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soulsinging wrote:lukins fridge wrote:imissyoualready wrote:furthermore.....this issue of no bass lines? do any of you know what a bass line is? are you listening with earbuds or in front of a computer (bass response is bad with both those mediums). wtf? i gotta get off of this board and go to the gearheads page where at lease 20-30% of the people know what the hell they're talking about.
DITT - FUCKIN - O! see my post earlier. pitchfork - and writers in general - are not musicians. jeff is absolutely off his rocker on this album. geez
I'm not a musician, which is why I started saying rhythm instead of bassline. I don't know the technical terms. I guess that means I'm never allowed to have an opinion about how music sounds to me again. By the way, you had damn well never say a word about a book or tv show you like again, because you never MADE a tv show, so how can you comment on it? Oh, and don't ever talk to me about sports, because unless you play in the NBA, you have no grounds to even comment on sports.
I'm not saying PJ has to become Parliament-Funkadelic, but what set them apart from all their peers was their ability to merge punk and hard rock with Stone's love of funk and hip hop to make music that rocked but still had the ability to get people moving. They've all but pushed Stone out of the band now, so all that's left is those jagged riffing punk tunes that are cool if you're in a punk club doing that bad ass little march right before punching someone or stage diving, but fall flat in the context of a PJ show or album. Look around during a given PJ show during those songs... tell me how many people are into it and how many are just standing looking confused and wondering how they're supposed to get into a song like Supersonic. Compare that to how people respond to Alive or even tunes like Rats and Why Go and Leash.
"All but pushed Stone out of the band"????????????
Man you seriously dont know what your'e talking about. Do you know how PJ picks songs? You need to go do some homework.......FER REELZ. And everytime you post you end up correcting what you said in the previous post. I recommend you take about 3 weeks off from posting and go watch all the interviews you've missed in the last few years. You'll come back a better, more accurate poster.
"They've all but pushed Stone out of the band" LMMFAO!!!Toledo '96, Cleveland '98, Columbus '00, Cleveland '03, Toledo '04
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imissyoualready wrote:How old are you? I'm guessing well over 30. And all the shows I've been to, most of the people are moving most of the time.
If you're listening on a good system, adjust the EQ and drop out the high end....then come back and tell me there's no bass lines.
Lastly, I think there's plenty of stuff on the new album for you to grope your girlfriend to at concerts (that's my only complaint about the album). Pearl Jam isn't supposed to be finger-fucking music and the only people i've ever know who thought it was were in fraternities and came upon the music cause dude's in their frat house liked it.
I'm 27, for whatever that has to do anything. I already corrected myself.. sure Jeff is playing a bass, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a general lack of rhythmic rock... you know the 'r' in R&B, the forerunner of rock. There's no swing in the music, no dynamics or tension or patience. Everything is played super fast, even the words. Get a clock and tell me how many words Ed spits in 15 seconds of Got Some compared to Leash or Why Go. They've ceased to write songs that rock because they have heft and weight and try to make up for it by just playing faster. I'm not sure what finger-fucking music is, but I do know that at a concert I like to be able to have some fun dancing around and singing along and PJ used to excel at that. They've sidelined their greatest weapons though... Ed's voice, Mike's wailing, Stone and Jeff's rhythmic interplay... all of it is gone. Maybe Jeff is louder in the mix now, but his bass lines aren't going to give George Clinton a run for his money in terms of getting asses outta the seat. Maybe Stone has a better haircut, but he still spends too much time sitting there doing nothing so that Ed can play simple riffs instead and pretend he's in the Ramones. Maybe Ed can still reach down and send shivers up a listener's spine, but he still has too many songs where it seems like speed and quantity of words take precedence over letting the song breathe and giving him a second in between the verses to reach to his gut for those vocal performances that made us all die hards.0 -
soulsinging wrote:imissyoualready wrote:How old are you? I'm guessing well over 30. And all the shows I've been to, most of the people are moving most of the time.
If you're listening on a good system, adjust the EQ and drop out the high end....then come back and tell me there's no bass lines.
Lastly, I think there's plenty of stuff on the new album for you to grope your girlfriend to at concerts (that's my only complaint about the album). Pearl Jam isn't supposed to be finger-fucking music and the only people i've ever know who thought it was were in fraternities and came upon the music cause dude's in their frat house liked it.
I'm 27, for whatever that has to do anything. I already corrected myself.. sure Jeff is playing a bass, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a general lack of rhythmic rock... you know the 'r' in R&B, the forerunner of rock. There's no swing in the music, no dynamics or tension or patience. Everything is played super fast, even the words. Get a clock and tell me how many words Ed spits in 15 seconds of Got Some compared to Leash or Why Go. They've ceased to write songs that rock because they have heft and weight and try to make up for it by just playing faster. I'm not sure what finger-fucking music is, but I do know that at a concert I like to be able to have some fun dancing around and singing along and PJ used to excel at that. They've sidelined their greatest weapons though... Ed's voice, Mike's wailing, Stone and Jeff's rhythmic interplay... all of it is gone. Maybe Jeff is louder in the mix now, but his bass lines aren't going to give George Clinton a run for his money in terms of getting asses outta the seat. Maybe Stone has a better haircut, but he still spends too much time sitting there doing nothing so that Ed can play simple riffs instead and pretend he's in the Ramones. Maybe Ed can still reach down and send shivers up a listener's spine, but he still has too many songs where it seems like speed and quantity of words take precedence over letting the song breathe and giving him a second in between the verses to reach to his gut for those vocal performances that made us all die hards.
Oh I get it now. You're bipolar. You just said a while ago that you didnt like them trying to be the ramones and now you're saying Ed should be pretending he's in the ramones? You're all over the place. I'm off to demoralize other Backspacer-haters.Toledo '96, Cleveland '98, Columbus '00, Cleveland '03, Toledo '04
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Other mainstream acts album reviews by Pitchfork:
U2's All That you Cant Leave behind - 5.0 (easily u2's best album this decade)
Green Days 21st Century Breakdown - 4.8
Nine Inch Nails' The Fragile - 2.0 (that one is almost beyond belief)
Weezers Make Believe - 0.4
Coldplays A rush of blood to the head 4.9
Of those 5, I would rate U2's, NIN's, and Coldplays albums as 21st Century classics, and I only would put about 15-20 albums in that category. Granted, Weezer's Make Believe is poor, but a 0.4? The point is, they either hate anything mainstream (not named Radiohead), or they do it on purpose. I dont know which.I am right by your side...0 -
imissyoualready wrote:"All but pushed Stone out of the band"????????????
Man you seriously dont know what your'e talking about. Do you know how PJ picks songs? You need to go do some homework.......FER REELZ. And everytime you post you end up correcting what you said in the previous post. I recommend you take about 3 weeks off from posting and go watch all the interviews you've missed in the last few years. You'll come back a better, more accurate poster.
"They've all but pushed Stone out of the band" LMMFAO!!!
Ed wrote music for a grand total of 7 songs over the first 3 albums (porch, rvm, elderly woman, corduroy, not for you, immortality, betterman). 7 out of 33 songs. He has 5 out of the 11 songs on this album. On those first 3 albums, Stone wrote 8 of the Ten songs on his own and at least half of the rest of VS-Vitalogy... so 19 out of 33 we'll say. This album, he has I believe ONE song he wrote himself, and maybe 2 other co-writer credits (not coincidentally, it's the best song on the album). On the last album, Ed wrote music for... 4-5 songs? Stone had... 2? 3?
You say I'm delusional? You're right, the distribution of song-writing duties hasn't changed AT ALL over the years :roll: PJ is Ed's baby now, and Stone may be ok with that, but I'm not. His was always the most interesting music. And it's annoying when you have people that talented going to waste. Ed did an entire solo album, and still sticks 3 more songs just like the ones from his solo album onto BS, while Stone had his solo album shelved (so clearly, he had material) and can't get more than one song on this album? You don't believe that any more than I do.
I don't know how they pick the songs, but I don't think anyone would disagree that they suck at it. The proof of that is the songs left off Binaural and Riot Act, which are largely far better than any of the songs actually on those albums. Even the band has admitted that. I know they said they tried to get away from that this time, but I don't think it worked. Sue me.0 -
imissyoualready wrote:soulsinging wrote:Maybe Stone has a better haircut, but he still spends too much time sitting there doing nothing so that Ed can play simple riffs instead and pretend he's in the Ramones.
Oh I get it now. You're bipolar. You just said a while ago that you didnt like them trying to be the ramones and now you're saying Ed should be pretending he's in the ramones? You're all over the place. I'm off to demoralize other Backspacer-haters.
Ummm, I think that quote pretty clearly says I wish Ed wasn't wasting all his time trying to be the Ramones? Because when Ed plays "I'm a punk rocker" he picks up a guitar and Stone just stands there doing nothing because no punk song ever recorded needs 3 guitars. So instead of hearing a song like Alive or Leash or Animal, we get to hear another song like Comatose. Ya-fuckin-hoo. One thing I'm not is all over the place, I've been very consistent here for years in saying that I hate when the band tries to be punk.Post edited by soulsinging on0 -
soulsinging wrote:imissyoualready wrote:"All but pushed Stone out of the band"????????????
Man you seriously dont know what your'e talking about. Do you know how PJ picks songs? You need to go do some homework.......FER REELZ. And everytime you post you end up correcting what you said in the previous post. I recommend you take about 3 weeks off from posting and go watch all the interviews you've missed in the last few years. You'll come back a better, more accurate poster.
"They've all but pushed Stone out of the band" LMMFAO!!!
Ed wrote music for a grand total of 7 songs over the first 3 albums (porch, rvm, elderly woman, corduroy, not for you, immortality, betterman). 7 out of 33 songs. He has 5 out of the 11 songs on this album. On those first 3 albums, Stone wrote 8 of the Ten songs on his own and at least half of the rest of VS-Vitalogy... so 19 out of 33 we'll say. This album, he has I believe ONE song he wrote himself, and maybe 2 other co-writer credits (not coincidentally, it's the best song on the album). On the last album, Ed wrote music for... 4-5 songs? Stone had... 2? 3?
You say I'm delusional? You're right, the distribution of song-writing duties hasn't changed AT ALL over the years :roll: PJ is Ed's baby now, and Stone may be ok with that, but I'm not. His was always the most interesting music. And it's annoying when you have people that talented going to waste. Ed did an entire solo album, and still sticks 3 more songs just like the ones from his solo album onto BS, while Stone had his solo album shelved (so clearly, he had material) and can't get more than one song on this album? You don't believe that any more than I do.
I don't know how they pick the songs, but I don't think anyone would disagree that they suck at it. The proof of that is the songs left off Binaural and Riot Act, which are largely far better than any of the songs actually on those albums. Even the band has admitted that. I know they said they tried to get away from that this time, but I don't think it worked. Sue me.
Dude I cant do this anymore with you. You're from CLeveland so i friended you and we'll just let this one go for now.Post edited by imissyoualready onToledo '96, Cleveland '98, Columbus '00, Cleveland '03, Toledo '04
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soulsinging wrote:imissyoualready wrote:furthermore.....this issue of no bass lines? do any of you know what a bass line is? are you listening with earbuds or in front of a computer (bass response is bad with both those mediums). wtf? i gotta get off of this board and go to the gearheads page where at lease 20-30% of the people know what the hell they're talking about.
Mostly in my car and on high end headphones and a decent stereo. But I'll admit I'm not a gearhead. What I am is a dude that loves hearing Even Flow live because I can shake my ass during that song, or pump fists during alive, or sway with my arms around my gf to some of the ballads. Tell, what body movements can you make during a song like Johnny Guitar? Maybe a little of those air guitar strums, or Ed's acid-infused hand motions?Let's face it, they're trying to do punk now... head banging for a few seconds, then a few seconds to stand stock still and listen to the 'fuck the man' lyrics, then back to head banging with some arm wind-milling. Gone are the days of PJ writing a song that can get a whole arena on the same page for singing along or dancing or anything like that.
So your idea of a good song is "it has a good beat and I can dance to it." That explains a lot
Bet you loooooove the new Beyonce song.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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slightofjeff wrote:soulsinging wrote:imissyoualready wrote:furthermore.....this issue of no bass lines? do any of you know what a bass line is? are you listening with earbuds or in front of a computer (bass response is bad with both those mediums). wtf? i gotta get off of this board and go to the gearheads page where at lease 20-30% of the people know what the hell they're talking about.
Mostly in my car and on high end headphones and a decent stereo. But I'll admit I'm not a gearhead. What I am is a dude that loves hearing Even Flow live because I can shake my ass during that song, or pump fists during alive, or sway with my arms around my gf to some of the ballads. Tell, what body movements can you make during a song like Johnny Guitar? Maybe a little of those air guitar strums, or Ed's acid-infused hand motions?Let's face it, they're trying to do punk now... head banging for a few seconds, then a few seconds to stand stock still and listen to the 'fuck the man' lyrics, then back to head banging with some arm wind-milling. Gone are the days of PJ writing a song that can get a whole arena on the same page for singing along or dancing or anything like that.
So your idea of a good song is "it has a good beat and I can dance to it." That explains a lot
Bet you loooooove the new Beyonce song.
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soulsinging wrote:Ed wrote music for a grand total of 7 songs over the first 3 albums (porch, rvm, elderly woman, corduroy, not for you, immortality, betterman). 7 out of 33 songs. He has 5 out of the 11 songs on this album. On those first 3 albums, Stone wrote 8 of the Ten songs on his own and at least half of the rest of VS-Vitalogy... so 19 out of 33 we'll say. This album, he has I believe ONE song he wrote himself, and maybe 2 other co-writer credits (not coincidentally, it's the best song on the album). On the last album, Ed wrote music for... 4-5 songs? Stone had... 2? 3?
You say I'm delusional? You're right, the distribution of song-writing duties hasn't changed AT ALL over the years :roll: PJ is Ed's baby now, and Stone may be ok with that, but I'm not. His was always the most interesting music. And it's annoying when you have people that talented going to waste. Ed did an entire solo album, and still sticks 3 more songs just like the ones from his solo album onto BS, while Stone had his solo album shelved (so clearly, he had material) and can't get more than one song on this album? You don't believe that any more than I do.
I don't know how they pick the songs, but I don't think anyone would disagree that they suck at it. The proof of that is the songs left off Binaural and Riot Act, which are largely far better than any of the songs actually on those albums. Even the band has admitted that. I know they said they tried to get away from that this time, but I don't think it worked. Sue me.
I don't mean this quite as shittily as it's going to come out, but why are you still around then? The band has been "Ed's baby" since Vitalogy. It's been damn near 15 years. At some point, it seems you'd realize Ten/Vs.-era Pearl Jam isn't coming back. Why are you still here?
See I love the first three STP albums. Love them, love them, love them. I still consider Purple to be one of the best pieces of music of all time. The fourth and fifth albums didn't do much for me. Surprisingly, however, I didn't go on the STP website and bitch about it. I just shrugged my shoulders and moved on to other bands.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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slightofjeff wrote:soulsinging wrote:Ed wrote music for a grand total of 7 songs over the first 3 albums (porch, rvm, elderly woman, corduroy, not for you, immortality, betterman). 7 out of 33 songs. He has 5 out of the 11 songs on this album. On those first 3 albums, Stone wrote 8 of the Ten songs on his own and at least half of the rest of VS-Vitalogy... so 19 out of 33 we'll say. This album, he has I believe ONE song he wrote himself, and maybe 2 other co-writer credits (not coincidentally, it's the best song on the album). On the last album, Ed wrote music for... 4-5 songs? Stone had... 2? 3?
You say I'm delusional? You're right, the distribution of song-writing duties hasn't changed AT ALL over the years :roll: PJ is Ed's baby now, and Stone may be ok with that, but I'm not. His was always the most interesting music. And it's annoying when you have people that talented going to waste. Ed did an entire solo album, and still sticks 3 more songs just like the ones from his solo album onto BS, while Stone had his solo album shelved (so clearly, he had material) and can't get more than one song on this album? You don't believe that any more than I do.
I don't know how they pick the songs, but I don't think anyone would disagree that they suck at it. The proof of that is the songs left off Binaural and Riot Act, which are largely far better than any of the songs actually on those albums. Even the band has admitted that. I know they said they tried to get away from that this time, but I don't think it worked. Sue me.
I don't mean this quite as shittily as it's going to come out, but why are you still around then? The band has been "Ed's baby" since Vitalogy. It's been damn near 15 years. At some point, it seems you'd realize Ten/Vs.-era Pearl Jam isn't coming back. Why are you still here?
See I love the first three STP albums. Love them, love them, love them. I still consider Purple to be one of the best pieces of music of all time. The fourth and fifth albums didn't do much for me. Surprisingly, however, I didn't go on the STP website and bitch about it. I just shrugged my shoulders and moved on to other bands.
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slightofjeff wrote:soulsinging wrote:imissyoualready wrote:furthermore.....this issue of no bass lines? do any of you know what a bass line is? are you listening with earbuds or in front of a computer (bass response is bad with both those mediums). wtf? i gotta get off of this board and go to the gearheads page where at lease 20-30% of the people know what the hell they're talking about.
Mostly in my car and on high end headphones and a decent stereo. But I'll admit I'm not a gearhead. What I am is a dude that loves hearing Even Flow live because I can shake my ass during that song, or pump fists during alive, or sway with my arms around my gf to some of the ballads. Tell, what body movements can you make during a song like Johnny Guitar? Maybe a little of those air guitar strums, or Ed's acid-infused hand motions?Let's face it, they're trying to do punk now... head banging for a few seconds, then a few seconds to stand stock still and listen to the 'fuck the man' lyrics, then back to head banging with some arm wind-milling. Gone are the days of PJ writing a song that can get a whole arena on the same page for singing along or dancing or anything like that.
So your idea of a good song is "it has a good beat and I can dance to it." That explains a lot
Bet you loooooove the new Beyonce song.
If you wanna simplify it, sure. For a white guy, I like to get down. Give me something I can jam to.0 -
soulsinging wrote:If you wanna simplify it, sure. For a white guy, I like to get down. Give me something I can jam to.
That made me laugh, honky.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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slightofjeff wrote:soulsinging wrote:Ed wrote music for a grand total of 7 songs over the first 3 albums (porch, rvm, elderly woman, corduroy, not for you, immortality, betterman). 7 out of 33 songs. He has 5 out of the 11 songs on this album. On those first 3 albums, Stone wrote 8 of the Ten songs on his own and at least half of the rest of VS-Vitalogy... so 19 out of 33 we'll say. This album, he has I believe ONE song he wrote himself, and maybe 2 other co-writer credits (not coincidentally, it's the best song on the album). On the last album, Ed wrote music for... 4-5 songs? Stone had... 2? 3?
You say I'm delusional? You're right, the distribution of song-writing duties hasn't changed AT ALL over the years :roll: PJ is Ed's baby now, and Stone may be ok with that, but I'm not. His was always the most interesting music. And it's annoying when you have people that talented going to waste. Ed did an entire solo album, and still sticks 3 more songs just like the ones from his solo album onto BS, while Stone had his solo album shelved (so clearly, he had material) and can't get more than one song on this album? You don't believe that any more than I do.
I don't know how they pick the songs, but I don't think anyone would disagree that they suck at it. The proof of that is the songs left off Binaural and Riot Act, which are largely far better than any of the songs actually on those albums. Even the band has admitted that. I know they said they tried to get away from that this time, but I don't think it worked. Sue me.
I don't mean this quite as shittily as it's going to come out, but why are you still around then? The band has been "Ed's baby" since Vitalogy. It's been damn near 15 years. At some point, it seems you'd realize Ten/Vs.-era Pearl Jam isn't coming back. Why are you still here?
See I love the first three STP albums. Love them, love them, love them. I still consider Purple to be one of the best pieces of music of all time. The fourth and fifth albums didn't do much for me. Surprisingly, however, I didn't go on the STP website and bitch about it. I just shrugged my shoulders and moved on to other bands.
I dunno, I keep hoping one day they'll do what they're capable of and get back to their strengths. I see flashes of it now and again... like the breakdown in Supersonic, or Amongst the Waves. The jams at the end of Unthought Known and Force of Nature... they keep coming close. I keep hoping. Maybe I'm an idiot for it, but this band meant a lot to me and I keep rooting for them. Like how I stuck with the Detroit Tigers through the worst decade in baseball, and one day it paid off and they made the playoffs againBut I have moved on in many ways. I rarely listen to PJ, I sold Riot Act because it was weak. I listen to tons of new bands daily, more so than PJ by far.
I stick around here because the Moving Train is addictive, I get good tips from Other Music, it's a great way to waste free time, and I already bought the damn membership so why not? Don't worry though, I won't be long. My membership has lapsed and I don't intend to renew it. I'll still give them a listen when they have new stuff, I love seeing them live, I love their middle albums. Hell, I don't even hate the new stuff, I just know they can and have done better. But I do think the passion I felt has waned, maybe more so because I've tried to force it for so long. I'll always love Ten-Binaural, but the last 3 have convinced me that the band is set on moving in directions I'm not a big fan of, so it might be time for me to cut my losses.Post edited by soulsinging on0 -
Man, I'd pitchfork the hell out of Beyonce..'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
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soulsinging wrote:slightofjeff wrote:soulsinging wrote:Ed wrote music for a grand total of 7 songs over the first 3 albums (porch, rvm, elderly woman, corduroy, not for you, immortality, betterman). 7 out of 33 songs. He has 5 out of the 11 songs on this album. On those first 3 albums, Stone wrote 8 of the Ten songs on his own and at least half of the rest of VS-Vitalogy... so 19 out of 33 we'll say. This album, he has I believe ONE song he wrote himself, and maybe 2 other co-writer credits (not coincidentally, it's the best song on the album). On the last album, Ed wrote music for... 4-5 songs? Stone had... 2? 3?
You say I'm delusional? You're right, the distribution of song-writing duties hasn't changed AT ALL over the years :roll: PJ is Ed's baby now, and Stone may be ok with that, but I'm not. His was always the most interesting music. And it's annoying when you have people that talented going to waste. Ed did an entire solo album, and still sticks 3 more songs just like the ones from his solo album onto BS, while Stone had his solo album shelved (so clearly, he had material) and can't get more than one song on this album? You don't believe that any more than I do.
I don't know how they pick the songs, but I don't think anyone would disagree that they suck at it. The proof of that is the songs left off Binaural and Riot Act, which are largely far better than any of the songs actually on those albums. Even the band has admitted that. I know they said they tried to get away from that this time, but I don't think it worked. Sue me.
I don't mean this quite as shittily as it's going to come out, but why are you still around then? The band has been "Ed's baby" since Vitalogy. It's been damn near 15 years. At some point, it seems you'd realize Ten/Vs.-era Pearl Jam isn't coming back. Why are you still here?
See I love the first three STP albums. Love them, love them, love them. I still consider Purple to be one of the best pieces of music of all time. The fourth and fifth albums didn't do much for me. Surprisingly, however, I didn't go on the STP website and bitch about it. I just shrugged my shoulders and moved on to other bands.
I dunno, I keep hoping one day they'll do what they're capable of and get back to their strengths. I see flashes of it now and again... like the breakdown in Supersonic, or Amongst the Waves. The jams at the end of Unthought Known and Force of Nature... they keep coming close. I keep hoping. Maybe I'm an idiot for it, but this band meant a lot to me and I keep rooting for them. Like how I stuck with the Detroit Tigers through the worst decade in baseball, and one day it paid off and they made the playoffs againBut I have moved on in many ways. I rarely listen to PJ, I sold Riot Act because it was weak. I listen to tons of new bands daily, more so than PJ by far.
I stick around here because the Moving Train is addictive, I get good tips from Other Music, it's a great way to waste free time, and I already bought the damn membership so why not? Don't worry though, I won't be long. My membership has lapsed and I don't intend to renew it. I'll still give them a listen when they have new stuff, I love seeing them live, I love their middle albums. Hell, I don't even hate the new stuff, I just know they can and have done better.
And now it makes sense. You arent really a PJ fan anymore if you're selling your PJ records. You're just here to piss real fans off.Toledo '96, Cleveland '98, Columbus '00, Cleveland '03, Toledo '04
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slightofjeff wrote:soulsinging wrote:If you wanna simplify it, sure. For a white guy, I like to get down. Give me something I can jam to.
That made me laugh, honky.
Now this thread has me kicking myself for not putting my Parliament cd in my car this morning0 -
imissyoualready wrote:soulsinging wrote:I dunno, I keep hoping one day they'll do what they're capable of and get back to their strengths. I see flashes of it now and again... like the breakdown in Supersonic, or Amongst the Waves. The jams at the end of Unthought Known and Force of Nature... they keep coming close. I keep hoping. Maybe I'm an idiot for it, but this band meant a lot to me and I keep rooting for them. Like how I stuck with the Detroit Tigers through the worst decade in baseball, and one day it paid off and they made the playoffs again
But I have moved on in many ways. I rarely listen to PJ, I sold Riot Act because it was weak. I listen to tons of new bands daily, more so than PJ by far.
I stick around here because the Moving Train is addictive, I get good tips from Other Music, it's a great way to waste free time, and I already bought the damn membership so why not? Don't worry though, I won't be long. My membership has lapsed and I don't intend to renew it. I'll still give them a listen when they have new stuff, I love seeing them live, I love their middle albums. Hell, I don't even hate the new stuff, I just know they can and have done better.
And now it makes sense. You arent really a PJ fan anymore if you're selling your PJ records. You're just here to piss real fans off.
No, I'm not a fan of their new stuff. I've been devoted to this band for over 10 years. I somehow doubt getting rid of one album means I'm not a fan. Do you have every album by every band you ever liked? I can't think of a single band whose entire catalogue I own. PJ comes closer than anyone to that distinction.
I'm not trying to piss people off. I often hope someone will catch something I missed and it'll change my mind about their recent material.0 -
soulsinging wrote:imissyoualready wrote:soulsinging wrote:I dunno, I keep hoping one day they'll do what they're capable of and get back to their strengths. I see flashes of it now and again... like the breakdown in Supersonic, or Amongst the Waves. The jams at the end of Unthought Known and Force of Nature... they keep coming close. I keep hoping. Maybe I'm an idiot for it, but this band meant a lot to me and I keep rooting for them. Like how I stuck with the Detroit Tigers through the worst decade in baseball, and one day it paid off and they made the playoffs again
But I have moved on in many ways. I rarely listen to PJ, I sold Riot Act because it was weak. I listen to tons of new bands daily, more so than PJ by far.
I stick around here because the Moving Train is addictive, I get good tips from Other Music, it's a great way to waste free time, and I already bought the damn membership so why not? Don't worry though, I won't be long. My membership has lapsed and I don't intend to renew it. I'll still give them a listen when they have new stuff, I love seeing them live, I love their middle albums. Hell, I don't even hate the new stuff, I just know they can and have done better.
And now it makes sense. You arent really a PJ fan anymore if you're selling your PJ records. You're just here to piss real fans off.
No, I'm not a fan of their new stuff. I've been devoted to this band for over 10 years. I somehow doubt getting rid of one album means I'm not a fan. Do you have every album by every band you ever liked? I can't think of a single band whose entire catalogue I own. PJ comes closer than anyone to that distinction.
I'm not trying to piss people off. I often hope someone will catch something I missed and it'll change my mind about their recent material.
I have the entire PJ catalog minus a handful of boots. I have the entire Neil Young catalog, the entire Beatles catalog, the entire Stooges catalog, the entire George Harrison catalog, the entire John Lennon catalog....need I go on?Toledo '96, Cleveland '98, Columbus '00, Cleveland '03, Toledo '04
Washington D.C. '04, London '05,Hamilton '05,Grand Rapids '06,
Cleveland '06, Detroit '06,Pittsburgh '06,Cincinnati '06,Chicago '07
NYC '08, NYC '08, Chicago '09, Chicago '09, ACL '09, Columbus 2010, Noblesville 2010, Cleveland 2010, Buffalo 2010.0 -
imissyoualready wrote:soulsinging wrote:imissyoualready wrote:And now it makes sense. You arent really a PJ fan anymore if you're selling your PJ records. You're just here to piss real fans off.
No, I'm not a fan of their new stuff. I've been devoted to this band for over 10 years. I somehow doubt getting rid of one album means I'm not a fan. Do you have every album by every band you ever liked? I can't think of a single band whose entire catalogue I own. PJ comes closer than anyone to that distinction.
I'm not trying to piss people off. I often hope someone will catch something I missed and it'll change my mind about their recent material.
I have the entire PJ catalog minus a handful of boots. I have the entire Neil Young catalog, the entire Beatles catalog, the entire Stooges catalog, the entire George Harrison catalog, the entire John Lennon catalog....need I go on?
By all means, you can type whatever you need to "prove" you're a bigger, more real music fan than me. Don't let me stop you. I have most of PJ, Tragically Hip, Wilco, the best albums by the Beatles, Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Neil Young, etc... but why the hell would I need a copy of Arc? Do you like Arc? Do you throw it on often to remind yourself how much it/Neil kicks ass? Or do you just have it for the sake of completion and so that you can say to people like me that "I'm for real because I even pretend to think Arc is a great album"?
Why would I buy albums I don't want to listen to? Why would I play 'With the Beatles" when I could put on Abbey Road, or even Help/Hard Day's Night/Please Please Me if I want some light Beatles pop?0
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