Vedder on Cobain in 1994

theanswersarefatal

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit!

"BOO HOO"

theanswersarefatal

uhhh hey dicknose, can ya possibly get yer scrawny lil ass off my drumset before i kick ya in the balls? thanks.

Ledbetterman10

theanswersarefatal wrote:

nirvana sux. probably the most overrated band of all time. cobain's voice was atrocious, his guitar playing was horrible, novoselic wasn't any better on bass

You don't get it

DeLukin

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit! Top it all off he abandons his kid what a selfish low life!

Wow. Ignorance personified.

theanswersarefatal

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

theanswersarefatal wrote:

nirvana sux. probably the most overrated band of all time. cobain's voice was atrocious, his guitar playing was horrible, novoselic wasn't any better on bass

You don't get it

i don't get what...i've been a musician for over twenty years, i can spot poor musicianship.

"you don't get it"...sounds like a cobain-esque excuse if i ever heard one.

Ernie Vedder

Feiraco wrote:

Living in Europe and without internet those years, in 1994 I only saw Vedder speaking about Cobain in a mini-special on European MTV. Vedder, face down and mumbling, said something like 'are you happy now?'. I also remember Black Crowes' Chris Robinson saying something like 'Cobain killing himself is the saddest thing'.

Does this item sound familiar to anyone?

I think he was blaming the Media, not the fans

Feiraco

I think he was blaming the Media, not the fans

First of all, thanks for bringing this thread back on topic!
Interesting to hear. As I wrote, I only heard that specific quote (and not in a context) and always assumed he was 'pissed' at Cobain, and asked him that question.

FinsburyParkCarrots

Feiraco wrote:

In April 1994, Vanessa Warwick interviewed Ed and Jeff for a special edition of MTV Europe's version of Headbangers' Ball. The interviews were conducted 48 hours after Cobain's death. I probably have the show on VHS, somewhere or other. The footage of Ed was used in a few other shows on the station, at the time. I can also remember a Pearl Jam special in the summer of that year, which featured a re-run of 1992's Past, Present and Future documentary plus extra footage from the April '94 Ed interview.

Thanks for that! It would be marvellous if it could appear online one day.
Anyway, that interview must have been scheduled because I can't imagine Vedder arranging a new interview so quickly after Cobain's death. I can imagine somewhat the pressure which must have been upon him those days, mid-1994.

I think the interview was planned in advance, as part of a PJ on tour special episode of Headbangers' Ball. The edition of the show also featured footage from the band at the Boston Garden: I recall short clips of "Animal" and "Go".

I'll try and find the tape: not promising anything, though! We'll see.

Ledbetterman10

theanswersarefatal wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

theanswersarefatal wrote:

nirvana sux. probably the most overrated band of all time. cobain's voice was atrocious, his guitar playing was horrible, novoselic wasn't any better on bass

You don't get it

i don't get what...i've been a musician for over twenty years, i can spot poor musicianship.

"you don't get it"...sounds like a cobain-esque excuse if i ever heard one.

If you're criticizing Nirvana for their "poor musicianship," then you don't get Nirvana. I'm guessing that you don't know what it means....know not what it means when he says "yeah" either.

LloydChristmas

Nirvana Rocks. I watching Nirvana at Reading now. To say they suck...like others said...you don't get it. The previous post "about being a musician for 20 years" I hope you have a record label and theres message boards talking about your music.

iamdirtyfrank

i also remember the front of the kerrang mag here in the uk just after it happened, i was only 11 but i was hooked early. it was ed on the front with the headline "i can't do this anymore". it was also reprinted in kerrang's kurt cobain suicide 10th anniversary issue.
does this seem familiar to anybody?
some people here think nirvana were sh!t at what they did but hey they changed alot of peoples lifes.

wolfamongwolves

theanswersarefatal wrote:

who cares...nirvana sux. probably the most overrated band of all time. cobain's voice was atrocious, his guitar playing was horrible, novoselic wasn't any better on bass, and they would have disbanded anyway because dave grohl would have hopefully realized his songs would be better.

and besides being a junky, obviously cobain had serious problems...look who he chose to marry.

and someone already mentioned here how his suicide was a selfish act, and i agree with that. when his daughter was born his life should have been about her, and not his inability to deal with having money and fame. which is pretty pathetic, considering all of the poor people in this world then and now, some who would kill to be able to make money by playing music and being in front of thousands of fans.

the same old story we've heard again and again is "the rock star status exposure was starting to take his privacy away and he couldn't deal with it"...translation: he couldn't just shoot up whenever or whereever he wanted so instead of kicking the habit and embracing his success he just ended it all.

ok i'm done. long live pearl jam!

I used to be a fan of Nirvana. First band I ever saw live. But they never reached me the way Pearl Jam did. I haven't listened to them in years, and I find the cult of Kurt to be pretty cringe-inducing.

That said, I recognise their significance and their impact, which is why moronically ignorant nonsense like the post above and a few of those that follow it just do my head in.

So easy, isn't it, to be a naysayer, to soak up the thin veneer of a person's life that the media presents you with, and then have the arrogant audacity to presume you know them, and their personal problems, well enough to judge and condemn them.

Don't confuse your opinion with authority.

wolfamongwolves

theanswersarefatal wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit!

"BOO HOO"

Don't be such a hypocrite...

coachchris

wolfamongwolves wrote:

theanswersarefatal wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit!

"BOO HOO"

Don't be such a hypocrite...

theanswersarefatal=owned!
well done wolf

corduroykelly

DeLukin wrote:

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit! Top it all off he abandons his kid what a selfish low life!

Wow. Ignorance personified.

What exactly is ignorant by what I said? Everything I said is true. Is there something I said that was wrong?

locked

WhynotSweden wrote:

This isnt the exact clip but close, Ed speaks in the end;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3kHTbbHH3g

Wow..

Ed hits the nail on the head!..

Evacuation Rules

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit! Top it all off he abandons his kid what a selfish low life!

That's a lame and ignorant thing to say. Use your brain, woman.

Kraven

corduroykelly wrote:

Boo Hoo poor Kurt Cobain it was all just so hard for him the money, the wife, the kid, the fans,the love, the great music he made he just had it so rough LOL Fuck that guy! So many people have dreams of being in that position and he kills himself he's a weak minded pathetic fool. I hate him. I don't feel sorry for him at all! The only thing that came out of his head when he blew his brains out was shit! Top it all off he abandons his kid what a selfish low life!

Picture yourself as the biggest rock star of a generation, with the media hounding you all the time. How would you react? Would you be happy? On top of that you have a TERRIBLE case of scoliosis that fucks your stomach up, and makes you feel horrible, like no pain you have ever felt before. The only drug, or cure for the pain is heroin, which is basically morphine, wouldn't you take it too?

What happens when that pain goes away, when it is cured? You quit heroin, which Kurt Cobain did in 1993. What happens when you have a daughter and your wife is fucking crazy? You try to get a divorce which Kurt Cobain was going to do, before he "committed" suicide. Courtney Love was deathly afraid that he would leave her and with it his money.

Have you ever read Kurt Cobain's "suicide" note? Its not one, at all, its basically a retirement note, or a letter stating that Nirvana was over. The last part that makes it a suicide note is not even in the same handwriting as the first part. What does a man who doesn't want to be a spotlight do? Leaves it, by breaking up what was the biggest band in the world (at that point PJ was way bigger) Hence the reason Nirvana didn't take up the Lollapalooza gig that summer, which Courtney Love was pissed about. What do you do if you're a HUGE CUNT and grieving about your husband? Oh yeah push up the release date of your album so that it comes out in the middle of the media hoopla that was his death.

So before you go off spouting about shit you have NO FUCKING CLUE about, do some goddamn research.

To say Kurt Cobain was not musically talented or that Nirvana as a whole was not, is completely ignorant. Kurt Cobain's voice was fucking brilliant, listen to Where Did You Sleep Last Night? off of Nirvana Unplugged and if you don't get the chills or can't feel the depth of sadness in that man, you're deaf. There is no one with a more primal scream and no one with a voice like him, everyone has tried to imitate Eddie but where are the Kurt imitators? (No, I am not saying he has a better voice than Eddie, just more unique nowadays.)

Kurt Cobain could play the guitar and make noise come out of that thing like no one else, he wrote catchy rock, and stretched from Beatles-esque rock, to punk, to channeling even Sabbath. It also helps he was backed by one of the best rhythm sections in the game. Novoselic is no Entwistle or John Paul Jones, but dude knew how to play with Cobain and Grohl, and sure as hell kept it interesting. Lounge Act off Nevermind is an example of his excellence. Just because the dude isn't all over the fret board doesn't mean he isn't good. Do I need to even discuss Grohl? Breed off Nevermind, ANYTHING off of In Utero, especially Serve the Servants and Scentless Apprentice.

maki_j

Get on netflix and checkout "Kurt & Courtney". Is a great documentary on what probably "really" happened...

Mr Derp

The trouble with the "Nirvana Sucks" whining/argument is it's just so easy to disprove. "Live At Reading" just came out a week ago and illustrates, front to back, a great rock band in their prime. I don't care if you like his voice, or Kris's 'skillz' on bass, but when it's all said and done they made some awesome generation defining rock music and backed it up with great shows.

Nirvana may not be everyone's cup of tea, but to throw out a blanket statement like "Nirvana Sucks" and list a couple nit picks as you casually brush them aside or toss pot shots out at a dead man is making waves for the sake of making waves. Maybe it's supposed to sound cool, or maybe you don't get that what defined Nirvana was what came out when those guys played together on stage as a band. They didn't get famous because of Cobain's skill playing guitar the same way they didn't get famous because of Ghrol's considerable energy and skill on the drums. So holding that stuff up as proof of misconception about Nirvana doesn't work. There was no mass delusion in the 90's where everyone thought Kurt played like Hendrix.