Shooting at Fort Hood

_outlaw wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

There is such a fear about doing or saying anything that might be deemed racist or insensitive against Muslims.

You must be joking.

No dipshit, I'm not joking. If you lived in the real world, you'd see where people walk on eggshells when it comes to this issue.

rebornFixer wrote:

Oh, and that's the`last comment I will have on the topic, because apparently my Caucasian heritage precludes me from having an informed opinion on how Muslims must think.

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Unless you are a Muslim... there is no way you can answer the question that was asked.
"How come Muslims very rarely or ever speak out condemning these kind of acts if they are so peace loving?"
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You can SPECULATE in regards to your response, and yes... speculation is uninformed. For you to attempt to answer that would be the same as answering the question, 'What is it like to be Black in America?", or "What is it like to be an AIG Executive?" or 'What is it like to be a dead person?" The only people who can answer these questions are black people, AIG Execs and dead people. The rest of us will simply speculate.
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And the question is kinda dumb... when you look at the opposite side of this coin. A related question would be someone in Saudia Arabia asking, "Why do Christians like the taste of mayonaise?" to a bunch of Saudi Arabian guys. My guess... they would answer, "I don't know" or come up with some completely false speculation.

rebornFixer wrote:

While I still regret my emotional outburst earlier in this thread, information coming to light suggests that the influence of extremist ideologies MIGHT have been relevant in this case. I'd like to thank people like Triumphant Angel for jumping all over my nuts.

you are talking here about information NOW coming to light. my post was a few days ago, and i just called it as i saw it.

and trust me. your nuts are safe. i'm kinda fussy who's nuts i jump on, and yours aren't on the list. :roll:

_outlaw wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

While I still regret my emotional outburst earlier in this thread, information coming to light suggests that the influence of extremist ideologies MIGHT have been relevant in this case. I'd like to thank people like Triumphant Angel for jumping all over my nuts.

i hope you're joking, you weren't even able to give me a better response regarding your post than "I have my opinions and you have yours." lol

Oh ... Buried somewhere in your usual apologetic diatribes and rants about the media were questions? My bad. Ask away if you've got questions, and I will attempt to answer. Feel free to keep it concise, though.

Cosmo wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

Oh, and that's the`last comment I will have on the topic, because apparently my Caucasian heritage precludes me from having an informed opinion on how Muslims must think.

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Unless you are a Muslim... there is no way you can answer the question that was asked.
"How come Muslims very rarely or ever speak out condemning these kind of acts if they are so peace loving?"
...
You can SPECULATE in regards to your response, and yes... speculation is uninformed. For you to attempt to answer that would be the same as answering the question, 'What is it like to be Black in America?", or "What is it like to be an AIG Executive?" or 'What is it like to be a dead person?" The only people who can answer these questions are black people, AIG Execs and dead people. The rest of us will simply speculate.
...
And the question is kinda dumb... when you look at the opposite side of this coin. A related question would be someone in Saudia Arabia asking, "Why do Christians like the taste of mayonaise?" to a bunch of Saudi Arabian guys. My guess... they would answer, "I don't know" or come up with some completely false speculation.

I can agree that the question as originally posted was problematic, if nothing else because there ARE many Muslims who do speak out against violence. Not sure that speculation about those who don't is entirely unwarranted, though. There's probably a reason, and a solution to the problem of religious violence requires that questions be asked and possibilities entertained. Sure, asking the people themselves is the best idea. Any imams out there rocking out to Johnny Guitar?

rebornFixer wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

rebornFixer wrote:

While I still regret my emotional outburst earlier in this thread, information coming to light suggests that the influence of extremist ideologies MIGHT have been relevant in this case. I'd like to thank people like Triumphant Angel for jumping all over my nuts.

i hope you're joking, you weren't even able to give me a better response regarding your post than "I have my opinions and you have yours." lol

Oh ... Buried somewhere in your usual apologetic diatribes and rants about the media were questions? My bad. Ask away if you've got questions, and I will attempt to answer. Feel free to keep it concise, though.

wear your reading glasses next time, you might be able to see my point.

rebornFixer wrote:

... Any imams out there rocking out to Johnny Guitar?

hell... i dont even rock out to johnny guitar. :P

Well, if someone committed mass murder in the name of a religious faith that I held dear, yes ... I'd feel more than a little obligated to speak up. Could just be me. Some Muslim groups do publically condemn violence such as this, so at least some of them must agree with me on this issue.

And thanks for bringing Israel up yet again, _outlaw, because I have long wondered why you have no qualms about evoking extremist ideologies (i.e., Zionism) when explaining the behavior of Isrealis, but when it comes to Muslims, no, there it must have nothing to do with extremism and everything to do with someone else's prejudice. In your view, some groups of people are apparently immune to the detrimental effects of religious extremism but instead react solely as victims, whereas others (i.e., the Jews) do horrible things because of an idelogical position that disregards the value of human life and freedom. Its not possible that both groups contribute to the problem via a fundamental disregard for each other's lives? I guess one-way causal models are just easier for some people to understand.

NoK wrote:

Shawshank wrote:

No dipshit, I'm not joking. If you lived in the real world, you'd see where people walk on eggshells when it comes to this issue.

Very classy response.

This video will give you a little insight into the real world and how truly respectful you bunch are..

http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?do ... firefox-a#

"You bunch"...nice touch there. This place reeks of hypocrisy.

aerial wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

If Nidal Hasan was a jihadist, then what were Scott Roeder http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 8020.story and Jack Teitel http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 38,00.html?

Not Relevant .....................

apparently you did not click on the links. these are examples of american christians targeting other americans and murdering them. very relevent since you said that this never happens in america.