3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the OIL and PLASTICS industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:
did you know that if someone uses a plastic fork they should be beat with an entire truck load of real forks?
the reality is that we have it waaaaaay too good over here ... we live lives of excess and the amount of waste we generate along with our consumption is sickening ... we all should be beaten with real forks ... :(
you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...
this is what baffles me...i realize that as a corporation, bp wants to spend as little as possible to keep profits up etc but shouldn't they spend $$$ on prevention and plans for a possible spill? (rhetorical) you know, an ounce of prevention and all that :roll:
I have a couple questions about this disaster, and this seems like as good a thread as any to ask it in...
I heard when this leak first started that the only sure-fire way to stop it is to drill a relief hole next to the existing one and use it to stop the flow of oil. I heard this option would take 3+ months by the time the hole was drilled and the flow stopped.
Does anyone know if they've started drilling that relief hole? or are they exhausting all other options before going ahead with their 3 month project? (or did I misunderstand the option to begin with?)
based on previous incidents of this nature - the only solution that worked was relief wells ... and yes, they take a very long time to finish ... the spill that happened 31 years ago took over 3 months to complete ...
you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...
But do you know if they've started drilling the relief hole? Or have they wasted two months on junk shots etc when they could be 2/3 finished the relief hole?
But do you know if they've started drilling the relief hole? Or have they wasted two months on junk shots etc when they could be 2/3 finished the relief hole?
In the Gulf of Mexico, BP is drilling two relief wells in case one fails. The first began May 2 and has reached a depth of 12,090 feet. The second began two weeks later and thus far is 8,650 feet deep. The company estimates that the relief wells will be completed in August. The trick to the operation is to make sure the relief wells squarely intercept the gushing well.
you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...
this is what baffles me...i realize that as a corporation, bp wants to spend as little as possible to keep profits up etc but shouldn't they spend $$$ on prevention and plans for a possible spill? (rhetorical) you know, an ounce of prevention and all that :roll:
You would think. More so on prevention than plans for a spill too.
But do you know if they've started drilling the relief hole? Or have they wasted two months on junk shots etc when they could be 2/3 finished the relief hole?
In the Gulf of Mexico, BP is drilling two relief wells in case one fails. The first began May 2 and has reached a depth of 12,090 feet. The second began two weeks later and thus far is 8,650 feet deep. The company estimates that the relief wells will be completed in August. The trick to the operation is to make sure the relief wells squarely intercept the gushing well.
3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the OIL and PLASTICS industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:
did you know that if someone uses a plastic fork they should be beat with an entire truck load of real forks?
the reality is that we have it waaaaaay too good over here ... we live lives of excess and the amount of waste we generate along with our consumption is sickening ... we all should be beaten with real forks ... :(
In the interest of saving resources, could we not just stab everyone with the same fork?
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But do you know if they've started drilling the relief hole? Or have they wasted two months on junk shots etc when they could be 2/3 finished the relief hole?
In the Gulf of Mexico, BP is drilling two relief wells in case one fails. The first began May 2 and has reached a depth of 12,090 feet. The second began two weeks later and thus far is 8,650 feet deep. The company estimates that the relief wells will be completed in August. The trick to the operation is to make sure the relief wells squarely intercept the gushing well.
3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the OIL and PLASTICS industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:
did you know that if someone uses a plastic fork they should be beat with an entire truck load of real forks?
the reality is that we have it waaaaaay too good over here ... we live lives of excess and the amount of waste we generate along with our consumption is sickening ... we all should be beaten with real forks ... :(
In the interest of saving resources, could we not just stab everyone with the same fork?
screw that! i want my own fork...who knows where you people have been!
you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...
this is what baffles me...i realize that as a corporation, bp wants to spend as little as possible to keep profits up etc but shouldn't they spend $$$ on prevention and plans for a possible spill? (rhetorical) you know, an ounce of prevention and all that :roll:
well ... considering exxon chose to break the law they signed to avoid spending on double-hulled liners and radar - it's not that baffling ...
and for those who still have not figured it out ... the US taxpayers will pay for much of this accident ... it may come in the form of future tax breaks, bailouts or whatever ... but don't be fooled into thinking this will sink BP ... frig ... their stock went up on the news that one of their stupid ideas might actually of helped a slight bit ...
you would think with so much money - they would invest some of that in trying to a) prevent these accidents or b) have containment protocols that work ... but alas - it was a big thumbs down on that front ...
this is what baffles me...i realize that as a corporation, bp wants to spend as little as possible to keep profits up etc but shouldn't they spend $$$ on prevention and plans for a possible spill? (rhetorical) you know, an ounce of prevention and all that :roll:
well ... considering exxon chose to break the law they signed to avoid spending on double-hulled liners and radar - it's not that baffling ...
yeah that's why i said rhetorical...i realize nothing will change but sometimes i just need to ask the questions
and for those who still have not figured it out ... the US taxpayers will pay for much of this accident ... it may come in the form of future tax breaks, bailouts or whatever ... but don't be fooled into thinking this will sink BP ... frig ... their stock went up on the news that one of their stupid ideas might actually of helped a slight bit ...
ok, i've been hesitant to put this out there because i know how it will be received (not by you polaris, in general) but...
should we really boycott bp? they're the ones that should pay for cleanup, loss of employment etc...by boycotting them, they will lose money and then will not be able to pay their debt...then, of course, our federal govt will have to come in and pay for it (which i am not in favor of)
i don't know...it was just a thought i had...obviously, we need to change our ways...we've been doing it at a snails pace for the last 40 years, maybe this incident will help speed things along
ok, i've been hesitant to put this out there because i know how it will be received (not by you polaris, in general) but...
should we really boycott bp? they're the ones that should pay for cleanup, loss of employment etc...by boycotting them, they will lose money and then will not be able to pay their debt...then, of course, our federal govt will have to come in and pay for it (which i am not in favor of)
i don't know...it was just a thought i had...obviously, we need to change our ways...we've been doing it at a snails pace for the last 40 years, maybe this incident will help speed things along
if it was any other industry - i would say definitely as consumers only power is in how they spend their money ... but the oil industry is quite incestous ... they are essentially all one big family ... they are colluding crooks ...
but to get to the crux of the issue - would require more than a simple boycott of BP or oil in general ... people have to first realize that our current way of life is simply unsustainable - it hasn't been for some time and it will only get worse unless we wake up ...
1. can't believe you typed all that ...
2. you are absolutely right
3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the oil and plastics industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:
3. the sad part is there are alternatives for almost everything you gave but between the OIL and PLASTICS industry - their hold of gov't is very strong ... :evil:
did you know that if someone uses a plastic fork they should be beat with an entire truck load of real forks?
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that would be a waste of perfectly good forks...and then who'd be in charge of the "fork incident" cleanup? Hmm???
peace,
jo
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ok, i've been hesitant to put this out there because i know how it will be received (not by you polaris, in general) but...
should we really boycott bp? they're the ones that should pay for cleanup, loss of employment etc...by boycotting them, they will lose money and then will not be able to pay their debt...then, of course, our federal govt will have to come in and pay for it (which i am not in favor of)
i don't know...it was just a thought i had...obviously, we need to change our ways...we've been doing it at a snails pace for the last 40 years, maybe this incident will help speed things along
if it was any other industry - i would say definitely as consumers only power is in how they spend their money ... but the oil industry is quite incestous ... they are essentially all one big family ... they are colluding crooks ...
but to get to the crux of the issue - would require more than a simple boycott of BP or oil in general ... people have to first realize that our current way of life is simply unsustainable - it hasn't been for some time and it will only get worse unless we wake up ...
you're right of course...i guess these thoughts just come into my head because of how helpless this whole thing makes me feel
you're right of course...i guess these thoughts just come into my head because of how helpless this whole thing makes me feel
knowledge will set us all free ... if everyone just understood what the truth was ... we could easily adapt ...
People seem to think it would mean this huge step back to actually do things correctly and sustainably. I think it would be the exact opposite, once we all got on board.
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you're right of course...i guess these thoughts just come into my head because of how helpless this whole thing makes me feel
knowledge will set us all free ... if everyone just understood what the truth was ... we could easily adapt ...
People seem to think it would mean this huge step back to actually do things correctly and sustainably. I think it would be the exact opposite, once we all got on board.
that would be a waste of perfectly good forks...and then who'd be in charge of the "fork incident" cleanup? Hmm???
i was trying to be funny
sorry it didn't work
well....so was I...lol! I guess sarcasm just doesn't work in print :roll:
peace,
jo
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and sadly that doesn't even take into account other types of spills like the wasteland shell turned Nigeria into
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
About the oil also...in about 9 -12 months, it will begin to affect what you pay in a lot of places including what you pay for your seafood wants. Right now, the shrimp you are getting was caught about a year ago and has been held since then at a lower temperature than what you are able to get at home. In about a year, any shrimp harvested from the region now will be on your table at a much higher price...and who knows how tainted. Same goes for other seafood from the region. I feel bad for people whose livelihoods depend on the sea in this area.
About the oil also...in about 9 -12 months, it will begin to affect what you pay in a lot of places including what you pay for your seafood wants. Right now, the shrimp you are getting was caught about a year ago and has been held since then at a lower temperature than what you are able to get at home. In about a year, any shrimp harvested from the region now will be on your table at a much higher price...and who knows how tainted. Same goes for other seafood from the region. I feel bad for people whose livelihoods depend on the sea in this area.
We humans sure know how to f)(&*k up a good thing, don't we? :roll:
peace,
jo
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the reality is that we have it waaaaaay too good over here ... we live lives of excess and the amount of waste we generate along with our consumption is sickening ... we all should be beaten with real forks ... :(
this is what baffles me...i realize that as a corporation, bp wants to spend as little as possible to keep profits up etc but shouldn't they spend $$$ on prevention and plans for a possible spill? (rhetorical) you know, an ounce of prevention and all that :roll:
In the Gulf of Mexico, BP is drilling two relief wells in case one fails. The first began May 2 and has reached a depth of 12,090 feet. The second began two weeks later and thus far is 8,650 feet deep. The company estimates that the relief wells will be completed in August. The trick to the operation is to make sure the relief wells squarely intercept the gushing well.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/05 ... s-20100606
You would think. More so on prevention than plans for a spill too.
In the interest of saving resources, could we not just stab everyone with the same fork?
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i let you off...this time
screw that! i want my own fork...who knows where you people have been!
I was gonna let my pet grizzly lick it off between each stabbing.
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anyone using plastic forks from here on out should be stabbed with a real metal fork.
if you need a fork that bad and no real metal fork is around
construct one out of tree branches lying on the ground
or use your fingers.
you're a human.
humans are animals.
i encourage living in a hole.
a nice hole
but a hole nonetheless.
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
well ... considering exxon chose to break the law they signed to avoid spending on double-hulled liners and radar - it's not that baffling ...
and for those who still have not figured it out ... the US taxpayers will pay for much of this accident ... it may come in the form of future tax breaks, bailouts or whatever ... but don't be fooled into thinking this will sink BP ... frig ... their stock went up on the news that one of their stupid ideas might actually of helped a slight bit ...
yeah that's why i said rhetorical...i realize nothing will change but sometimes i just need to ask the questions
ok, i've been hesitant to put this out there because i know how it will be received (not by you polaris, in general) but...
should we really boycott bp? they're the ones that should pay for cleanup, loss of employment etc...by boycotting them, they will lose money and then will not be able to pay their debt...then, of course, our federal govt will have to come in and pay for it (which i am not in favor of)
i don't know...it was just a thought i had...obviously, we need to change our ways...we've been doing it at a snails pace for the last 40 years, maybe this incident will help speed things along
if it was any other industry - i would say definitely as consumers only power is in how they spend their money ... but the oil industry is quite incestous ... they are essentially all one big family ... they are colluding crooks ...
but to get to the crux of the issue - would require more than a simple boycott of BP or oil in general ... people have to first realize that our current way of life is simply unsustainable - it hasn't been for some time and it will only get worse unless we wake up ...
that would be a waste of perfectly good forks...and then who'd be in charge of the "fork incident" cleanup? Hmm???
jo
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"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
you're right of course...i guess these thoughts just come into my head because of how helpless this whole thing makes me feel
knowledge will set us all free ... if everyone just understood what the truth was ... we could easily adapt ...
People seem to think it would mean this huge step back to actually do things correctly and sustainably. I think it would be the exact opposite, once we all got on board.
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which of course is the problem...people suck
my girlfriend's favourite line
oh and look what ny times just posted
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/12/your- ... wt=nytimes
guess i wasn't the only one thinking that
sorry it didn't work
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
well....so was I...lol! I guess sarcasm just doesn't work in print :roll:
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
and sadly that doesn't even take into account other types of spills like the wasteland shell turned Nigeria into
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
nice river water.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
when george w bush first ran for the presidency, i remember what my dad said.
"son, you cannot ever trust a texas oilman."
thanks dad.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
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no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
We humans sure know how to f)(&*k up a good thing, don't we? :roll:
jo
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