Vedder on Cobain in 1994

Snoopy Died For Our Sins · November 2009

for some fame and adulation is hard...........no one stops you in your day-to-day ever, do they?

fame is nothing to want and most who "achieve" it find out the hardest way.........Kurt killed himself because there is a lot in this life that is not worth the struggle.....

there is a realness to that that many will never admit or even stop to recongnize.....but he did.........and I, for one, get it......

Thoughts_Arrive · November 2009

Can't believe some of the nasty comments here.
Nirvana were what the Ramones were to rock music in the mid-late 70's.
Sloppy, but passionate.

pdalowsky · November 2009

Kraven wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit! Top it all off he abandons his kid what a selfish low life!

Picture yourself as the biggest rock star of a generation, with the media hounding you all the time. How would you react? Would you be happy? On top of that you have a TERRIBLE case of scoliosis that fucks your stomach up, and makes you feel horrible, like no pain you have ever felt before. The only drug, or cure for the pain is heroin, which is basically morphine, wouldn't you take it too?

What happens when that pain goes away, when it is cured? You quit heroin, which Kurt Cobain did in 1993. What happens when you have a daughter and your wife is fucking crazy? You try to get a divorce which Kurt Cobain was going to do, before he "committed" suicide. Courtney Love was deathly afraid that he would leave her and with it his money.

Have you ever read Kurt Cobain's "suicide" note? Its not one, at all, its basically a retirement note, or a letter stating that Nirvana was over. The last part that makes it a suicide note is not even in the same handwriting as the first part. What does a man who doesn't want to be a spotlight do? Leaves it, by breaking up what was the biggest band in the world (at that point PJ was way bigger) Hence the reason Nirvana didn't take up the Lollapalooza gig that summer, which Courtney Love was pissed about. What do you do if you're a HUGE CUNT and grieving about your husband? Oh yeah push up the release date of your album so that it comes out in the middle of the media hoopla that was his death.

So before you go off spouting about shit you have NO FUCKING CLUE about, do some goddamn research.

To say Kurt Cobain was not musically talented or that Nirvana as a whole was not, is completely ignorant. Kurt Cobain's voice was fucking brilliant, listen to Where Did You Sleep Last Night? off of Nirvana Unplugged and if you don't get the chills or can't feel the depth of sadness in that man, you're deaf. There is no one with a more primal scream and no one with a voice like him, everyone has tried to imitate Eddie but where are the Kurt imitators? (No, I am not saying he has a better voice than Eddie, just more unique nowadays.)

Kurt Cobain could play the guitar and make noise come out of that thing like no one else, he wrote catchy rock, and stretched from Beatles-esque rock, to punk, to channeling even Sabbath. It also helps he was backed by one of the best rhythm sections in the game. Novoselic is no Entwistle or John Paul Jones, but dude knew how to play with Cobain and Grohl, and sure as hell kept it interesting. Lounge Act off Nevermind is an example of his excellence. Just because the dude isn't all over the fret board doesn't mean he isn't good. Do I need to even discuss Grohl? Breed off Nevermind, ANYTHING off of In Utero, especially Serve the Servants and Scentless Apprentice.

Of course what you say is all relevant and what not, but many people have troubles in there life, to shoot your head off is hardly the thing to do when you have a two year old child. No matter who your wife is. Seems odd in that from what you say he had left the band, he'd done the hard part, and he still ended it all.....

By all means this is all very tragic, and there is no need to be disrespectful to the dead, Kurts was obviously a troubled mind, and I dont think he owed his fans anything at all....but he owed that little girl much more. There can be no argument to counter that. Leaving a child without a father for me for many of the reasons above in this thread is unacceptable IMO. Thats just how I see it, right or wrong, and I do acknowledge I do not know the full story as none of us do.

But one thing is for sure, Nirvana were fucking brilliant. No question, and Cobain was brilliant at what he did. I find is bizarre that people can say he was shit. No way Nirvana were so relevant in the day and the fact they still are speaks volumes. In Nevermind and In Utero you have two very classic albums. Could Kurt sing? not strictly speaking but that doesnt mean he didnt have a great and unique voice, which i personally think he did.

It does trouble me somewhat however how people regard him as a hero still, musically maybe, but every other aspect of what we know of him was tragic beyond belief. A strange kind of hero for anyone.

DeLukin · November 2009

corduroykelly wrote:

What exactly is ignorant by what I said? Everything I said is true. Is there something I said that was wrong?

The guy was a JUNKIE. Do you know anything about addiction? I'm guessing you don't. Can you even fathom the despair and hopelessness someone has to feel to get to the point of suicide in spite of everything that is going right in their life? I think it's ignorant to pretend you do, and wrong for you to and spew that much hatred for someone you only know from press clippings. But hey, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Just like I'm entitled to mine...

pdalowsky · November 2009

DeLukin wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

What exactly is ignorant by what I said? Everything I said is true. Is there something I said that was wrong?

The guy was a JUNKIE. Do you know anything about addiction? I'm guessing you don't. Can you even fathom the despair and hopelessness someone has to feel to get to the point of suicide in spite of everything that is going right in their life? I think it's ignorant to pretend you do, and wrong for you to and spew that much hatred for someone you only know from press clippings. But hey, it's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. Just like I'm entitled to mine...

Its worth noting that junkies who are in despair and whom want to help themselves can find help....
just some junkies have no desire to get help

corduroykelly · November 2009

Evacuation Rules wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit! Top it all off he abandons his kid what a selfish low life!

That's a lame and ignorant thing to say. Use your brain, woman.

Again what am I saying that is ignorant? It is all true. I'll try sarcasm for you Kurt Cobain had such a rough life he had no money everyone hated him he also had no talent. He could never find a woman to love him or bare his child. What a rough life he had. How could he have gone on with all of his problems. LOL

Ledbetterman10 · November 2009

corduroykelly wrote:

Evacuation Rules wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit! Top it all off he abandons his kid what a selfish low life!

That's a lame and ignorant thing to say. Use your brain, woman.

Again what am I saying that is ignorant? It is all true. I'll try sarcasm for you Kurt Cobain had such a rough life he had no money everyone hated him he also had no talent. He could never find a woman to love him or bare his child. What a rough life he had. How could he have gone on with all of his problems. LOL

It's ignorant because it's like a mental disease to commit suicide. It's not just a "oh boo-hoo. My life sucks so I'm gonna kill myself" sort of thing.

corduroykelly · November 2009

Kraven wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit! Top it all off he abandons his kid what a selfish low life!

Picture yourself as the biggest rock star of a generation, with the media hounding you all the time. How would you react? Would you be happy? On top of that you have a TERRIBLE case of scoliosis that fucks your stomach up, and makes you feel horrible, like no pain you have ever felt before. The only drug, or cure for the pain is heroin, which is basically morphine, wouldn't you take it too?

What happens when that pain goes away, when it is cured? You quit heroin, which Kurt Cobain did in 1993. What happens when you have a daughter and your wife is fucking crazy? You try to get a divorce which Kurt Cobain was going to do, before he "committed" suicide. Courtney Love was deathly afraid that he would leave her and with it his money.

Have you ever read Kurt Cobain's "suicide" note? Its not one, at all, its basically a retirement note, or a letter stating that Nirvana was over. The last part that makes it a suicide note is not even in the same handwriting as the first part. What does a man who doesn't want to be a spotlight do? Leaves it, by breaking up what was the biggest band in the world (at that point PJ was way bigger) Hence the reason Nirvana didn't take up the Lollapalooza gig that summer, which Courtney Love was pissed about. What do you do if you're a HUGE CUNT and grieving about your husband? Oh yeah push up the release date of your album so that it comes out in the middle of the media hoopla that was his death.

So before you go off spouting about shit you have NO FUCKING CLUE about, do some goddamn research.

To say Kurt Cobain was not musically talented or that Nirvana as a whole was not, is completely ignorant. Kurt Cobain's voice was fucking brilliant, listen to Where Did You Sleep Last Night? off of Nirvana Unplugged and if you don't get the chills or can't feel the depth of sadness in that man, you're deaf. There is no one with a more primal scream and no one with a voice like him, everyone has tried to imitate Eddie but where are the Kurt imitators? (No, I am not saying he has a better voice than Eddie, just more unique nowadays.)

Kurt Cobain could play the guitar and make noise come out of that thing like no one else, he wrote catchy rock, and stretched from Beatles-esque rock, to punk, to channeling even Sabbath. It also helps he was backed by one of the best rhythm sections in the game. Novoselic is no Entwistle or John Paul Jones, but dude knew how to play with Cobain and Grohl, and sure as hell kept it interesting. Lounge Act off Nevermind is an example of his excellence. Just because the dude isn't all over the fret board doesn't mean he isn't good. Do I need to even discuss Grohl? Breed off Nevermind, ANYTHING off of In Utero, especially Serve the Servants and Scentless Apprentice.

Like I say Boo Hoo I feel so sorry for Kurt Cobain he is the only one in the world with a few problems? So what You still have to be a fucking low life to be a heroin addict with a child and them abandon them by killing yourself there is no excuse. The only person to blame is him. Your the problem with the world everyone wants to blame someone else for their problems. If he didn't like being famous Quit the music industry and drop off the face of the earth I've worked jobs I hated and I quit them. Kurt Cobain had the luxury of quitting with millions!

Clark Kent · November 2009

if i recall that donkey cobain called pearl jam a bunch of poppy cock rockers or something in that matter. yeah how 'd that work out for ya donkey.... can we all say looooossssssserrrrr......... nirvana is the most over rated band in history of music. i'd rather see milli vanilli live than them. oh yeah maybe in the next life......

theanswersarefatal · November 2009

coachchris wrote:

wolfamongwolves wrote:

theanswersarefatal wrote:

"BOO HOO"

Don't be such a hypocrite...

theanswersarefatal=owned!
well done wolf

LOL...you guys are obviously way too easily impressed by what's been dubbed as "music".

theanswersarefatal · November 2009

happydad wrote:

if i recall that donkey cobain called pearl jam a bunch of poppy cock rockers or something in that matter. yeah how 'd that work out for ya donkey.... can we all say looooossssssserrrrr......... nirvana is the most over rated band in history of music. i'd rather see milli vanilli live than them. oh yeah maybe in the next life......

thank you. so ya see, my opinion is just an opinion, but it's a shared opinion.

theanswersarefatal · November 2009

LloydChristmas wrote:

Nirvana Rocks. I watching Nirvana at Reading now. To say they suck...like others said...you don't get it. The previous post "about being a musician for 20 years" I hope you have a record label and theres message boards talking about your music.

wow, this is a beaut. i could start a record label tomorrow, and not know how to play one instrument.

hope you guys know that all of that was really just a part of his schtick. the out of tune guitars, the breaking of the guitars...spectacle...marilyn manson-type spectacle.

and to echo corduroykelly's thoughts about "getting out of the business"...yeah, that's what he should have done. he was young? not ready for the fame? do what every other child star does: get out of the business. hey maybe he should have been hanging out with jodie sweetin!

it's like i always say: The Foo Fighters were the best thing to happen to Nirvana.

Mr Derp · November 2009

corduroykelly wrote:

I've worked jobs I hated and I quit them.

Because that's just like being a gigantic rock star and literally the poster boy for a new direction of rock music, an American version of what the Beatles/Rolling Stones did in the 60s? Or do you write off The Stones and Brian Jones the same way you do Nirvana and Kurt? Get a little perspective.

You didn't know the man. You have no idea how he felt, what he was going through, how much he did or did not love his family. Was it cool he left his daughter and wife? Of course not. But don't pretend you have some insight into his head/thought process and make presumptions about how he felt about anything, let alone his personal life.

The fact that you have such animosity and disdain for a complete stranger whose been dead for 15 years doesn't say much. A little compassion goes a long way.

Gems and Rhinestones · November 2009

like was posted in the live thread. here's your cobain.

COME AS YOU ARE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1oyfG6t2ew

&

SMELLS LIKE RIPOFF SPIRIT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbldM7JEIeE

Kraven · November 2009

corduroykelly wrote:

Kraven wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit! Top it all off he abandons his kid what a selfish low life!

Picture yourself as the biggest rock star of a generation, with the media hounding you all the time. How would you react? Would you be happy? On top of that you have a TERRIBLE case of scoliosis that fucks your stomach up, and makes you feel horrible, like no pain you have ever felt before. The only drug, or cure for the pain is heroin, which is basically morphine, wouldn't you take it too?

What happens when that pain goes away, when it is cured? You quit heroin, which Kurt Cobain did in 1993. What happens when you have a daughter and your wife is fucking crazy? You try to get a divorce which Kurt Cobain was going to do, before he "committed" suicide. Courtney Love was deathly afraid that he would leave her and with it his money.

Have you ever read Kurt Cobain's "suicide" note? Its not one, at all, its basically a retirement note, or a letter stating that Nirvana was over. The last part that makes it a suicide note is not even in the same handwriting as the first part. What does a man who doesn't want to be a spotlight do? Leaves it, by breaking up what was the biggest band in the world (at that point PJ was way bigger) Hence the reason Nirvana didn't take up the Lollapalooza gig that summer, which Courtney Love was pissed about. What do you do if you're a HUGE CUNT and grieving about your husband? Oh yeah push up the release date of your album so that it comes out in the middle of the media hoopla that was his death.

So before you go off spouting about shit you have NO FUCKING CLUE about, do some goddamn research.

To say Kurt Cobain was not musically talented or that Nirvana as a whole was not, is completely ignorant. Kurt Cobain's voice was fucking brilliant, listen to Where Did You Sleep Last Night? off of Nirvana Unplugged and if you don't get the chills or can't feel the depth of sadness in that man, you're deaf. There is no one with a more primal scream and no one with a voice like him, everyone has tried to imitate Eddie but where are the Kurt imitators? (No, I am not saying he has a better voice than Eddie, just more unique nowadays.)

Kurt Cobain could play the guitar and make noise come out of that thing like no one else, he wrote catchy rock, and stretched from Beatles-esque rock, to punk, to channeling even Sabbath. It also helps he was backed by one of the best rhythm sections in the game. Novoselic is no Entwistle or John Paul Jones, but dude knew how to play with Cobain and Grohl, and sure as hell kept it interesting. Lounge Act off Nevermind is an example of his excellence. Just because the dude isn't all over the fret board doesn't mean he isn't good. Do I need to even discuss Grohl? Breed off Nevermind, ANYTHING off of In Utero, especially Serve the Servants and Scentless Apprentice.

Like I say Boo Hoo I feel so sorry for Kurt Cobain he is the only one in the world with a few problems? So what You still have to be a fucking low life to be a heroin addict with a child and them abandon them by killing yourself there is no excuse. The only person to blame is him. Your the problem with the world everyone wants to blame someone else for their problems. If he didn't like being famous Quit the music industry and drop off the face of the earth I've worked jobs I hated and I quit them. Kurt Cobain had the luxury of quitting with millions!

You obviously don't get the implication that KURT COBAIN DIDN'T COMMIT SUICIDE! Which I am pretty sure was the point of that Kurt and Courtney movie. All the facts are there, and the only one ever implying he was suicidal was Courtney Love. Pretty fucking convenient for her now isn't it?

Discovered in a room locked from the outside, 3 times the lethal dose of heroin even for him, he would have OD'ed with the needle in his arm but it was found neatly put away, suicide note was a sham, too short to pull the trigger and shoot himself in the head, there is a whole mess of other things too. www.justiceforkurt.com

Smarter_Than_U · November 2009

Arguing over Cobain vs Vedder is like arguing Michelangelo vs DaVinci. Just be happy we got them both in the same century.

And regarding the circumstances around Kurt's death--show some class and let the man rest in peace.

Evacuation Rules · November 2009

corduroykelly wrote:

If he didn't like being famous Quit the music industry and drop off the face of the earth I've worked jobs I hated and I quit them. Kurt Cobain had the luxury of quitting with millions!

He was mentally ill and hopelessly drug addicted. Money meant nothing to him. Don't be so stupid!

Zo Barney · November 2009

dont judge, anyway kurt cobain was murdered. watch the docos, theirs too much proof! and that sly woman (courtney) got away with it.

Gems and Rhinestones · November 2009

Zo Barney wrote:

dont judge, anyway kurt cobain was murdered. watch the docos, theirs too much proof! and that sly woman (courtney) got away with it.

courtney love isn't sly..................she's dumber than a box of rocks so the theory she outsmarted everyone is ridiculous.

locked · November 2009

[quote="theanswersarefatal
it's like i always say: The Foo Fighters were the best thing to happen to Nirvana.[/quote]

Agreed...

I am glad Dave Grohl chose to stay "Alive"..!

The FF music is brilliant ....

I like that he finally addressed Kurt's suicide in "Let it Die" too..

Vedder on Cobain in 1994

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