The Death Penalty

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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    mb262200 wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    I think it's pretty easy to sit here and say you're all against it. I wonder how many would feel differently if say maybe, your young daughter was raped and murdered by some psycho. I think if someone can be accused through DNA evidence so the courts know that they have the right guy for a crime like this, fuckem.......put the fucker to sleep....for good. I don't need my tax dollars supporting this fucker.

    Also, I find it strange how many liberals are against capital punishment but yet still support abortion. Some of you people really make no sense.
    if i say i'm completely against the death penalty under any circumstances, then i'm against against it. no ifs, buts or maybes.

    And that's fine. If that is what you feel then that is what you feel. But if you had a daughter that was murdered violently and he was given the death sentence, would you fight to keep him alive? Just wondering.
    i don't have a daughter. if i did and she was murdered, there is nothing that anyone could do to the people responsible to stop my pain. revenge is not the answer.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    mb262200 wrote:
    if you had a daughter that was murdered violently and he was given the death sentence, would you fight to keep him alive? Just wondering.

    I would. I stand by my principles. And I'd rather the murderer be made to live with the crime.

    The murderer was once a child too.
  • Poor Mad Sailor
    Poor Mad Sailor Posts: 169
    Starfall wrote:
    Yeah well, I'm completely against the death penalty for all sorts of reasons.

    1. It doesn't work to deter crime.
    2. It's applied unequally - especially along racial and economic lines.
    3. It's more expensive than a life in prison trial, even before the appeals kick in.
    4. It's irreversible once carried out.
    5. It's barbaric and unworthy of a civilized society.
    6. The odds of executing an innocent person are too great, given our imperfect justice system.

    Totally!

    Let's not forget the WM3 either :shock:
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  • _
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    mb262200 wrote:
    I think it's pretty easy to sit here and say you're all against it. I wonder how many would feel differently if say maybe, your young daughter was raped and murdered by some psycho. I think if someone can be accused through DNA evidence so the courts know that they have the right guy for a crime like this, fuckem.......put the fucker to sleep....for good. I don't need my tax dollars supporting this fucker.

    There are plenty of people who have had loved ones murdered and are still against the death penalty.
    Also, I find it strange how many liberals are against capital punishment but yet still support abortion. Some of you people really make no sense.

    Many people don't believe another person should be put to death against his/her will. A fetus is not a person, nor does it have any will. Easy enough to understand.

    I think it's pretty easy to sit here and say you're all against abortion. I wonder how many would feel differently if say maybe, your young daughter was raped and impregnated by some psycho.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    dont presume to know what im thinking. and yes when you zone in on one incorrect assumption you are indeed narrow minded and presumptuous.

    Considering your post I made a perfectly reasonable assumption. The fact that you then chose to do an about face and claim you were playing devils advocate doesn't then render me narrow minded and presumptuous.
    If you have a problem with people presuming to know what you're thinking then maybe you should be a bit clearer from the start instead of playing games and then getting pissy when you don't like the response.


    i wonder if any assumption is perfectly reasonable when a simple question asked would remove all doubt. i didnt do an about face and i didnt claim anything. should i have put a disclaimer on my original post??? seems maybe for you i shouldve. how could i have been any clearer??? i asked a question. thats all. there is no game playing from me except when it turns out you get sat on your arse, then you cry to your mama. :P
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  • Starfall
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    mb262200 wrote:
    And that's fine. If that is what you feel then that is what you feel. But if you had a daughter that was murdered violently and he was given the death sentence, would you fight to keep him alive? Just wondering.

    Speaking from experience -

    My sister had her skull bashed in by her husband with a baseball bat. I wanted him caught and punished, but I did not want him to die. I would have fought any attempts to impose the death penalty.

    However, before he was arrested, he took his own life.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Starfall wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    And that's fine. If that is what you feel then that is what you feel. But if you had a daughter that was murdered violently and he was given the death sentence, would you fight to keep him alive? Just wondering.

    Speaking from experience -

    My sister had her skull bashed in by her husband with a baseball bat. I wanted him caught and punished, but I did not want him to die. I would have fought any attempts to impose the death penalty.

    However, before he was arrested, he took his own life.

    OH MY GOD. So sorry. :shock:
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    catefrances wrote:
    Johnny Sitar wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    :roll:

    im against the death penalty. happy?


    do you play poker steve?? 8-)

    sorry, CF, but I'd have to say it was a pretty fair assumption based on your post. Good to know we were incorrect!

    no it wasnt a fair assumption. and sincerely i dont care that you were all shown to be as narrow minded as you were. all i did was ask a question, the assumption was steves and apparently yours as it turns out. it never occurred to you that i was playing devils advocate. and it because of that that you will continue to underestimate any debater that doesnt somehow fit your preconcieved paradigm. steve was reactive and that was his mistake.

    the way it was worded, along with the punctuation you used, lead the reader to believe you were for the death penalty in the example you gave. seems to me you were leading us into the little trap of yours to start a shit slinging contest, no?

    people reading a statement one way and you meaning another in the printed form is a very common flaw of the written word. don't get all high and mighty because we misunderstood you. it doesn't mean we are narrow minded. maybe it means you weren't clear.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Starfall wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    And that's fine. If that is what you feel then that is what you feel. But if you had a daughter that was murdered violently and he was given the death sentence, would you fight to keep him alive? Just wondering.

    Speaking from experience -

    My sister had her skull bashed in by her husband with a baseball bat. I wanted him caught and punished, but I did not want him to die. I would have fought any attempts to impose the death penalty.

    However, before he was arrested, he took his own life.

    Ouch. That's some pretty severe shit.

    How's your sister now? Did she survive it?
  • catefrances
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    Johnny Sitar wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    Johnny Sitar wrote:
    sorry, CF, but I'd have to say it was a pretty fair assumption based on your post. Good to know we were incorrect!

    no it wasnt a fair assumption. and sincerely i dont care that you were all shown to be as narrow minded as you were. all i did was ask a question, the assumption was steves and apparently yours as it turns out. it never occurred to you that i was playing devils advocate. and it because of that that you will continue to underestimate any debater that doesnt somehow fit your preconcieved paradigm. steve was reactive and that was his mistake.


    the way it was worded, along with the punctuation you used, lead the reader to believe you were for the death penalty in the example you gave. seems to me you were leading us into the little trap of yours to start a shit slinging contest, no?

    people reading a statement one way and you meaning another in the printed form is a very common flaw of the written word. don't get all high and mighty because we misunderstood you. it doesn't mean we are narrow minded. maybe it means you weren't clear.



    my punctuation??? please explain that one. the first five words of my question were.. where do we stand on... and my last four words were.. do they deserve life???? not dont they deserve life??? if your comprehension skills are lacking thats not my problem. all steve had to do is ask me but instead he asked an accusatory question and questioned my logic.
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  • Starfall
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    Johnny Sitar wrote:
    OH MY GOD. So sorry. :shock:
    Thank you.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Ouch. That's some pretty severe shit.
    How's your sister now? Did she survive it?

    No. She died a slow, horrible, painful death.

    Thank you both for your kind words.. but I'm afraid I have made a mistake posting about her.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Starfall wrote:
    Johnny Sitar wrote:
    OH MY GOD. So sorry. :shock:
    Thank you.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Ouch. That's some pretty severe shit.
    How's your sister now? Did she survive it?

    No. She died a slow, horrible, painful death.

    Thank you both for your kind words.. but I'm afraid I have made a mistake posting about her.

    Sorry man. That can't be an easy thing to carry.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited April 2010
    Starfall wrote:
    Johnny Sitar wrote:
    OH MY GOD. So sorry. :shock:
    Thank you.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Ouch. That's some pretty severe shit.
    How's your sister now? Did she survive it?

    No. She died a slow, horrible, painful death.

    Thank you both for your kind words.. but I'm afraid I have made a mistake posting about her.



    I really sorry to hear about your sister but I do not think you made a mistake posting about her. A classic argument is 'if one of your loved ones got murdered/etc you would change your mind about the death penalty and want to see the bastard hanged'. You sharing this with us demonstrates that this is not true.

    If something like this happened to one of my loved ones, of course I would want to skin him alive but with my own hands! Once this thought has passed, I would rather he spends his life without freedom and regretting his actions. If this person wishes to take his own life, I certainly wouldn't be shedding a tear.
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  • dpmay
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    mb262200 wrote:
    I think if someone can be accused through DNA evidence so the courts know that they have the right guy for a crime like this, fuckem.......put the fucker to sleep....for good. I don't need my tax dollars supporting this fucker.

    you spend more tax dollars on all the appeals for the fucker that go with a capital case than you would on sending the fucker to jail for life.
  • Commy
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    Giving the State the power to legally murder citizens is just plain stupid.


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  • dimitrispearljam
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    mb262200 wrote:
    I think it's pretty easy to sit here and say you're all against it. I wonder how many would feel differently if say maybe, your young daughter was raped and murdered by some psycho. I think if someone can be accused through DNA evidence so the courts know that they have the right guy for a crime like this, fuckem.......put the fucker to sleep....for good. I don't need my tax dollars supporting this fucker.

    Also, I find it strange how many liberals are against capital punishment but yet still support abortion. Some of you people really make no sense.
    eye for an eye is against democracy,justice,and common sense,killing the psucho,dont give him the right penalty..put him in jail for all his life is more difficult...u take him the number 1 priority,,FREEDOM..
    if he dies ,1st u do a crime to.and 2nd,,he will not sufferas much being in prison and thinks all day why is in jail
    and in the end for me ..we are at 2010.revenge is not the solution in this world....we saw that and its results all those thousands of years
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  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    mb262200 wrote:
    I think it's pretty easy to sit here and say you're all against it. I wonder how many would feel differently if say maybe, your young daughter was raped and murdered by some psycho. I think if someone can be accused through DNA evidence so the courts know that they have the right guy for a crime like this, fuckem.......put the fucker to sleep....for good. I don't need my tax dollars supporting this fucker.

    Also, I find it strange how many liberals are against capital punishment but yet still support abortion. Some of you people really make no sense.

    I would want that person living in a very small cell with little or no human contact and very bland food for the rest of their life (maybe with a window). So much worse a punishment so much so if I was forced to have that it would be hard not to want to kill myself.
  • inmytree
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    mb262200 wrote:
    I think it's pretty easy to sit here and say you're all against it. I wonder how many would feel differently if say maybe, your young daughter was raped and murdered by some psycho. I think if someone can be accused through DNA evidence so the courts know that they have the right guy for a crime like this, fuckem.......put the fucker to sleep....for good. I don't need my tax dollars supporting this fucker.

    Also, I find it strange how many liberals are against capital punishment but yet still support abortion. Some of you people really make no sense.

    I have to say, I'm with MB on this one...(minus the liberal jab)

    I guess I'm a heartless bastard as I think there are some who crimes warrant the death penalty...
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    catefrances wrote:
    my punctuation??? please explain that one. the first five words of my question were.. where do we stand on... and my last four words were.. do they deserve life???? not dont they deserve life??? if your comprehension skills are lacking thats not my problem. all steve had to do is ask me but instead he asked an accusatory question and questioned my logic.

    easy, Cate, easy. But asking "do they deserve life?????" with that many question marks tells me that you are insinuating they DON'T deserve life. Again, I said I was glad we misread you. My comprehension skills are just fine, thanks.

    No need to get nasty about it. Jeez.
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  • catefrances
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    Johnny Sitar wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    my punctuation??? please explain that one. the first five words of my question were.. where do we stand on... and my last four words were.. do they deserve life???? not dont they deserve life??? if your comprehension skills are lacking thats not my problem. all steve had to do is ask me but instead he asked an accusatory question and questioned my logic.

    easy, Cate, easy. But asking "do they deserve life?????" with that many question marks tells me that you are insinuating they DON'T deserve life. Again, I said I was glad we misread you. My comprehension skills are just fine, thanks.

    No need to get nasty about it. Jeez.

    this is not me nasty. trust me on that. and i use multiple question marks cause one gets lonely. its a quirk thats all.
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