Celtic and Lakers anyone

norm · June 2010

Poncier wrote:

walkunafraid wrote:

the Lakers of 2010 are head and shoulders above the Lakers of 2008, while the Celdicks are just older and slower.

The differences for the Lakers are the addition of Artest, a definte upgrade over Ariza, and the fact that Bynum can suit up, a definite downgrade.(He'll foul out in at least 3 games)

For the Celtics, there is one glaring difference...Rondo's development from June 2008 to June 2010, he has improved by leaps and bounds, and that will be the difference in the series.
Who is going to guard him? Derek Fisher? Now thats older and slower, Rondo will blow by him all game long. If they cheat with Artest or Kobe to help out on Rondo, they leave Ray Allen or Paul Pierce wide open, I'll take that any time.

Celtics in 6.

i'd argue with you on that but i can't

and don't forget mr. kardasian...it's a neck and neck tie with ron ron for biggest head case on the team :roll: :P

GO LAKERS!!

Poncier · June 2010

norm wrote:

i'd argue with you on that but i can't and don't forget mr. kardasian...it's a neck and neck tie with ron ron for biggest head case on the team :roll: :P

GO LAKERS!!

in 2008, Mr. Kardasian and the Llama became shrinking violets when confronted with the Celts' physical style. It'll be interesting to see how they handle things this year. Llama is definitely playing well, but against west conference finesse teams who play little (OKC and UTAH) defense or absolutely no defense (Feenix) at all.
Artest won't disappear in a physical game, I firmly believe he was brought on board just for this potential finals matchup, we'll see if he can be the difference.

Lizard · June 2010

walkunafraid · June 2010

Poncier wrote:

walkunafraid wrote:

the Lakers of 2010 are head and shoulders above the Lakers of 2008, while the Celdicks are just older and slower.

The differences for the Lakers are the addition of Artest, a definte upgrade over Ariza, and the fact that Bynum can suit up, a definite downgrade.(He'll foul out in at least 3 games)

For the Celtics, there is one glaring difference...Rondo's development from June 2008 to June 2010, he has improved by leaps and bounds, and that will be the difference in the series.
Who is going to guard him? Derek Fisher? Now thats older and slower, Rondo will blow by him all game long. If they cheat with Artest or Kobe to help out on Rondo, they leave Ray Allen or Paul Pierce wide open, I'll take that any time.

Celtics in 6.

I suspect Kobe will, for the most part, be assigned to Rondo, with Fisher on Allen. That's actually a decent plan since Allen is primarily a spot-up shooter who needs picks and screens to get open, and Fisher (despite his diminished speed) is a tough guard who does a good job of fighting through screens.

Of course, Fisher was primarily assigned to three very good point guards (two of which are definitely better than Rondo) in Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Nash in the playoffs so far, and none of those have done enough to bring their team to victory, so Phil may very well elect to play straight up again.

The key will be how the Lakers respond to Boston's style of defense. Everyone said that Phoenix was a poor warm-up for Boston, but I disagree. Boston plays a style that is very similar to the zone that Phoenix threw at the Lakers starting in game 3 of the WCF. Luckily, it gave the Lakers an opportunity to figure it out to the point where we know how to handle it now. If we can carry that over to the Finals, there should be another championship parade rolling through the streets of Los Angeles in a few weeks.

dcfaithful · June 2010

Poncier wrote:

walkunafraid wrote:

the Lakers of 2010 are head and shoulders above the Lakers of 2008, while the Celdicks are just older and slower.

The differences for the Lakers are the addition of Artest, a definte upgrade over Ariza, and the fact that Bynum can suit up, a definite downgrade.(He'll foul out in at least 3 games)

For the Celtics, there is one glaring difference...Rondo's development from June 2008 to June 2010, he has improved by leaps and bounds, and that will be the difference in the series.
Who is going to guard him? Derek Fisher? Now thats older and slower, Rondo will blow by him all game long. If they cheat with Artest or Kobe to help out on Rondo, they leave Ray Allen or Paul Pierce wide open, I'll take that any time.

Celtics in 6.

He may be an upgrade from Ariza, but he can't be considered a significant one. Artest time and time again has shown his low basketball IQ. Or am I the only one that sees the ridiculous shots he takes?

norm · June 2010

dcfaithful wrote:

Artest time and time again has shown his low basketball IQ.

why confine to just basketball...the dude's head is full of rocks

walkunafraid · June 2010

dcfaithful wrote:

Poncier wrote:

walkunafraid wrote:

the Lakers of 2010 are head and shoulders above the Lakers of 2008, while the Celdicks are just older and slower.

The differences for the Lakers are the addition of Artest, a definte upgrade over Ariza, and the fact that Bynum can suit up, a definite downgrade.(He'll foul out in at least 3 games)

For the Celtics, there is one glaring difference...Rondo's development from June 2008 to June 2010, he has improved by leaps and bounds, and that will be the difference in the series.
Who is going to guard him? Derek Fisher? Now thats older and slower, Rondo will blow by him all game long. If they cheat with Artest or Kobe to help out on Rondo, they leave Ray Allen or Paul Pierce wide open, I'll take that any time.

Celtics in 6.

He may be an upgrade from Ariza, but he can't be considered a significant one. Artest time and time again has shown his low basketball IQ. Or am I the only one that sees the ridiculous shots he takes?

Artest's defensive mentality and physical toughness are an upgrade over Ariza, although I agree that he makes some really stupid decisions on the court at times. You take the good with the bad, I guess.

It seems like you're discussing the 2008 versions of the Lakers/Celtics, though, in which case this is a pretty meaningless discussion. Ariza was injured throughout most of the end of that season and hardly played against the Celtics. It was Vladimir Radmanovic who started at SF for the Lakers in the Finals, and he pretty much split minutes with Puke Walton. Surely you can't deny that, mental deficiencies or not, Artest is a HUGE upgrade over either of those two.

81 · June 2010

i'm on the Lakers bandwagon. fuck boston.

Poncier · June 2010

walkunafraid wrote:

Of course, Fisher was primarily assigned to three very good point guards (two of which are definitely better than Rondo) in Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Nash in the playoffs so far, and none of those have done enough to bring their team to victory, so Phil may very well elect to play straight up again.

The key will be how the Lakers respond to Boston's style of defense. Everyone said that Phoenix was a poor warm-up for Boston, but I disagree. Boston plays a style that is very similar to the zone that Phoenix threw at the Lakers starting in game 3 of the WCF. Luckily, it gave the Lakers an opportunity to figure it out to the point where we know how to handle it now. If we can carry that over to the Finals, there should be another championship parade rolling through the streets of Los Angeles in a few weeks.

The point guards that Fisher faced are very different from Rondo. You can argue Williams and Nash are better overall PG's, and thats basically because both have a better outside shot and have good 3 point range. Rondo's game however is driving to the basket and he is significantly faster with the ball than pretty much any other player in the league. Fisher will be toast if he plays hi straight up.

And Phoenix' zone is a good warmup for the Celts man to man, help defense? Isn't that like saying a Creed concert is a similar experience to a Pearl Jam concert?

g under p · June 2010

.....and I Especially liked what Geddy had to say when they played the GAHDEN 08'

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa21 ... G00117.jpg

Peace

ed243421 · June 2010

fuck the lakers
kareem was soft
magic was soft
gasol is the softest
kobe is soft
bynum is hurt
remember game 6 - 2008
131-92, the largest margin of victory in a series-clinching win in NBA finals history
the lakers are soft
celtics in 4
and phil jackson is the worst coach with 10 rings ever
their colors are soft
purple and yellow
they look like a bunch of fuckin easter bunnies out there
fuck the lakers

walkunafraid · June 2010

Poncier wrote:

walkunafraid wrote:

Of course, Fisher was primarily assigned to three very good point guards (two of which are definitely better than Rondo) in Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Nash in the playoffs so far, and none of those have done enough to bring their team to victory, so Phil may very well elect to play straight up again.

The key will be how the Lakers respond to Boston's style of defense. Everyone said that Phoenix was a poor warm-up for Boston, but I disagree. Boston plays a style that is very similar to the zone that Phoenix threw at the Lakers starting in game 3 of the WCF. Luckily, it gave the Lakers an opportunity to figure it out to the point where we know how to handle it now. If we can carry that over to the Finals, there should be another championship parade rolling through the streets of Los Angeles in a few weeks.

The point guards that Fisher faced are very different from Rondo. You can argue Williams and Nash are better overall PG's, and thats basically because both have a better outside shot and have good 3 point range. Rondo's game however is driving to the basket and he is significantly faster with the ball than pretty much any other player in the league. Fisher will be toast if he plays hi straight up.

And Phoenix' zone is a good warmup for the Celts man to man, help defense? Isn't that like saying a Creed concert is a similar experience to a Pearl Jam concert?

Good point about Rondo. His quickness will be a major factor in making sure we contain the Celtics' offense (not that they are a dominant offensive team, however). Look for Kobe to play Rondo a lot, daring him to take the outside shot.

I never said that the Celtics play a zone defense. I said that their defense is similar to the zone defense the Suns crafted against the Lakers. Yes, they play man to man, but with many principles similar to that of a zone defense. There is an excellent, Celtic-specific elaboration on this point here: http://templeofzones.blogspot.com/2010/ ... fense.html

walkunafraid · June 2010

On a purely boastful note, I got tickets to game 1 this afternoon and I can't fucking wait!

Poncier · June 2010

walkunafraid wrote:

On a purely boastful note, I got tickets to game 1 this afternoon and I can't fucking wait!

Enjoy. Should be a good take regardless of the outcome.

81 · June 2010

ed243421 wrote:

and phil jackson is the worst coach with 10 rings ever

FenwayFaithful · June 2010

81 · June 2010

i will say, in all of sports, the Beat LA chant is right there at the top of good taught chants

dcfaithful · June 2010

ed243421 wrote:

fuck the lakers
kareem was soft
magic was soft
gasol is the softest
kobe is soft
bynum is hurt
remember game 6 - 2008
131-92, the largest margin of victory in a series-clinching win in NBA finals history
the lakers are soft
celtics in 4
and phil jackson is the worst coach with 10 rings ever
their colors are soft
purple and yellow
they look like a bunch of fuckin easter bunnies out there
fuck the lakers

The greatest saying is always said twice. But seriously, you could've just left it at that.

walkunafraid · June 2010

ed243421 wrote:

fuck the lakers
kareem was soft
magic was soft
gasol is the softest
kobe is soft
bynum is hurt
remember game 6 - 2008
131-92, the largest margin of victory in a series-clinching win in NBA finals history
the lakers are soft
celtics in 4
and phil jackson is the worst coach with 10 rings ever
their colors are soft
purple and yellow
they look like a bunch of fuckin easter bunnies out there
fuck the lakers

Thanks for the post. Now I'm not going to feel bad about coming in here and rubbing it in when the Lakers whup the Celtics.

dcfaithful · June 2010

walkunafraid wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

fuck the lakers
kareem was soft
magic was soft
gasol is the softest
kobe is soft
bynum is hurt
remember game 6 - 2008
131-92, the largest margin of victory in a series-clinching win in NBA finals history
the lakers are soft
celtics in 4
and phil jackson is the worst coach with 10 rings ever
their colors are soft
purple and yellow
they look like a bunch of fuckin easter bunnies out there
fuck the lakers

Thanks for the post. Now I'm not going to feel bad about coming in here and rubbing it in when the Lakers whup the Celtics.

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Celtic and Lakers anyone

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