What about the Oil????

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    chadwick wrote:
    3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the OIL and PLASTICS industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:

    did you know that if someone uses a plastic fork they should be beat with an entire truck load of real forks?

    the reality is that we have it waaaaaay too good over here ... we live lives of excess and the amount of waste we generate along with our consumption is sickening ... we all should be beaten with real forks ... :(
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    polaris_x wrote:
    you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...


    this is what baffles me...i realize that as a corporation, bp wants to spend as little as possible to keep profits up etc but shouldn't they spend $$$ on prevention and plans for a possible spill? (rhetorical) you know, an ounce of prevention and all that :roll:
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    polaris_x wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    I have a couple questions about this disaster, and this seems like as good a thread as any to ask it in...
    I heard when this leak first started that the only sure-fire way to stop it is to drill a relief hole next to the existing one and use it to stop the flow of oil. I heard this option would take 3+ months by the time the hole was drilled and the flow stopped.

    Does anyone know if they've started drilling that relief hole? or are they exhausting all other options before going ahead with their 3 month project? (or did I misunderstand the option to begin with?)

    based on previous incidents of this nature - the only solution that worked was relief wells ... and yes, they take a very long time to finish ... the spill that happened 31 years ago took over 3 months to complete ...

    you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...
    But do you know if they've started drilling the relief hole? Or have they wasted two months on junk shots etc when they could be 2/3 finished the relief hole?
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Drowned Out wrote:
    But do you know if they've started drilling the relief hole? Or have they wasted two months on junk shots etc when they could be 2/3 finished the relief hole?


    In the Gulf of Mexico, BP is drilling two relief wells in case one fails. The first began May 2 and has reached a depth of 12,090 feet. The second began two weeks later and thus far is 8,650 feet deep. The company estimates that the relief wells will be completed in August. The trick to the operation is to make sure the relief wells squarely intercept the gushing well.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/05 ... s-20100606
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    norm wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...


    this is what baffles me...i realize that as a corporation, bp wants to spend as little as possible to keep profits up etc but shouldn't they spend $$$ on prevention and plans for a possible spill? (rhetorical) you know, an ounce of prevention and all that :roll:


    You would think. More so on prevention than plans for a spill too.
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    norm wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    But do you know if they've started drilling the relief hole? Or have they wasted two months on junk shots etc when they could be 2/3 finished the relief hole?


    In the Gulf of Mexico, BP is drilling two relief wells in case one fails. The first began May 2 and has reached a depth of 12,090 feet. The second began two weeks later and thus far is 8,650 feet deep. The company estimates that the relief wells will be completed in August. The trick to the operation is to make sure the relief wells squarely intercept the gushing well.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/05 ... s-20100606
    Thanks norm :) And thanks for not posting that "here let me google that for you" link :lol:
  • eyedclaar
    eyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    polaris_x wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the OIL and PLASTICS industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:

    did you know that if someone uses a plastic fork they should be beat with an entire truck load of real forks?

    the reality is that we have it waaaaaay too good over here ... we live lives of excess and the amount of waste we generate along with our consumption is sickening ... we all should be beaten with real forks ... :(

    In the interest of saving resources, could we not just stab everyone with the same fork?
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Drowned Out wrote:
    norm wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    But do you know if they've started drilling the relief hole? Or have they wasted two months on junk shots etc when they could be 2/3 finished the relief hole?


    In the Gulf of Mexico, BP is drilling two relief wells in case one fails. The first began May 2 and has reached a depth of 12,090 feet. The second began two weeks later and thus far is 8,650 feet deep. The company estimates that the relief wells will be completed in August. The trick to the operation is to make sure the relief wells squarely intercept the gushing well.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/05 ... s-20100606
    Thanks norm :) And thanks for not posting that "here let me google that for you" link :lol:


    i let you off...this time ;):lol:
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    eyedclaar wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the OIL and PLASTICS industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:

    did you know that if someone uses a plastic fork they should be beat with an entire truck load of real forks?

    the reality is that we have it waaaaaay too good over here ... we live lives of excess and the amount of waste we generate along with our consumption is sickening ... we all should be beaten with real forks ... :(

    In the interest of saving resources, could we not just stab everyone with the same fork?


    screw that! i want my own fork...who knows where you people have been!
  • eyedclaar
    eyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    norm wrote:
    screw that! i want my own fork...who knows where you people have been!


    I was gonna let my pet grizzly lick it off between each stabbing.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    thank you eyed.
    anyone using plastic forks from here on out should be stabbed with a real metal fork.

    if you need a fork that bad and no real metal fork is around
    construct one out of tree branches lying on the ground
    or use your fingers.

    you're a human.
    humans are animals.

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    a nice hole
    but a hole nonetheless.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    norm wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...


    this is what baffles me...i realize that as a corporation, bp wants to spend as little as possible to keep profits up etc but shouldn't they spend $$$ on prevention and plans for a possible spill? (rhetorical) you know, an ounce of prevention and all that :roll:

    well ... considering exxon chose to break the law they signed to avoid spending on double-hulled liners and radar - it's not that baffling ...

    and for those who still have not figured it out ... the US taxpayers will pay for much of this accident ... it may come in the form of future tax breaks, bailouts or whatever ... but don't be fooled into thinking this will sink BP ... frig ... their stock went up on the news that one of their stupid ideas might actually of helped a slight bit ...
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    polaris_x wrote:
    norm wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...


    this is what baffles me...i realize that as a corporation, bp wants to spend as little as possible to keep profits up etc but shouldn't they spend $$$ on prevention and plans for a possible spill? (rhetorical) you know, an ounce of prevention and all that :roll:

    well ... considering exxon chose to break the law they signed to avoid spending on double-hulled liners and radar - it's not that baffling ...

    yeah that's why i said rhetorical...i realize nothing will change but sometimes i just need to ask the questions ;)
    polaris_x wrote:
    and for those who still have not figured it out ... the US taxpayers will pay for much of this accident ... it may come in the form of future tax breaks, bailouts or whatever ... but don't be fooled into thinking this will sink BP ... frig ... their stock went up on the news that one of their stupid ideas might actually of helped a slight bit ...

    ok, i've been hesitant to put this out there because i know how it will be received (not by you polaris, in general) but...

    should we really boycott bp? they're the ones that should pay for cleanup, loss of employment etc...by boycotting them, they will lose money and then will not be able to pay their debt...then, of course, our federal govt will have to come in and pay for it (which i am not in favor of)

    i don't know...it was just a thought i had...obviously, we need to change our ways...we've been doing it at a snails pace for the last 40 years, maybe this incident will help speed things along
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    norm wrote:
    ok, i've been hesitant to put this out there because i know how it will be received (not by you polaris, in general) but...

    should we really boycott bp? they're the ones that should pay for cleanup, loss of employment etc...by boycotting them, they will lose money and then will not be able to pay their debt...then, of course, our federal govt will have to come in and pay for it (which i am not in favor of)

    i don't know...it was just a thought i had...obviously, we need to change our ways...we've been doing it at a snails pace for the last 40 years, maybe this incident will help speed things along

    if it was any other industry - i would say definitely as consumers only power is in how they spend their money ... but the oil industry is quite incestous ... they are essentially all one big family ... they are colluding crooks ...

    but to get to the crux of the issue - would require more than a simple boycott of BP or oil in general ... people have to first realize that our current way of life is simply unsustainable - it hasn't been for some time and it will only get worse unless we wake up ...
  • StillHere
    StillHere Posts: 7,795
    chadwick wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    1. can't believe you typed all that ... :)
    2. you are absolutely right
    3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the oil and plastics industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:

    3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the OIL and PLASTICS industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:

    did you know that if someone uses a plastic fork they should be beat with an entire truck load of real forks?
    \
    that would be a waste of perfectly good forks...and then who'd be in charge of the "fork incident" cleanup? Hmm??? :)
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  • norm
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    polaris_x wrote:
    norm wrote:
    ok, i've been hesitant to put this out there because i know how it will be received (not by you polaris, in general) but...

    should we really boycott bp? they're the ones that should pay for cleanup, loss of employment etc...by boycotting them, they will lose money and then will not be able to pay their debt...then, of course, our federal govt will have to come in and pay for it (which i am not in favor of)

    i don't know...it was just a thought i had...obviously, we need to change our ways...we've been doing it at a snails pace for the last 40 years, maybe this incident will help speed things along

    if it was any other industry - i would say definitely as consumers only power is in how they spend their money ... but the oil industry is quite incestous ... they are essentially all one big family ... they are colluding crooks ...

    but to get to the crux of the issue - would require more than a simple boycott of BP or oil in general ... people have to first realize that our current way of life is simply unsustainable - it hasn't been for some time and it will only get worse unless we wake up ...


    you're right of course...i guess these thoughts just come into my head because of how helpless this whole thing makes me feel
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    norm wrote:
    you're right of course...i guess these thoughts just come into my head because of how helpless this whole thing makes me feel

    knowledge will set us all free ... if everyone just understood what the truth was ... we could easily adapt ...
  • eyedclaar
    eyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    polaris_x wrote:
    norm wrote:
    you're right of course...i guess these thoughts just come into my head because of how helpless this whole thing makes me feel

    knowledge will set us all free ... if everyone just understood what the truth was ... we could easily adapt ...

    People seem to think it would mean this huge step back to actually do things correctly and sustainably. I think it would be the exact opposite, once we all got on board.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    eyedclaar wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    norm wrote:
    you're right of course...i guess these thoughts just come into my head because of how helpless this whole thing makes me feel

    knowledge will set us all free ... if everyone just understood what the truth was ... we could easily adapt ...

    People seem to think it would mean this huge step back to actually do things correctly and sustainably. I think it would be the exact opposite, once we all got on board.

    which of course is the problem...people suck ;)
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    norm wrote:
    which of course is the problem...people suck ;)

    my girlfriend's favourite line :lol:

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