15 years old mexican killed...update

mermelada_alucinogena

heres the complete video of the shooting...

http://www.univision.com/content/videop ... id=2433072

Cosmo

Okay... that looks bad.
Granted, the 15 year old was not just playing by the river... but, he didn't need to die.
As for rocks vs. gun... gun wins.
I still want to hear/see more of what the investigation provides... but, from this... it looks bad.

_

Looks pretty bad to me.

ed243421

the border crossed him

he did not cross the border

fuck the border

an immaginary line drawn by people in power

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ed243421 wrote:

the border crossed him

he did not cross the border

fuck the border

an immaginary line drawn by people in power

:thumbup:

unsung

ed243421 wrote:

the border crossed him

he did not cross the border

fuck the border

an immaginary line drawn by people in power

Thanks for the laugh.

dimitrispearljam

wtf!!!why he shoots?he was in danger?what fuckin laws u have there?????i dont believe it..if he was in Greece,he will be in jail for murder 1st deggree and will give him 30 years to life in jail..

ed243421

unsung wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

the border crossed him

he did not cross the border

fuck the border

an immaginary line drawn by people in power

Thanks for the laugh.

hey unsung
glad you can laugh at a time like this
a 15 year old, shot in the head
dead
think his family is laughing about a son or brother dying

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

unsung wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

the border crossed him

he did not cross the border

fuck the border

an immaginary line drawn by people in power

Thanks for the laugh.

hey unsung
glad you can laugh at a time like this
a 15 year old, shot in the head
dead

I don't think he was laughing at the dead kid or his family......I think it was your post it self.

Godfather.
think his family is laughing about a son or brother dying

blackredyellow

ed243421 wrote:

unsung wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

the border crossed him

he did not cross the border

fuck the border

an immaginary line drawn by people in power

Thanks for the laugh.

hey unsung
glad you can laugh at a time like this
a 15 year old, shot in the head
dead
think his family is laughing about a son or brother dying

I hate defending unsung on any issue regarding immigration, but you can't say that the border crossed this kid... he's 15, the border has been there his whole life.

It is an imaginary line drawn by people in power, but we have those lines everyday that we live by... I know where my property ends and where my neighbor's starts, I can't just cross that line and do whatever I want there. I know down the road from me where New York ends and Vermont begins, and some different rules apply there.

ed243421

to the dude who uses a picture of marlon brando for his avatar

let me get this right
you think that ANYONE who crosses YOUR border
illegally
should be shot and killed

polaris_x

blackredyellow wrote:

I hate defending unsung on any issue regarding immigration, but you can't say that the border crossed this kid... he's 15, the border has been there his whole life.

It is an imaginary line drawn by people in power, but we have those lines everyday that we live by... I know where my property ends and where my neighbor's starts, I can't just cross that line and do whatever I want there. I know down the road from me where New York ends and Vermont begins, and some different rules apply there.

would your neighbour kill you for walking on his lawn?

yeah - the border has been there all his life ... ultimately, the issue here is what warrants the loss of the kid's life? ...

haffajappa

polaris_x wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I hate defending unsung on any issue regarding immigration, but you can't say that the border crossed this kid... he's 15, the border has been there his whole life.

It is an imaginary line drawn by people in power, but we have those lines everyday that we live by... I know where my property ends and where my neighbor's starts, I can't just cross that line and do whatever I want there. I know down the road from me where New York ends and Vermont begins, and some different rules apply there.

would your neighbour kill you for walking on his lawn?

yeah - the border has been there all his life ... ultimately, the issue here is what warrants the loss of the kid's life? ...

in some states they could!!

ed243421

I hate defending unsung on any issue regarding immigration, but you can't say that the border crossed this kid... he's 15, the border has been there his whole life.

It is an imaginary line drawn by people in power, but we have those lines everyday that we live by... I know where my property ends and where my neighbor's starts, I can't just cross that line and do whatever I want there. I know down the road from me where New York ends and Vermont begins, and some different rules apply there.[/quote]

the point is his ancestors were there, using and crossing that river, long before our ancestors stole this nation and made that river a border

blackredyellow

polaris_x wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I hate defending unsung on any issue regarding immigration, but you can't say that the border crossed this kid... he's 15, the border has been there his whole life.

It is an imaginary line drawn by people in power, but we have those lines everyday that we live by... I know where my property ends and where my neighbor's starts, I can't just cross that line and do whatever I want there. I know down the road from me where New York ends and Vermont begins, and some different rules apply there.

would your neighbour kill you for walking on his lawn?

yeah - the border has been there all his life ... ultimately, the issue here is what warrants the loss of the kid's life? ...

Yes, that is the issue, and based on the video and everything I've read, nothing this kid did warranted him losing his life. I guess the philosophical issue of borders is a completely different discussion than a poor kid getting shot.

inmytree

I couldn't make heads or tails of what happened in that video...

either way, it sucks for all involved...

For me, If one puts themselves in a situation, consequences follow...good or bad...

ed243421

blackredyellow wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I hate defending unsung on any issue regarding immigration, but you can't say that the border crossed this kid... he's 15, the border has been there his whole life.

It is an imaginary line drawn by people in power, but we have those lines everyday that we live by... I know where my property ends and where my neighbor's starts, I can't just cross that line and do whatever I want there. I know down the road from me where New York ends and Vermont begins, and some different rules apply there.

would your neighbour kill you for walking on his lawn?

yeah - the border has been there all his life ... ultimately, the issue here is what warrants the loss of the kid's life? ...

Yes, that is the issue, and based on the video and everything I've read, nothing this kid did warranted him losing his life. I guess the philosophical issue of borders is a completely different discussion than a poor kid getting shot.

not when he was shot and killed because of the border

TriumphantAngel

how can a kids life not be worth more than a border?

sweet child in time, you'll see the line
the line that's drawn between the good and the bad
see the blind man, he's shooting at the world
the bullets flying, ooh there taking toll
If you've been bad - ohhh lord I bet you have
and you've not been hit, you've not been hit by flying lead
you'd better close your eyes
you better bow your head
wait for the ricochet

Dirtie_Frank

What do you guys want? Open boarders come and go as you please? Anarchy? The child dieing is a sad thing. The boarder agent needs to be held accountable, but maybe he did fear for his life we do not know.

Jason P

Comments are welcome as I try to analyze this:

0:05 – SUV #1 on U.S side of fence races away from the camera and stops nears a pedestrian border bridge while several people are running in erratic fashion

0:23 – B/A #1 (long pants in black) is running towards the stopped SUV #1 near the fence and bridge

0:30 – B/A #1 runs towards fence on U.S. side

0:40 – Four (4) assumed Mexican Nationals (M/N) running along the Rio Grande on U.S. side, one near the fence

0:45 – B/A #1 pops through a hole in the fence; One M/N runs toward Mexico; Two M/N’s stay near B/A #1 as he comes through the fence and appear to assault B/A #1 with their hands

0:50 – B/A #2 (Shorts and white shirt) enters in chasing down the U.S. side of the Rio Grande

0:55 – M/N’s notice B/A #2 and leave B/A #1 and run towards the Mexican side of the Rio Grande; B/A #1 appears woozy

0:58 – 1:04 – Camera drops out

1:05 – B/A #2 has weapon drawn while helping B/A #1 who appears to be hurt and is on his knees but upright with arm dangling

1:15 – B/A #2 has weapon drawn and starts to drag B/A #1 while he falls to his hands and crawls alongside

1:19 – B/A #1 condition is worse and he falls to the ground

1:23 – One M/N is standing in the muddy river watching the B/A’s when he suddenly sprints towards the Mexican border

1:27 – B/A #1 is now lying on the ground

1:29 – B/A #2 crouches in front of B/A #1 who appears to be unconscious and readies his firearm in a shooter’s position towards the Mexican border

1:35 – Camera pans back and forth a few times and there appear to be two M/N’s on the Mexican side of the border, one near a bridge column

1:35 to 1:41 – Camera pans back and forth and it is unclear what is transpiring

1:42 – One M/N near the bridge column is now lying on the ground

1:42 to 1:50 – Unclear what is going on as camera pans back and forth

1:51 – B/A #3 arrives on bicycle on the U.S. side to assist B/A #1 and B/A #2

1:52 to 2:02 – Camera pans slowly to M/N #1 who is lying (dead as we now know) on the Mexican side

2:03 – B/A #3 attends to B/A #1 as B/A #2 is in shooters stance with his firearm pointed at the Mexican side

2:03 to 2:23 – Camera is focused on B/A’s, not much transpires

2:24 – B/A #1 regains conscious and is helped to his feet by B/A #3 as B/A #2 provides cover

2:27 – Camera pans back to the M/N near column whose position is unchanged

2:40 – More B/A’s arrive

That is as far as I’m going to take it for now.

unsung

If the person was obeying the law and not threatening a US Federal Agent he would still be alive. Right or wrong he should not have been there. His decision to be there cost him his life.

And yes I was laughing about the open border comment, not the death of someone.