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several people have been shot over the last few years over road rage, a few over parking spots as well.**CUBS GO ALL THE WAY IN......never **0
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Cosmo wrote:...
It is funny how people will come up with the most unrealistic, ideal situations to justify their point. Oh... and you notice... he always has his family with him?
"If you have a family and someone was about to shoot your kids...you tell me if you had a gun you would not shoot first?"
Like, did the guy walk up to you and point a gun in your face... while you had a gun pointed at him? Or did the guy give you the chance to pull your weapon so it'd be an even fight?
Or... what if the person who was going to shoot your kid was a classmate of his? Shouldn't you pack a 9mm in your kid's lunch... next to the 'Munchables' and juice box?
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And like I said, before... I do not care if a faceless avatar on a rock band's web forum thinks I'm a coward. I just know that I will not break one of basic laws that governs mankind... 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'. This... coming from someone who is not religious... and basically scorns religion.
What does that tell you about me.... and the faceless avatar on a rock band's web forum?
Coward? I don't care.
People talk so much about needing guns to protect their families but so easily ignore that it's usually probably more likely that their kids will be killed by their gun than protected by it.
I used to own a gun. (I'm not "anti-gun" or "afraid of guns".) As a single woman (and a TV consumer), I had a fear of someone breaking into my house & harming me. I kept it loaded & next to my bed so it would be accessable in such a situation. (My roommates & I were all single college students, so it's not like there were ever any kids in the house.) But one day I realized that, like you, I don't want to kill anyone. Period.
Also, I got home from work one day & one of my roommates told me that he not only had a young daughter I never knew about, but that she had come to visit and he had let her play in my room!! :shock:
Anyway, with regard to cowards... it's been my experience that the tough guys, the ones who are a bit too confident in their ability to "defend" themselves, are the ones who are less safe to be with. They are usually more likely to let a situation escalate to the point of violence.0 -
Cosmo wrote:aerial wrote:Carrying a gun is not paranoid....unless wearing a seat belt, locking your doors, or even teaching your kids not to talk to strangers can be called paranoid, Right?
If you have a family and someone was about to shoot your kids...you tell me if you had a gun you would not shoot first?....your gonna talk reason to a crazy person.....I’d say that would be the dumbest thing to do if not the most coward way to handle that situation.....
It is funny how people will come up with the most unrealistic, ideal situations to justify their point. Oh... and you notice... he always has his family with him?
"If you have a family and someone was about to shoot your kids...you tell me if you had a gun you would not shoot first?"
Like, did the guy walk up to you and point a gun in your face... while you had a gun pointed at him? Or did the guy give you the chance to pull your weapon so it'd be an even fight?
Or... what if the person who was going to shoot your kid was a classmate of his? Shouldn't you pack a 9mm in your kid's lunch... next to the 'Munchables' and juice box?
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And like I said, before... I do not care if a faceless avatar on a rock band's web forum thinks I'm a coward. I just know that I will not break one of basic laws that governs mankind... 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'. This... coming from someone who is not religious... and basically scorns religion.
What does that tell you about me.... and the faceless avatar on a rock band's web forum?
Coward? I don't care.
Are you talking about me when you say faceless avatar? Because I did not call you a coward. With that said I want to clarify, it's starting to sound like every time I leave the house I tuck a gun in the waist of my jeans. My gun rarely ever leaves the house.
When I was in 5th grade I had(still have) a best friend Mark.He has an older brother Eric and a younger brother Matt. They all slept in the same room with three beds lined up next to each other. One morning Matt was at the breakfast table and asked his mother why she kept pulling the sheets off him last night. She told him he was dreaming. It was the next night, when Eric woke up and a guy was squatted down next to his brothers bed, when he sat up in bed the guy ran out the room, down the stairs, straight out the front door.He went into his mothers room to tell her and she again told him he was dreaming and then heard him walking on the roof. He came right back. So they hollered at him and called the police. He actually climbed up on the little roof above the outside door and pride the window open with a screwdriver.
Now, three days later. I awoke in the middle of the night and there is a man kneeling down next to my bed. He does not know I can see him and he keeps reaching up and scratching the top of my head really hard. I can remember very vividly how paralyzed I was, like I couldn't breath. My heart iis pounding right now just talking about. Anyways, I built up the courage, counted to three inside my head, and screamed as loud as I could.That guy was out my window in about 2 seconds flat and the police caught him a day later.We both lived in nice neighborhoods.
There are crazy fucking people in this world. I will admit, I have somewhat of a phobia about someone coming in my house at night and taking my daughter to the point where I don't sleep much at night sometimes. If anyone comes in my house in the middle of the night to mess with my daughter they are going to get shot. It's not being a hero, it's not being a tough guy or anything like that, it's plain fucking reality.
Also, my girlfriend had a stalker for three years at one time. It ended about four years ago. I would be out of town and she would see him sneaking around the house at night. He was also getting into my house and stealing panties and fixing the blinds so he could look through them from the outside. You don't know what it's like to have the feeling of safety taken away from your house.0 -
thats a good post MB, it gives me some insights into your position on the issue..but when i was 12 years old one of my best friends took his friend's gun and shot himself in the head and committed suicide. it really fucked me up for a long time. i still have issues with it today. that might explain my anti gun stance...i did a really long post about Matt a couple of years ago on the old board. It was the first and only time i ever talked about it outside of my family and friends who knew him...i will see if i can find it and post it in this thread. due to some other issues and events going on in my life i am in no proper frame of mind to recount the whole story right now. if i can't find it i will just leave it at my friend killed himself when i was 12 and i have been against guns since...Post edited by gimmesometruth27 on"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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found it, buddah bless the search user posts feature...it was posted in the "suicide"thread in march 2008 and its more about suicide than guns, but it explains how i feel about guns and how one simple act can affect many lives for many years to come...
by gimmesometruth27 » 29 Feb 2008 20:13
i am so sorry to read the stories posted in this thread. i will share my story of suicide because i think i need to get it off my chest.
one of my very good friends committed suicide when i was 12. his name was Matt and he was 14 at the time. he was a year ahead of me in school and he was really outgoing, the life of the party, and a really popular kid. he was a skater and wore a really cool mohawk, which you did not see too often in middle school. he got into his fair share of trouble at school, mainly for acting out but nothing too serious. mainly just the smartass kid who would get on the teacher's nerves.
we used to ride the bus together and after school in the spring we would all meet up at the neighborhood catholic church after school and play football, baseball, or roller hockey depending on the weather. fall it was baseball or football, rain it was football for sure, winter it was always roller hockey. the church always had the best fields for sports and parking lots for hockey so we always went there. his mom was devoutly catholic and was at the church every night for various reasons, she was involved with the youth group, was a reader, was one of those people that either sang and led the chorus at mass or helped administer communion. she was a really good woman. his father was kind of a jerk. he was really hard on Matt. anything he did was never good enough to meet, let alone exceed his father's standards. he never talked to any of us kids and i don't remember ever seeing him at the church. we heard rumors that his dad used to beat him, but we never noticed any outward signs of abuse. Matt always denied everything and since he was older, his word meant alot to me. besides, all of our group had gotten spanked by our parents before so we thought it was normal. we were so young.
one day Matt organized everyone to go up to the church and play football after school. the last thing he ever said to me was "bring your ball and i'll see ya at the field" as he was getting off the bus. it was a Wednesday and it was a really nice day, one of the first warm days in march. i remember it like it was yesterday. only Matt never showed up. it was weird because he was always the first one there and the last one to leave and we never knew why. now that i am older i realize that he never wanted to be at home. so around 5:00 or so we saw Matt's mom's car leave the parking lot and we never thought much of it. we had heard some sirens and emergency vehicles go by a little before that, but that happend all the time on the busy street the church was on. it got dark so we went home for the night. i went to the ice rink for hockey practice an hour or so later and i got home about 9:00. i remember i set my bag down and the phone rang. my dad answered and it was my friend Tina who lived down the street from Matt. She told him to tell me that something had happened to Matt, he had shot himself and he was dead.
my dad hung up the phone and i will never forget the look on his face. it was like one of those "How the fuck am I supposed to explain this to my son??" kind of looks. he told me to sit down and he sat down next to me and told me "son," which i thought was funny because he never ever once called me "son" before that or since then......"son, i don't know how to tell you this, so i am just going to say it. Tina just called and wanted me to tell you that Bruno's dead. He shot himself this afternoon....I am so sorry...." years later my dad said that moment was the most difficult moment of his life as a father.
i didn't know what to do or what to think. i was only 12, i had no idea how to fathom what had happened. he was the first one of my friends that died. i had been to funerals for old people before that time, but nothing like this. our school was devestated. we had grief counselors there for several days i remember. the day after Matt's death many kids did not go to school. there were fears of copy-cat suicides and my parents made me go to school because they did not want me staying at home alone in my very depressed state. the thing that still messes with me to this day was we heard and saw the ambulance and police cars go by and we saw his mom drive off to his house once someone called the church to tell her what had happened. weeks later we found out that a kid on our bus who was 11 gave him the gun. Matt had asked to borrow it a few days before so he could go in the woods behind his house and hunt squirrels.
school was never the same after that. it took me a long time to be able to walk past his house after that. i remember crying for months when i would see his house or hear a song by The Cure, which was his favorite band. we never played football after school again, and if we did try to play baseball or hockey it was never the same. i should have seen it coming because he tried to give me his skateboard a few weeks before saying he was getting a new one and that he didn't need it. i didn't take it because i was not much of a skater. i found out he tried to give another friend his prized remote controlled car because he was "getting a new one".
looking back, i see that the warning signs were there and i have lived with the guilt for all of these years. none of us knew how bad it was at home for Matt because he never talked about it. none of us were ever invited over there when his dad was home. some time later the parents divorced. i guess they were too devestated to go on together. i remember seeing the mom at church and she was like a different person. she seemed to age 20 years seemingly overnight. she was just totally heartbroken for years.
i sometimes think of all of the things Matt never got to do that all of us have managed to experience. he never got to go to high school, never got to go to college, never got to go to a concert, never got to have sex, never got to get drunk or high, never got to drive a car, never bought a house or did anything that adults do in their daily life. and he never got old.
i do know that our collective childhoods were forever changed after that. our innocence was lost in that one day. we were naieve to think "people our age don't kill themselves, they die in accidents or due to illness". but we realized that suicide was for real, and it happens more often than we ever dared to imagine.
jesus, i just realized it will be 20 years next month. i am sorry to ramble in this post but i have never written about Matt. i just started to write a little blurb about him and it just kept pouring out of me. we still talk about him at times but its always with a sad tone. i really miss him, especially right now. every time i hear The Cure, or the song "there is a light that never goes out" by Morrissey i think of him.
my deepest sympathies go out to everyone else who has experienced the loss of a loved one to suicide."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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unsung wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:unsung wrote:Another obvious kneejerk reaction; assign blame to the gun.
i am sure nothing would have happened if the kid went up to the other one and just yelled "BANG BANG!!!!!!!".....
A knife would have done the same thing, so would a bat, so would countless other items. The point is a gun is merely a tool. The person is a murderer. The person is at fault, not the gun.
Gun bans don't work, not to mention they are unconstitutional. Should a student have a gun is not the question, he should not have had it in school. The article doesn't mention the specific gun either so I cannot comment on if he legally owned it.
People need to stop using tragic situations to promote their political agendas.
problem is, this actually IS the perfect time to bring this issue to light. To me, the right to live is not a political agenda. it's just common sense.
And to mb (I think it was) who was mentioning the stalker problems and such, and I can't imagine what that would be like. I really can't. But what would you say about it if you accidentally shot someone you loved trying to protect them? I know, that's an awful hypothetical, and I'm sorry to say it, but it's something that needs consideration, because it does happen. And I can't imagine living with harming one of my loved ones trying to protect them.
Guns don't allow for man's weak responsive system. People die before we are able to think properly.
A gun is used for an action that I'm not willing to risk being wrong about.Gimli 1993
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These recent posts confirm what I have always believed: guns do not belong in the hands of those with poor impulse control which includes children and teenagers. I also think we need to find out ways to keep guns out of schools, even if that means having metal detectors at the doors. Kids are required to go to school in the US, even if their school is an unsafe one. Children and their parents should be able to trust that once their kids walk through the school door, they won't get shot by someone in the building!!! Even if you disagree on adults' access to guns, surely we can all agree on that, right?It's nice to be nice to the nice.0
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dasvidana wrote:These recent posts confirm what I have always believed: guns do not belong in the hands of those with poor impulse control which includes children and teenagers. I also think we need to find out ways to keep guns out of schools, even if that means having metal detectors at the doors. Kids are required to go to school in the US, even if their school is an unsafe one. Children and their parents should be able to trust that once their kids walk through the school door, they won't get shot by someone in the building!!! Even if you disagree on adults' access to guns, surely we can all agree on that, right?
absolutely.Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 20140 -
if a bad guy knows you have a gun believe me he is LESS likely to attack you.
I grew up with gun's my father and I did a lot of hunting, when I was 16 I was home alone
one summer while my family was in Chicago for a family reunion and then about 3:00am I could hear
somebody up stares walking from room to room so grabbed my 30-30 and put 3 rounds in it then I could hear them on
the wood deck around back so I walked out to the side of the house and saw them then I pointed the rifle at one of them them and pulled the hammer back and 3:00 in the morning they heard that hammer pull back just fine, to me they were older guys about 20-25 or so and it was the first time I saw a grown man cry and piss his pants. point is guns save lives too.
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Godfather. wrote:if a bad guy knows you have a gun believe me he is LESS likely to attack you.
I grew up with gun's my father and I did a lot of hunting, when I was 16 I was home alone
one summer while my family was in Chicago for a family reunion and then about 3:00am I could hear
somebody up stares walking from room to room so grabbed my 30-30 and put 3 rounds in it then I could hear them on
the wood deck around back so I walked out to the side of the house and saw them then I pointed the rifle at one of them them and pulled the hammer back and 3:00 in the morning they heard that hammer pull back just fine, to me they were older guys about 20-25 or so and it was the first time I saw a grown man cry and piss his pants. point is guns save lives too.
Godfather.
yes, they do. but is that worth all the lives they take?Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 20140 -
Johnny Sitar wrote:Godfather. wrote:if a bad guy knows you have a gun believe me he is LESS likely to attack you.
I grew up with gun's my father and I did a lot of hunting, when I was 16 I was home alone
one summer while my family was in Chicago for a family reunion and then about 3:00am I could hear
somebody up stares walking from room to room so grabbed my 30-30 and put 3 rounds in it then I could hear them on
the wood deck around back so I walked out to the side of the house and saw them then I pointed the rifle at one of them them and pulled the hammer back and 3:00 in the morning they heard that hammer pull back just fine, to me they were older guys about 20-25 or so and it was the first time I saw a grown man cry and piss his pants. point is guns save lives too.
Godfather.
yes, they do. but is that worth all the lives they take?
if I had to use a gun today to save my family (wife and Son) yes.
I understand what your saying but taking guns away from good people will not fix the problems like
the ones in this school,it's like the old saying go's if we outlaw gun's then only outlaws will have guns.
if guns are outlawed then the problems will only get worse with crime IMO, home invasions would probably
increase, the first thing on a bad guys mind is "dose my next victim have a gun ?" also what about the drug
dealers and bank robbers, I promise you they will not give up their gun's.
it's a ugly sticky situation and I think only stiffer penalties will slow it down to a some what safer place.
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btw crime will never go away guns or not and the best we can do is keep it out of our homes and our family's and loved ones safe.
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Godfather. wrote:Johnny Sitar wrote:Godfather. wrote:if a bad guy knows you have a gun believe me he is LESS likely to attack you.
I grew up with gun's my father and I did a lot of hunting, when I was 16 I was home alone
one summer while my family was in Chicago for a family reunion and then about 3:00am I could hear
somebody up stares walking from room to room so grabbed my 30-30 and put 3 rounds in it then I could hear them on
the wood deck around back so I walked out to the side of the house and saw them then I pointed the rifle at one of them them and pulled the hammer back and 3:00 in the morning they heard that hammer pull back just fine, to me they were older guys about 20-25 or so and it was the first time I saw a grown man cry and piss his pants. point is guns save lives too.
Godfather.
yes, they do. but is that worth all the lives they take?
if I had to use a gun today to save my family (wife and Son) yes.
I understand what your saying but taking guns away from good people will not fix the problems like
the ones in this school,it's like the old saying go's if we outlaw gun's then only outlaws will have guns.
if guns are outlawed then the problems will only get worse with crime IMO, home invasions would probably
increase, the first thing on a bad guys mind is "dose my next victim have a gun ?" also what about the drug
dealers and bank robbers, I promise you they will not give up their gun's.
it's a ugly sticky situation and I think only stiffer penalties will slow it down to a some what safer place.
Godfather.
I will never say that guns need to be outlawed, because that's not the answer. (I rather wish they had never been invented, but I digress). I agree with that. But there needs to be stiffer penalties and better regulation, if that's possible.Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 20140 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:found it, buddah bless the search user posts feature...it was posted in the "suicide"thread in march 2008 and its more about suicide than guns, but it explains how i feel about guns and how one simple act can affect many lives for many years to come...
by gimmesometruth27 » 29 Feb 2008 20:13
i am so sorry to read the stories posted in this thread. i will share my story of suicide because i think i need to get it off my chest.
one of my very good friends committed suicide when i was 12. his name was Matt and he was 14 at the time. he was a year ahead of me in school and he was really outgoing, the life of the party, and a really popular kid. he was a skater and wore a really cool mohawk, which you did not see too often in middle school. he got into his fair share of trouble at school, mainly for acting out but nothing too serious. mainly just the smartass kid who would get on the teacher's nerves.
we used to ride the bus together and after school in the spring we would all meet up at the neighborhood catholic church after school and play football, baseball, or roller hockey depending on the weather. fall it was baseball or football, rain it was football for sure, winter it was always roller hockey. the church always had the best fields for sports and parking lots for hockey so we always went there. his mom was devoutly catholic and was at the church every night for various reasons, she was involved with the youth group, was a reader, was one of those people that either sang and led the chorus at mass or helped administer communion. she was a really good woman. his father was kind of a jerk. he was really hard on Matt. anything he did was never good enough to meet, let alone exceed his father's standards. he never talked to any of us kids and i don't remember ever seeing him at the church. we heard rumors that his dad used to beat him, but we never noticed any outward signs of abuse. Matt always denied everything and since he was older, his word meant alot to me. besides, all of our group had gotten spanked by our parents before so we thought it was normal. we were so young.
one day Matt organized everyone to go up to the church and play football after school. the last thing he ever said to me was "bring your ball and i'll see ya at the field" as he was getting off the bus. it was a Wednesday and it was a really nice day, one of the first warm days in march. i remember it like it was yesterday. only Matt never showed up. it was weird because he was always the first one there and the last one to leave and we never knew why. now that i am older i realize that he never wanted to be at home. so around 5:00 or so we saw Matt's mom's car leave the parking lot and we never thought much of it. we had heard some sirens and emergency vehicles go by a little before that, but that happend all the time on the busy street the church was on. it got dark so we went home for the night. i went to the ice rink for hockey practice an hour or so later and i got home about 9:00. i remember i set my bag down and the phone rang. my dad answered and it was my friend Tina who lived down the street from Matt. She told him to tell me that something had happened to Matt, he had shot himself and he was dead.
my dad hung up the phone and i will never forget the look on his face. it was like one of those "How the fuck am I supposed to explain this to my son??" kind of looks. he told me to sit down and he sat down next to me and told me "son," which i thought was funny because he never ever once called me "son" before that or since then......"son, i don't know how to tell you this, so i am just going to say it. Tina just called and wanted me to tell you that Bruno's dead. He shot himself this afternoon....I am so sorry...." years later my dad said that moment was the most difficult moment of his life as a father.
i didn't know what to do or what to think. i was only 12, i had no idea how to fathom what had happened. he was the first one of my friends that died. i had been to funerals for old people before that time, but nothing like this. our school was devestated. we had grief counselors there for several days i remember. the day after Matt's death many kids did not go to school. there were fears of copy-cat suicides and my parents made me go to school because they did not want me staying at home alone in my very depressed state. the thing that still messes with me to this day was we heard and saw the ambulance and police cars go by and we saw his mom drive off to his house once someone called the church to tell her what had happened. weeks later we found out that a kid on our bus who was 11 gave him the gun. Matt had asked to borrow it a few days before so he could go in the woods behind his house and hunt squirrels.
school was never the same after that. it took me a long time to be able to walk past his house after that. i remember crying for months when i would see his house or hear a song by The Cure, which was his favorite band. we never played football after school again, and if we did try to play baseball or hockey it was never the same. i should have seen it coming because he tried to give me his skateboard a few weeks before saying he was getting a new one and that he didn't need it. i didn't take it because i was not much of a skater. i found out he tried to give another friend his prized remote controlled car because he was "getting a new one".
looking back, i see that the warning signs were there and i have lived with the guilt for all of these years. none of us knew how bad it was at home for Matt because he never talked about it. none of us were ever invited over there when his dad was home. some time later the parents divorced. i guess they were too devestated to go on together. i remember seeing the mom at church and she was like a different person. she seemed to age 20 years seemingly overnight. she was just totally heartbroken for years.
i sometimes think of all of the things Matt never got to do that all of us have managed to experience. he never got to go to high school, never got to go to college, never got to go to a concert, never got to have sex, never got to get drunk or high, never got to drive a car, never bought a house or did anything that adults do in their daily life. and he never got old.
i do know that our collective childhoods were forever changed after that. our innocence was lost in that one day. we were naieve to think "people our age don't kill themselves, they die in accidents or due to illness". but we realized that suicide was for real, and it happens more often than we ever dared to imagine.
jesus, i just realized it will be 20 years next month. i am sorry to ramble in this post but i have never written about Matt. i just started to write a little blurb about him and it just kept pouring out of me. we still talk about him at times but its always with a sad tone. i really miss him, especially right now. every time i hear The Cure, or the song "there is a light that never goes out" by Morrissey i think of him.
my deepest sympathies go out to everyone else who has experienced the loss of a loved one to suicide.
That's deep. Good story. I can understand pshycologicaly why you wouldn't like guns. Rest in Peace to your friend Matt.0 -
mb262200 wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:found it, buddah bless the search user posts feature...it was posted in the "suicide"thread in march 2008 and its more about suicide than guns, but it explains how i feel about guns and how one simple act can affect many lives for many years to come...
by gimmesometruth27 » 29 Feb 2008 20:13
i am so sorry to read the stories posted in this thread. i will share my story of suicide because i think i need to get it off my chest.
one of my very good friends committed suicide when i was 12. his name was Matt and he was 14 at the time. he was a year ahead of me in school and he was really outgoing, the life of the party, and a really popular kid. he was a skater and wore a really cool mohawk, which you did not see too often in middle school. he got into his fair share of trouble at school, mainly for acting out but nothing too serious. mainly just the smartass kid who would get on the teacher's nerves.
we used to ride the bus together and after school in the spring we would all meet up at the neighborhood catholic church after school and play football, baseball, or roller hockey depending on the weather. fall it was baseball or football, rain it was football for sure, winter it was always roller hockey. the church always had the best fields for sports and parking lots for hockey so we always went there. his mom was devoutly catholic and was at the church every night for various reasons, she was involved with the youth group, was a reader, was one of those people that either sang and led the chorus at mass or helped administer communion. she was a really good woman. his father was kind of a jerk. he was really hard on Matt. anything he did was never good enough to meet, let alone exceed his father's standards. he never talked to any of us kids and i don't remember ever seeing him at the church. we heard rumors that his dad used to beat him, but we never noticed any outward signs of abuse. Matt always denied everything and since he was older, his word meant alot to me. besides, all of our group had gotten spanked by our parents before so we thought it was normal. we were so young.
one day Matt organized everyone to go up to the church and play football after school. the last thing he ever said to me was "bring your ball and i'll see ya at the field" as he was getting off the bus. it was a Wednesday and it was a really nice day, one of the first warm days in march. i remember it like it was yesterday. only Matt never showed up. it was weird because he was always the first one there and the last one to leave and we never knew why. now that i am older i realize that he never wanted to be at home. so around 5:00 or so we saw Matt's mom's car leave the parking lot and we never thought much of it. we had heard some sirens and emergency vehicles go by a little before that, but that happend all the time on the busy street the church was on. it got dark so we went home for the night. i went to the ice rink for hockey practice an hour or so later and i got home about 9:00. i remember i set my bag down and the phone rang. my dad answered and it was my friend Tina who lived down the street from Matt. She told him to tell me that something had happened to Matt, he had shot himself and he was dead.
my dad hung up the phone and i will never forget the look on his face. it was like one of those "How the fuck am I supposed to explain this to my son??" kind of looks. he told me to sit down and he sat down next to me and told me "son," which i thought was funny because he never ever once called me "son" before that or since then......"son, i don't know how to tell you this, so i am just going to say it. Tina just called and wanted me to tell you that Bruno's dead. He shot himself this afternoon....I am so sorry...." years later my dad said that moment was the most difficult moment of his life as a father.
i didn't know what to do or what to think. i was only 12, i had no idea how to fathom what had happened. he was the first one of my friends that died. i had been to funerals for old people before that time, but nothing like this. our school was devestated. we had grief counselors there for several days i remember. the day after Matt's death many kids did not go to school. there were fears of copy-cat suicides and my parents made me go to school because they did not want me staying at home alone in my very depressed state. the thing that still messes with me to this day was we heard and saw the ambulance and police cars go by and we saw his mom drive off to his house once someone called the church to tell her what had happened. weeks later we found out that a kid on our bus who was 11 gave him the gun. Matt had asked to borrow it a few days before so he could go in the woods behind his house and hunt squirrels.
school was never the same after that. it took me a long time to be able to walk past his house after that. i remember crying for months when i would see his house or hear a song by The Cure, which was his favorite band. we never played football after school again, and if we did try to play baseball or hockey it was never the same. i should have seen it coming because he tried to give me his skateboard a few weeks before saying he was getting a new one and that he didn't need it. i didn't take it because i was not much of a skater. i found out he tried to give another friend his prized remote controlled car because he was "getting a new one".
looking back, i see that the warning signs were there and i have lived with the guilt for all of these years. none of us knew how bad it was at home for Matt because he never talked about it. none of us were ever invited over there when his dad was home. some time later the parents divorced. i guess they were too devestated to go on together. i remember seeing the mom at church and she was like a different person. she seemed to age 20 years seemingly overnight. she was just totally heartbroken for years.
i sometimes think of all of the things Matt never got to do that all of us have managed to experience. he never got to go to high school, never got to go to college, never got to go to a concert, never got to have sex, never got to get drunk or high, never got to drive a car, never bought a house or did anything that adults do in their daily life. and he never got old.
i do know that our collective childhoods were forever changed after that. our innocence was lost in that one day. we were naieve to think "people our age don't kill themselves, they die in accidents or due to illness". but we realized that suicide was for real, and it happens more often than we ever dared to imagine.
jesus, i just realized it will be 20 years next month. i am sorry to ramble in this post but i have never written about Matt. i just started to write a little blurb about him and it just kept pouring out of me. we still talk about him at times but its always with a sad tone. i really miss him, especially right now. every time i hear The Cure, or the song "there is a light that never goes out" by Morrissey i think of him.
my deepest sympathies go out to everyone else who has experienced the loss of a loved one to suicide.
That's deep. Good story. I can understand pshycologicaly why you wouldn't like guns. Rest in Peace to your friend Matt."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:mb262200 wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:found it, buddah bless the search user posts feature...it was posted in the "suicide"thread in march 2008 and its more about suicide than guns, but it explains how i feel about guns and how one simple act can affect many lives for many years to come...
by gimmesometruth27 » 29 Feb 2008 20:13
i am so sorry to read the stories posted in this thread. i will share my story of suicide because i think i need to get it off my chest.
one of my very good friends committed suicide when i was 12. his name was Matt and he was 14 at the time. he was a year ahead of me in school and he was really outgoing, the life of the party, and a really popular kid. he was a skater and wore a really cool mohawk, which you did not see too often in middle school. he got into his fair share of trouble at school, mainly for acting out but nothing too serious. mainly just the smartass kid who would get on the teacher's nerves.
we used to ride the bus together and after school in the spring we would all meet up at the neighborhood catholic church after school and play football, baseball, or roller hockey depending on the weather. fall it was baseball or football, rain it was football for sure, winter it was always roller hockey. the church always had the best fields for sports and parking lots for hockey so we always went there. his mom was devoutly catholic and was at the church every night for various reasons, she was involved with the youth group, was a reader, was one of those people that either sang and led the chorus at mass or helped administer communion. she was a really good woman. his father was kind of a jerk. he was really hard on Matt. anything he did was never good enough to meet, let alone exceed his father's standards. he never talked to any of us kids and i don't remember ever seeing him at the church. we heard rumors that his dad used to beat him, but we never noticed any outward signs of abuse. Matt always denied everything and since he was older, his word meant alot to me. besides, all of our group had gotten spanked by our parents before so we thought it was normal. we were so young.
one day Matt organized everyone to go up to the church and play football after school. the last thing he ever said to me was "bring your ball and i'll see ya at the field" as he was getting off the bus. it was a Wednesday and it was a really nice day, one of the first warm days in march. i remember it like it was yesterday. only Matt never showed up. it was weird because he was always the first one there and the last one to leave and we never knew why. now that i am older i realize that he never wanted to be at home. so around 5:00 or so we saw Matt's mom's car leave the parking lot and we never thought much of it. we had heard some sirens and emergency vehicles go by a little before that, but that happend all the time on the busy street the church was on. it got dark so we went home for the night. i went to the ice rink for hockey practice an hour or so later and i got home about 9:00. i remember i set my bag down and the phone rang. my dad answered and it was my friend Tina who lived down the street from Matt. She told him to tell me that something had happened to Matt, he had shot himself and he was dead.
my dad hung up the phone and i will never forget the look on his face. it was like one of those "How the fuck am I supposed to explain this to my son??" kind of looks. he told me to sit down and he sat down next to me and told me "son," which i thought was funny because he never ever once called me "son" before that or since then......"son, i don't know how to tell you this, so i am just going to say it. Tina just called and wanted me to tell you that Bruno's dead. He shot himself this afternoon....I am so sorry...." years later my dad said that moment was the most difficult moment of his life as a father.
i didn't know what to do or what to think. i was only 12, i had no idea how to fathom what had happened. he was the first one of my friends that died. i had been to funerals for old people before that time, but nothing like this. our school was devestated. we had grief counselors there for several days i remember. the day after Matt's death many kids did not go to school. there were fears of copy-cat suicides and my parents made me go to school because they did not want me staying at home alone in my very depressed state. the thing that still messes with me to this day was we heard and saw the ambulance and police cars go by and we saw his mom drive off to his house once someone called the church to tell her what had happened. weeks later we found out that a kid on our bus who was 11 gave him the gun. Matt had asked to borrow it a few days before so he could go in the woods behind his house and hunt squirrels.
school was never the same after that. it took me a long time to be able to walk past his house after that. i remember crying for months when i would see his house or hear a song by The Cure, which was his favorite band. we never played football after school again, and if we did try to play baseball or hockey it was never the same. i should have seen it coming because he tried to give me his skateboard a few weeks before saying he was getting a new one and that he didn't need it. i didn't take it because i was not much of a skater. i found out he tried to give another friend his prized remote controlled car because he was "getting a new one".
looking back, i see that the warning signs were there and i have lived with the guilt for all of these years. none of us knew how bad it was at home for Matt because he never talked about it. none of us were ever invited over there when his dad was home. some time later the parents divorced. i guess they were too devestated to go on together. i remember seeing the mom at church and she was like a different person. she seemed to age 20 years seemingly overnight. she was just totally heartbroken for years.
i sometimes think of all of the things Matt never got to do that all of us have managed to experience. he never got to go to high school, never got to go to college, never got to go to a concert, never got to have sex, never got to get drunk or high, never got to drive a car, never bought a house or did anything that adults do in their daily life. and he never got old.
i do know that our collective childhoods were forever changed after that. our innocence was lost in that one day. we were naieve to think "people our age don't kill themselves, they die in accidents or due to illness". but we realized that suicide was for real, and it happens more often than we ever dared to imagine.
jesus, i just realized it will be 20 years next month. i am sorry to ramble in this post but i have never written about Matt. i just started to write a little blurb about him and it just kept pouring out of me. we still talk about him at times but its always with a sad tone. i really miss him, especially right now. every time i hear The Cure, or the song "there is a light that never goes out" by Morrissey i think of him.
my deepest sympathies go out to everyone else who has experienced the loss of a loved one to suicide.
That's deep. Good story. I can understand pshycologicaly why you wouldn't like guns. Rest in Peace to your friend Matt.
I was thinking about this story again and got to wondering,,,,,where did the 11 year old get the gun and was anything done about it? I feel like we need to enforce very strict laws to those that are responsible for giving guns to people that are not suppose to have them. Not enforce anything on the 11 year old, after all he was just a kid and probably didn't know any better,,,,but he got that gun from somewhere and something should have been done about that.0 -
mb262200 wrote:I was thinking about this story again and got to wondering,,,,,where did the 11 year old get the gun and was anything done about it? I feel like we need to enforce very strict laws to those that are responsible for giving guns to people that are not suppose to have them. Not enforce anything on the 11 year old, after all he was just a kid and probably didn't know any better,,,,but he got that gun from somewhere and something should have been done about that.
the 11 year old got it from his dads gun safe. the dad was in prison for something else and somehow the kid was able to get into the gun safe. i am not sure whatever happened to the kid's dad.. i was 12 and was only worried about losing my friend. we did not think about legal issues at that age."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:mb262200 wrote:I was thinking about this story again and got to wondering,,,,,where did the 11 year old get the gun and was anything done about it? I feel like we need to enforce very strict laws to those that are responsible for giving guns to people that are not suppose to have them. Not enforce anything on the 11 year old, after all he was just a kid and probably didn't know any better,,,,but he got that gun from somewhere and something should have been done about that.
the 11 year old got it from his dads gun safe. the dad was in prison for something else and somehow the kid was able to get into the gun safe. i am not sure whatever happened to the kid's dad.. i was 12 and was only worried about losing my friend. we did not think about legal issues at that age.
This is one of my concerns about the idea that guns locked in safes are no longer a threat. I think kids are usually better able to get into their parents' safes than the parents give them credit for.0 -
educate your kid's on gun safety when they are old enough to understand,till then keep them in a safe place
and locked up.
Godfather.0 -
I knew exactly where my Dad's guns were and where the ammunition was and how to use the guns.. probably from age 8 onwards. He had 2 shotguns, a 30/06 and a 22. Every kid that grows up on a farm probably knows where his dad's guns were located.
I also knew that they were dangerous and I was to only use them with his supervision. I never even thought about using those guns without his supervision.
Guns are and always will be a part of American life. Education and parental responsibility have to be the #1 priority.Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.0
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