Mexican citizen in Mexico at the time of the shooting... it goes to the Mexican judicial and corrections system... just as if the roles were reversed, I sure as hell would want a Mexican officer stand trial in the U.S., if his actions killed an American citizen in a cross border shooting.
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That's what I was thinking.
If the recognized border is the river (water mark), then the border agent was clearly on the U.S. side, the kid on the Mexico side. And shooting over the wire is a serious offense... killing someone as the result of shooting over the wire is probably a lot worse.
I think that since the victim was a Mexican citizen in Mexico at the time of the shooting... it goes to the Mexican judicial and corrections system... just as if the roles were reversed, I sure as hell would want a Mexican officer stand trial in the U.S., if his actions killed an American citizen in a cross border shooting.
there is no way the US will allow the BA to be tried in mexico ... for the same reasons why the US will not sign onto any international treaties pertaining to the consequences of military action (see int'l criminal court) they will not allow this to happen ...
depending on much press this gets: i suspect we will have a suspended BA or at least transferred to somewhere else ... no way he spends any time in jail and at most he loses his job ...
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merderer must go to trial,and jail..atleast that happens in countries have democracy.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Will do. What's her phone number?
It's ignorant to paint an entire nation of law enforcement personnel based on 1 or even a few incidents. If it was done to another group people would be blasting your ignorant comment.
Why have a trial, you've already called him a murderer...based upon a grainy video. Could be the case, but you need to back off your over generalizations.
I agree with the military stance on this... because military people are trainned to go up against other military people. When facing an unarmed person... does that trainning still hold true? Such as scattering a mob... should the military just open up on unarmed civilians instead of firing warning shots? And doesn't the Navy fire shots across the bow of a ship in order to get it to comply with their requests?
Police officers are also trainned to shoot to kill when a weapon is pointed at them... or if someone comes at them with a knife... or someone in a car accelerates towards them. I guess you can put rocks in that category to justify use of deadly force... if you consider a thrown rock as a deadly weapon.
But, there were apparently several other options available to the border agent. I'm sure they encounter situations where deadly force is justified... I just don't see this specific incident as one.
Hail, Hail!!!
What is that supposed to mean?
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“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It is not training, there are rules of engagement that determine when deadly force is to be used. Which maybe I should have said too. The military does not just shoot people when they are confronted. I agree though maybe he should not have shot the kid, but we do not know why he did or what the curcumstance are.
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You just riot and kill others huh?
See, you are missing my point. How long did it take for the guy to go to jail? Gotta let this play out and find out more facts.
And, to say that a country the size of the USA has laws allowing uniformed officers to kill children is pretty fucking ridiculously ignorant no matter how you look at it. I'm surprised you can't see that.
What nation? Duh, you said the laws in the USA....read back in case you've already forgotten your ignorant comment.
And you have no understanding of the laws if you think he can boom boom whatever he likes.
I agree... let the full investigation complete and let the courts system sort it out.
I'm just saying that the video seems to contradict statements from eyewitnesses (on both sides). From the information available to me... at this time... it looks like there were other options available.
Hail, Hail!!!
Hail, Hail!!!
So there is not an overall shoot to kill policy as you stated (and which surprised me). The only case where deadly force can be used is then the 'attacker' has a weapon that can kill and is going to use it. Even then, 'shoot to kill' is not automatic if there is any other way to subdue the attacker.
Though it is common for the armed forces to take liberties with the rules of engagement.
if u like a system,that support merderer,people cos have uniform can shoot anyone(when they arent in dangerous,or some civilian is),,enjoy it..im NOT..nothing personal,just diferent Philosophy of life..and yes philosophy is a Greek word..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I wish someone could speak greeklish for me....
I'm saying that your belief that the USA system supports "merderer,people cos have uniform can shoot anyone(when they arent in dangerous,or some civilian is)" is wrong and ignorant.
Maybe what I should have said is that if you shoot, you shoot to kill. There is no second guessing. There are rules of engagement that determine when you can shoot, but when you do you shoot to kill. Not sure which one is more clearer, sorry for my confussion.
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Well... it depends.
If you kill someone that is trying to kill you...Of if you kill someone that is trying to kill someone else, it is not considered murder.
Also, our police officers cannot shoot anyone they want. In most large cities, as soon as an officer discharges his weapon, he must turn over his weapon to a supervisor and is placed on administrative leave while the shooting is investigated. In Los Angeles, the investigation is conducted by an independent board that includes both, police and civilians.
I know a few cops... and although some of them have had to draw their weapons on suspects... not one that I know of has actually fire his weapon other than in trainning. Most officers go a complete career, without firing a shot.
Hail, Hail!!!
That's my view... the kids was doing something he shouldn't have been doing... but, it was not an offense that should have cost him his life. It would be like shooting someone for shoplifting.
And if the investigation leads to an arrest... where should the trial be held... in the U.S. or Mexico?
Hail, Hail!!!
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
And if the investigation proves that he wasn't under threat, etc than I agree with you 100%.
Heck...even if the investigation itself doesn't conclude the officer was at fault, based upon the facts I see I still may agree with you and not the investigation.
You are totally misunderstanding me. I would tell the mother of a child that was killed that it isn't representative of our laws and that if the officer is found guilty after an investigation he should be (and will be) disciplined (jail). Is that more clear? Because that is what I was trying to tell you.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Good question... I'm guessing the river itself is the border, and the agent was on the US side and the kid on the Mexico side? There has to be some sort of international law precedent for shots fired over a border?
Could be a mess. I'm guessing Mexican authorities would fight long and hard to prosecute him in Mexico...
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of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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No worries, I must have misunderstood your real intentions as well.
Though, I would wait for an investigation before deciding this guys fate. I hope it is unbiased and thorough.
Good point. This could get messy.
If it were the other way around, I'm sure the US would fight hard to prosecute.
I am not defending the border agent's actions. I don't see any justification in the shooting.
If he felt his life was in danger because rocks were being thrown at him... he is in the wrong business. If 100 people were throwing rocks at him... or if someone was firing rocks at him with a power band slingshot... then, maybe... yeah, there is justification. But, a guy throwing rocks from a distance similar to the distance from center field to home plate is not life or death. Pain, yeah... death? I don't think so.
Hail, Hail!!!
That's what I was thinking.
If the recognized border is the river (water mark), then the border agent was clearly on the U.S. side, the kid on the Mexico side. And shooting over the wire is a serious offense... killing someone as the result of shooting over the wire is probably a lot worse.
I think that since the victim was a Mexican citizen in Mexico at the time of the shooting... it goes to the Mexican judicial and corrections system... just as if the roles were reversed, I sure as hell would want a Mexican officer stand trial in the U.S., if his actions killed an American citizen in a cross border shooting.
Hail, Hail!!!
there is no way the US will allow the BA to be tried in mexico ... for the same reasons why the US will not sign onto any international treaties pertaining to the consequences of military action (see int'l criminal court) they will not allow this to happen ...
depending on much press this gets: i suspect we will have a suspended BA or at least transferred to somewhere else ... no way he spends any time in jail and at most he loses his job ...
that's my gut