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Serious question for those who carry guns: Do you also carry other life-saving devices like aspirin, CPR instructions, etc? If not, why not? Do you feel that you are more likely to be in a situation where you need a gun than a situation where you need some other life-saving device?

aerial wrote:

Carrying a gun is not paranoid....unless wearing a seat belt, locking your doors, or even teaching your kids not to talk to strangers can be called paranoid, Right?
If you have a family and someone was about to shoot your kids...you tell me if you had a gun you would not shoot first?....your gonna talk reason to a crazy person.....I’d say that would be the dumbest thing to do if not the most coward way to handle that situation.....
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Situation: I’m in a public eatery....in walks a crazy and starts shooting people randomly...I would rather have mb262200 by me than the coward that is gonna talk it over with the shooter!
So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..

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Regarding 'Carrying a Gun':
The paranoia I was referring to was the paranoia of 'the government' coming to your house to take your gun away from you. That is the basic scare tactic used by lobbist groups, such as the N.R.A., to garner support. No one is saying 'take away everyone's gun' and the government is not going to raid the homes of gunowners. Thinking they are... is paranoid.
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Regarding your 'Situation':
You are talking about a sociopath, an insane person that goes in a shoots up the place. Yeah, maybe that happens everyday where you live... but, not here in Los Angeles. I am talking about the car jacker, the armed robber the person looking for money. That is the type of situation I am more likely to confront than a Columbine event. I will not put up a fight against a gun... take my wallet... take my car... just take it and go away. To me, it is only stuff... that can be replaced.
And what if you happen to be down range for MB26200's weapon? As he open's fire on that assailant, you'd better hope to God that he doesn't miss... fuck that responsible bullshit... he'd better be a marksman.
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And if you think I am a coward... I don't care. I just know that someone that uses a gun in order to take my wallet is a coward. Be a man and fight me over it with your fists, because in that case, I am not going to surrender it. My opinion is the coward hides behind the gun.
I beleive that if you think a gun gives you courage... you must either have a small brain or small penis... or both.

keeponrockin wrote:

scb wrote:

Serious question for those who carry guns: Do you also carry other life-saving devices like aspirin, CPR instructions, etc? If not, why not? Do you feel that you are more likely to be in a situation where you need a gun than a situation where you need some other life-saving device?

I never thought of that (I hate guns, but I like that angle).

I carry medical gloves in my truck along with a full first aid suitcase just in case I ever come across a medical situation. I think there's more of a chance of a medical situation on our highways and byways than one where's there's a need for a gun. Also if MB2622 is comfortable in carrying a gun and is so willing to use it to defend himself, has he trained with how to use weapon under those stressful situations he may come across? It's one thing to say you can defend yourself in using a gun but under the circumstances when it's used many people end up shooting the wrong person, misfire or shoot themselves.

Even though I was once trained in the military to shoot both M16, breakdown & rebuild an M60 machine gun, ranked #2 on my college school rifle team (shooting 22 smallbore), I've choosen not to own a gun at this time. I may in the future own a gun again but I would still want to be retrained, you can never get enough training on how to handle and shoot a gun, it is certainly NOT like how we see it in the movies.

Peace

Cosmo wrote:

aerial wrote:

Carrying a gun is not paranoid....unless wearing a seat belt, locking your doors, or even teaching your kids not to talk to strangers can be called paranoid, Right?
If you have a family and someone was about to shoot your kids...you tell me if you had a gun you would not shoot first?....your gonna talk reason to a crazy person.....I’d say that would be the dumbest thing to do if not the most coward way to handle that situation.....
...
Situation: I’m in a public eatery....in walks a crazy and starts shooting people randomly...I would rather have mb262200 by me than the coward that is gonna talk it over with the shooter!
So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..

...
Regarding 'Carrying a Gun':
The paranoia I was referring to was the paranoia of 'the government' coming to your house to take your gun away from you. That is the basic scare tactic used by lobbist groups, such as the N.R.A., to garner support. No one is saying 'take away everyone's gun' and the government is not going to raid the homes of gunowners. Thinking they are... is paranoid.
...
Regarding your 'Situation':
You are talking about a sociopath, an insane person that goes in a shoots up the place. Yeah, maybe that happens everyday where you live... but, not here in Los Angeles. I am talking about the car jacker, the armed robber the person looking for money. That is the type of situation I am more likely to confront than a Columbine event. I will not put up a fight against a gun... take my wallet... take my car... just take it and go away. To me, it is only stuff... that can be replaced.
And what if you happen to be down range for MB26200's weapon? As he open's fire on that assailant, you'd better hope to God that he doesn't miss... fuck that responsible bullshit... he'd better be a marksman.
...
And if you think I am a coward... I don't care. I just know that someone that uses a gun in order to take my wallet is a coward. Be a man and fight me over it with your fists, because in that case, I am not going to surrender it. My opinion is the coward hides behind the gun.
I beleive that if you think a gun gives you courage... you must either have a small brain or penis... or both.

You've hit the nail on the head right there, that's about what it comes down to.

Peace

aerial wrote:

Carrying a gun is not paranoid....unless wearing a seat belt, locking your doors, or even teaching your kids not to talk to strangers can be called paranoid, Right?
If you have a family and someone was about to shoot your kids...you tell me if you had a gun you would not shoot first?....your gonna talk reason to a crazy person.....I’d say that would be the dumbest thing to do if not the most coward way to handle that situation.....

Situation: I’m in a public eatery....in walks a crazy and starts shooting people randomly...I would rather have mb262200 by me than the coward that is gonna talk it over with the shooter!
So in short I feel safe when responsible people have guns..

Your example situation makes no sense to me because if you have children and you are at home that means you have a loaded gun on you or around and within reach of your children. For this situation to even come to pass you would have to constantly be on watch to protect them from getting their hands on your gun before a potential intruder. I betcha that the chances of your kids getting their hands on that gun are going to be higher than a need to shoot a potential intruder who may harm your kids. You're telling you would want a situation like that, you want to live like that well if you do THAT's living a life of PARANOIA.

Peace

I have not read this thread, I can not keep up with you guys but my thoughts

both guns and people kill each other, you can not have one without the other. Guns are dangerous, I live in Chicago and there are a lot of young people with guns killing each other this year, and it is not a coincidence that our hand gun ban was over turned and teen murder goes up.

however I have thought about getting gun before, I hate them and have never really used them..... and let me tell you why.....

I am in an interracial marriage and well to be frank, although this world has changed significantly, there is still a lot of hate out there and there are people that think that whites and blacks should not be together. We like to travel, go out on road trips, camping and such. There are times when we leave the city that we don't feel as safe. Is it the best protection, probably not, is there a chance that something hateful could happen to us, probably not.

Who knows :?

keeponrockin wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

And if you believe a Aerial does... next time you are at the mall... at the swap meet... at your Professional Wrestling event... look at all the people. Look at their faces, the way they are dressed, the way they are acting... everything about them.
Then, tell me you'd feel safer if 90% of them had a gun on them.

This is why I'm glad I'm growing up in a place without (lots of) guns. I live in Montreal, the second biggest city in Canada. I'm 18, I like to hang out in the bars (drinking age is 18 here). Yes, every once in a while some asshole gets to drunk and picks a fight with another guy. What's the worst that's happened? Some guy got his ass kicked. I feel much better knowing that's a possibility than some guy getting shot because some drunk guy was carrying a gun and a fight got carried away.

Besides, I feel much safer about letting my buddy get his ass kicked if he deserves it knowing there's pretty much no chance the other guy's carrying a gun:)

Ugh, yah, exactly.
bar fight = normal, maybe stupidity, but normal.
bar fight + gun = scary thought.

keeponrockin wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

And if you believe a Aerial does... next time you are at the mall... at the swap meet... at your Professional Wrestling event... look at all the people. Look at their faces, the way they are dressed, the way they are acting... everything about them.
Then, tell me you'd feel safer if 90% of them had a gun on them.

This is why I'm glad I'm growing up in a place without (lots of) guns. I live in Montreal, the second biggest city in Canada. I'm 18, I like to hang out in the bars (drinking age is 18 here). Yes, every once in a while some asshole gets to drunk and picks a fight with another guy. What's the worst that's happened? Some guy got his ass kicked. I feel much better knowing that's a possibility than some guy getting shot because some drunk guy was carrying a gun and a fight got carried away.

Besides, I feel much safer about letting my buddy get his ass kicked if he deserves it knowing there's pretty much no chance the other guy's carrying a gun:)

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I drive the freeways of Los Angeles all the time. I look around and thank God that most of those drivers do not have a gun on them. I know it's tough to feel safe on an L.A. Freeway... but, i'll tell you this... I feel a Hell of a lot safer knowing all those terrible drivers don't have guns in their hands.