The Death Penalty

Hugh Freaking Dillon

catefrances wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

as i said steve.. that was your assumption. you didnt ask for clarification, you just jumped in.

O.k. So then clarify away.

:roll:

im against the death penalty. happy?


do you play poker steve??

sorry, CF, but I'd have to say it was a pretty fair assumption based on your post. Good to know we were incorrect!

dimitrispearljam

know1 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

I'm completely against the death penalty,no matter the crime is..

Me too.

There is not one good reason for it and I don't think it's a good thing that people get satisfaction in revenge killings.

25th of August 1972.was the last one in Greece..im happy i was born 7 days later and we done with this shit in my country before i was born

catefrances

Johnny Sitar wrote:

catefrances wrote:

:roll:

im against the death penalty. happy?


do you play poker steve??

sorry, CF, but I'd have to say it was a pretty fair assumption based on your post. Good to know we were incorrect!

no it wasnt a fair assumption. and sincerely i dont care that you were all shown to be as narrow minded as you were. all i did was ask a question, the assumption was steves and apparently yours as it turns out. it never occurred to you that i was playing devils advocate. and it because of that that you will continue to underestimate any debater that doesnt somehow fit your preconcieved paradigm. steve was reactive and that was his mistake.

Godfather.

catefrances wrote:

where do we stand on despicable human beings who indiscriminantly torture, murder and dismember people and then drop the body parts into barrrels of acid?? do they deserve life??

now there's a double edge sward; "don't kill the killer's" but "kill the killer's executioner's ?"

Godfather.

TriumphantAngel

dimitrispearljam wrote:

25th of August 1972.was the last one in Greece..im happy i was born 7 days later and we done with this shit in my country before i was born

Feb 3rd, 1967 was the last judical killing in the motherland.

and they've made sure it can never be reintroduced. ever. a month or so ago they passed the Crimes Legislation Amendment (Torture Prohibition and Death Penalty Abolition) Bill 2009. in simple terms, it means that no state in Australia can ever reinstate the death penalty for any crime.

catefrances

Godfather. wrote:

catefrances wrote:

where do we stand on despicable human beings who indiscriminantly torture, murder and dismember people and then drop the body parts into barrrels of acid?? do they deserve life??

now there's a double edge sward; "don't kill the killer's" but "kill the killer's executioner's ?"

Godfather.

howso?>? who exactly is advocating murder here and against whom??

Godfather.

catefrances wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

catefrances wrote:

where do we stand on despicable human beings who indiscriminantly torture, murder and dismember people and then drop the body parts into barrrels of acid?? do they deserve life??

now there's a double edge sward; "don't kill the killer's" but "kill the killer's executioner's ?"

Godfather.

howso?>? who exactly is advocating murder here and against whom??

sorry Cate I didn't mean to insinuate that you were advocating murder at all, I was just thinking a few thing's when I read your post,for one if somebody where to take my family from me in that way I would want an eye for an eye and what do we do with the Hitler's and Jeffery Domers of the world ?
I don't under normal circumstances believe taking a life is my call or place but honestly don't know how I would react if someone were to take a loved one from me.

Godfather.

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

catefrances wrote:

where do we stand on despicable human beings who indiscriminantly torture, murder and dismember people and then drop the body parts into barrrels of acid?? do they deserve life??

now there's a double edge sward; "don't kill the killer's" but "kill the killer's executioner's ?"

Godfather.

howso?>? who exactly is advocating murder here and against whom??

You apparently. Seems you're the only one who doesn't think so. Must just be down to everyone else on this message board being narrow minded and presumptuous, right?

he still stands

here is a good parody of the concept of the death penalty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_hlMK7tCks

rebornFixer

Byrnzie wrote:

You apparently. Seems you're the only one who doesn't think so. Must just be down to everyone else on this message board being narrow minded and presumptuous, right?

In all honesty, I did not take her comment as pro-death penalty at all. It could be taken that way, or it could be taken as an attempt to explore the complexities of the topic. For instance, I have noticed that you seem quite anti-death penalty but that you also think that violence by Palestinians against Israelis might be justified in some cases (or, at least, that such violence is excusable). I could be really reactive and call you a hypocrite, or I could ask you to clarify.

mikepegg44

Unfortunately, in states where the death penalty is used they haven't found a way to ensure that only guilty people are sentenced to death. Because of that it should not be used, not because it is barbaric or only for revenge.

If you don't like the death penalty move to a state where they don't use it. If that isn't an option fight it in the right way. Politically make a smart case, I can tell you that saying it is barbaric or comparing us to Iran and China is not the way to go about it. Talking about the finite nature of it and that one innocent person is one too many is a much better way to make your case without the opposing view points shutting down.

One inncocent man's life is worth an infinite amount more than all those scumbags who murdered someone else and because of that all those scumbags should be forced to live in prison, not nice prison, but like midnight express prison. But that is just me, as I have grown older I have less and less tolerance for people who can't live by the god damn rules.

know1

Is one person's life really worth more than someone else's?

I personally do not think that it is.

dimitrispearljam

TriumphantAngel wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

25th of August 1972.was the last one in Greece..im happy i was born 7 days later and we done with this shit in my country before i was born

Feb 3rd, 1967 was the last judical killing in the motherland.

and they've made sure it can never be reintroduced. ever. a month or so ago they passed the Crimes Legislation Amendment (Torture Prohibition and Death Penalty Abolition) Bill 2009. in simple terms, it means that no state in Australia can ever reinstate the death penalty for any crime.

and the crazy here that the goverment stop the death penalty in Greece was a dictatorship goverment
that make it more strong i guess

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

catefrances wrote:

howso?>? who exactly is advocating murder here and against whom??

You apparently. Seems you're the only one who doesn't think so. Must just be down to everyone else on this message board being narrow minded and presumptuous, right?

come on steve now youre just pissed at me. dont presume to know what im thinking. and yes when you zone in on one incorrect assumption you are indeed narrow minded and presumptuous.
i asked the question not only to play devils advocate but because there are times when the death of a murderer seems like a fair trade. the fury i would feel if one of my children or my granddaughter was taken from me would be immense. and yes in the heat of the event i would want the murderer dead, i would want to exact the same amount of pain on him/her that was visited upon my family. but in their death they wouldnt feel that pain. and in the end i know vengeance isnt the answer.

rebornFixer

catefrances wrote:

i asked the question not only to play devils advocate but because there are times when the death of a murderer seems like a fair trade. the fury i would feel if one of my children or my granddaughter was taken from me would be immense. and yes in the heat of the event i would want the murderer dead, i would want to exact the same amount of pain on him/her that was visited upon my family. but in the end i know vengeance isnt the answer.

This pretty much sums up how I feel. I can only guess at what I'd want to see happen to someone who killed a loved one, even though its easy for me to sit here now and say that killing is 100% wrong. If you ask me on the average day, I am anti-capital punishment, for moral and pragmatic reasons (e.g., deterrance does not work in this case). People I personally know and love have lost loved ones of their own to violence, and that makes me angry enough, nevermind how I'd feel if violent crime struck even closer to home.

OnTheEdge

I think it's pretty easy to sit here and say you're all against it. I wonder how many would feel differently if say maybe, your young daughter was raped and murdered by some psycho. I think if someone can be accused through DNA evidence so the courts know that they have the right guy for a crime like this, fuckem.......put the fucker to sleep....for good. I don't need my tax dollars supporting this fucker.

Also, I find it strange how many liberals are against capital punishment but yet still support abortion. Some of you people really make no sense.

Byrnzie

rebornFixer wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

You apparently. Seems you're the only one who doesn't think so. Must just be down to everyone else on this message board being narrow minded and presumptuous, right?

In all honesty, I did not take her comment as pro-death penalty at all. It could be taken that way, or it could be taken as an attempt to explore the complexities of the topic. For instance, I have noticed that you seem quite anti-death penalty but that you also think that violence by Palestinians against Israelis might be justified in some cases (or, at least, that such violence is excusable). I could be really reactive and call you a hypocrite, or I could ask you to clarify.

O.k, so everyone except you.

As for violent resistance against occupation and the death penalty, maybe you can explain to me how they are the same thing?

TriumphantAngel

mb262200 wrote:

I think it's pretty easy to sit here and say you're all against it. I wonder how many would feel differently if say maybe, your young daughter was raped and murdered by some psycho. I think if someone can be accused through DNA evidence so the courts know that they have the right guy for a crime like this, fuckem.......put the fucker to sleep....for good. I don't need my tax dollars supporting this fucker.

Also, I find it strange how many liberals are against capital punishment but yet still support abortion. Some of you people really make no sense.

if i say i'm completely against the death penalty under any circumstances, then i'm against against it. no ifs, buts or maybes.

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

dont presume to know what im thinking. and yes when you zone in on one incorrect assumption you are indeed narrow minded and presumptuous.

Considering your post I made a perfectly reasonable assumption. The fact that you then chose to do an about face and claim you were playing devils advocate doesn't then render me narrow minded and presumptuous.
If you have a problem with people presuming to know what you're thinking then maybe you should be a bit clearer from the start instead of playing games and then getting pissy when you don't like the response.

OnTheEdge

TriumphantAngel wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

I think it's pretty easy to sit here and say you're all against it. I wonder how many would feel differently if say maybe, your young daughter was raped and murdered by some psycho. I think if someone can be accused through DNA evidence so the courts know that they have the right guy for a crime like this, fuckem.......put the fucker to sleep....for good. I don't need my tax dollars supporting this fucker.

Also, I find it strange how many liberals are against capital punishment but yet still support abortion. Some of you people really make no sense.

if i say i'm completely against the death penalty under any circumstances, then i'm against against it. no ifs, buts or maybes.

And that's fine. If that is what you feel then that is what you feel. But if you had a daughter that was murdered violently and he was given the death sentence, would you fight to keep him alive? Just wondering.