15 years old mexican killed...update

Jason P · June 2010

I didn't realize their was sound. It appears three shots were fired?

cincybearcat · June 2010

dimitrispearljam wrote:

wtf!!!why he shoots?he was in danger?what fuckin laws u have there?????i dont believe it..if he was in Greece,he will be in jail for murder 1st deggree and will give him 30 years to life in jail..

Calm down there. What fuckin laws we have here? We have laws that allow for an investigation and trial before throwing someone in jail. Let's see what happens.

Godfather. · June 2010

cincybearcat wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

wtf!!!why he shoots?he was in danger?what fuckin laws u have there?????i dont believe it..if he was in Greece,he will be in jail for murder 1st deggree and will give him 30 years to life in jail..

Calm down there. What fuckin laws we have here? We have laws that allow for an investigation and trial before throwing someone in jail. Let's see what happens.

it wont matter..if it was the mexican kid who killed the B/A he would be a hero to a lot of people on here and they would still be whinning about a "line drawn in the dirt" what a bunch a bullshit :evil:

Godfather.

polaris_x · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

it wont matter..if it was the mexican kid who killed the B/A he would be a hero to a lot of people on here and they would still be whinning about a "line drawn in the dirt" what a bunch a bullshit :evil:

Godfather.

i would give you that there might be a couple of people that might think that way ... but to say a lot of people here would praise a mexican kid for killing a BA is ludicrous ... you are clearly out of step with the values and beliefs of most people on this board if you think that ...

which is sad ... most people here value human life ...

haffajappa · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

wtf!!!why he shoots?he was in danger?what fuckin laws u have there?????i dont believe it..if he was in Greece,he will be in jail for murder 1st deggree and will give him 30 years to life in jail..

Calm down there. What fuckin laws we have here? We have laws that allow for an investigation and trial before throwing someone in jail. Let's see what happens.

it wont matter..if it was the mexican kid who killed the B/A he would be a hero to a lot of people on here and they would still be whinning about a "line drawn in the dirt" what a bunch a bullshit :evil:

Godfather.

I don't think that's true at all.. a life is a life... Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they think the lives of Americans aren't as important as the lives of Mexicans - just as you - I assume - aren't so ignorant to believe the lives of Americans are more important than that of your southern neighbours.

redrock · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

it wont matter..if it was the mexican kid who killed the B/A he would be a hero to a lot of people on here and they would still be whinning about a "line drawn in the dirt" what a bunch a bullshit :evil:

Godfather.

Very twisted way of seeing things. A murder is a murder. Should the kid have shot an unarmed BA, it would have been the same.

TriumphantAngel · June 2010

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

it wont matter..if it was the mexican kid who killed the B/A he would be a hero to a lot of people on here and they would still be whinning about a "line drawn in the dirt" what a bunch a bullshit :evil:

Godfather.

i would give you that there might be a couple of people that might think that way ... but to say a lot of people here would praise a mexican kid for killing a BA is ludicrous ... you are clearly out of step with the values and beliefs of most people on this board if you think that ...

which is sad ... most people here value human life ...

i agree with you polaris_x. Godfather, to say that is just ludicrous. c'mon now, you don't really believe that. surely

polaris_x · June 2010

Jason P wrote:

Comments are welcome as I try to analyze this:

0:05 – SUV #1 on U.S side of fence races away from the camera and stops nears a pedestrian border bridge while several people are running in erratic fashion

0:23 – B/A #1 (long pants in black) is running towards the stopped SUV #1 near the fence and bridge

0:30 – B/A #1 runs towards fence on U.S. side

0:40 – Four (4) assumed Mexican Nationals (M/N) running along the Rio Grande on U.S. side, one near the fence

0:45 – B/A #1 pops through a hole in the fence; One M/N runs toward Mexico; Two M/N’s stay near B/A #1 as he comes through the fence and appear to assault B/A #1 with their hands

0:50 – B/A #2 (Shorts and white shirt) enters in chasing down the U.S. side of the Rio Grande

0:55 – M/N’s notice B/A #2 and leave B/A #1 and run towards the Mexican side of the Rio Grande; B/A #1 appears woozy

0:58 – 1:04 – Camera drops out

1:05 – B/A #2 has weapon drawn while helping B/A #1 who appears to be hurt and is on his knees but upright with arm dangling

1:15 – B/A #2 has weapon drawn and starts to drag B/A #1 while he falls to his hands and crawls alongside

1:19 – B/A #1 condition is worse and he falls to the ground

1:23 – One M/N is standing in the muddy river watching the B/A’s when he suddenly sprints towards the Mexican border

1:27 – B/A #1 is now lying on the ground

1:29 – B/A #2 crouches in front of B/A #1 who appears to be unconscious and readies his firearm in a shooter’s position towards the Mexican border

1:35 – Camera pans back and forth a few times and there appear to be two M/N’s on the Mexican side of the border, one near a bridge column

1:35 to 1:41 – Camera pans back and forth and it is unclear what is transpiring

1:42 – One M/N near the bridge column is now lying on the ground

1:42 to 1:50 – Unclear what is going on as camera pans back and forth

1:51 – B/A #3 arrives on bicycle on the U.S. side to assist B/A #1 and B/A #2

1:52 to 2:02 – Camera pans slowly to M/N #1 who is lying (dead as we now know) on the Mexican side

2:03 – B/A #3 attends to B/A #1 as B/A #2 is in shooters stance with his firearm pointed at the Mexican side

2:03 to 2:23 – Camera is focused on B/A’s, not much transpires

2:24 – B/A #1 regains conscious and is helped to his feet by B/A #3 as B/A #2 provides cover

2:27 – Camera pans back to the M/N near column whose position is unchanged

2:40 – More B/A’s arrive

That is as far as I’m going to take it for now.

i don't think BA #1 is a BA ... you see him being walked away with his hands behind his back as if he was cuffed

Jason P · June 2010

polaris_x wrote:

i don't think BA #1 is a BA ... you see him being walked away with his hands behind his back as if he was cuffed

Interesting . . . as noted, I didn't get to watch the whole thing as I had to sneak my view time in. This sheds some new light. It seemed kind of weird that they ran up to him.

Side note: Is it a strange cosmic requirement that any video footage that captures a crime must be grainy and black & white? And this seemed to be from someones personal equipment to boot.

Godfather. · June 2010

I may have been a LITTLE out of line...maybe.
but why don't some of you go back in this forum and re-read some of the posts put up in the other race and border related issues (topics). BTW my statement was my opinion and reading on other threads from some the members on here brought me to that asumption, please don't ask me to give names or topics look for your self.
as I have stated before the loss of a life so young is very sad but don't sta pointing fingers unless you where there and know what really happened.

Godfather.

TriumphantAngel · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

I may have been a LITTLE out of line...maybe.
but why don't some of you go back in this forum and re-read some of the posts put up in the other race and border related issues (topics). BTW my statement was my opinion and reading on other threads from some the members on here brought me to that asumption, please don't ask me to give names or topics look for your self.
as I have stated before the loss of a life so young is very sad but don't sta pointing fingers unless you where there and know what really happened.

Godfather.

i know people can be very passionate about their beliefs. i know that. i just don't see anyone advocating and supporting murder Godfather.

unless of course there's a topic relating to the death penalty. i see it there. from memory, you are supporter of it. i could be wrong though.

_ · June 2010

blackredyellow wrote:

I hate defending unsung on any issue regarding immigration, but you can't say that the border crossed this kid... he's 15, the border has been there his whole life.

It is an imaginary line drawn by people in power, but we have those lines everyday that we live by... I know where my property ends and where my neighbor's starts

Yes, but did your neighbor's property used to be your (or your family's) property until your neighbors (or their family) came in and took it by force?

_ · June 2010

polaris_x wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I hate defending unsung on any issue regarding immigration, but you can't say that the border crossed this kid... he's 15, the border has been there his whole life.

It is an imaginary line drawn by people in power, but we have those lines everyday that we live by... I know where my property ends and where my neighbor's starts, I can't just cross that line and do whatever I want there. I know down the road from me where New York ends and Vermont begins, and some different rules apply there.

would your neighbour kill you for walking on his lawn?

yeah - the border has been there all his life ... ultimately, the issue here is what warrants the loss of the kid's life? ...

Better question: Would they kill you for walking on their lawn after you were already back on your own property? What if it was illegal for them to shoot you on your own property?

ed243421 · June 2010

Godfather. wrote:

I may have been a LITTLE out of line...maybe.
but why don't some of you go back in this forum and re-read some of the posts put up in the other race and border related issues (topics). BTW my statement was my opinion and reading on other threads from some the members on here brought me to that asumption, please don't ask me to give names or topics look for your self.
as I have stated before the loss of a life so young is very sad but don't sta pointing fingers unless you where there and know what really happened.

Godfather.

seems like you are pointing fingers towards the 15 year old kid

and you didn't answer my previous question

what's the matter, don't wanna show your true colors

Godfather. · June 2010

ed243421 wrote:

to the dude who uses a picture of marlon brando for his avatar

let me get this right
you think that ANYONE who crosses YOUR border
illegally
should be shot and killed

PLEASE.... get a grip...hell no.

Godfather.

_ · June 2010

TriumphantAngel wrote:

how can a kids life not be worth more than a border?

sweet child in time, you'll see the line
the line that's drawn between the good and the bad
see the blind man, he's shooting at the world
the bullets flying, ooh there taking toll
If you've been bad - ohhh lord I bet you have
and you've not been hit, you've not been hit by flying lead
you'd better close your eyes
you better bow your head
wait for the ricochet

Slightly different line, but this conversation reminds me of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CZjW76VTv4

Godfather. · June 2010

scb wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I hate defending unsung on any issue regarding immigration, but you can't say that the border crossed this kid... he's 15, the border has been there his whole life.

It is an imaginary line drawn by people in power, but we have those lines everyday that we live by... I know where my property ends and where my neighbor's starts

Yes, but did your neighbor's property used to be your (or your family's) property until your neighbors (or their family) came in and took it by force?

do a little more history .

Godfather.

polaris_x · June 2010

scb wrote:

Better question: Would they kill you for walking on their lawn after you were already back on your own property? What if it was illegal for them to shoot you on your own property?

i found it interesting that he would shoot someone on the mexican side ... and then basically leave him there to die ... i mean ... maybe the kid could have been saved if someone got to him sooner ...

cincybearcat · June 2010

scb wrote:

Better question: Would they kill you for walking on their lawn after you were already back on your own property? What if it was illegal for them to shoot you on your own property?

Better question: Would you shoot someone that was just on your lawn when they have been helping millions of their friends sneak into your lawn over years and years and years...

Of course you shouldn't...but I can see how some might lose their grip and do something terrible.

ed243421 · June 2010

cincybearcat wrote:

scb wrote:

Better question: Would they kill you for walking on their lawn after you were already back on your own property? What if it was illegal for them to shoot you on your own property?

Better question: Would you shoot someone that was just on your lawn when they have been helping millions of their friends sneak into your lawn over years and years and years...

Of course you shouldn't...but I can see how some might lose their grip and do something terrible.

even better question: would you shoot someone on your land, a land which was stolen by your ancestors who then murdered every innocent human who was living there prior to the genocide?

15 years old mexican killed...update

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