Is this a racial protests?

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    .

    as for Obama and Pelosi not "reaching out"...I guess if you define "reaching out" as "giving the other side everything they want"...I guess you would be correct...as it stands, I've seen absolutely no effort from those on the right to work with Obama and Pelosi...other than saying "no"...

    everything? no. but like I said...the republicans are saying they agree with about 80% of the reforms on the table. I say Obama and Pelosi should embrace that and draft a bill with what they agree on. those reforms alone will be a huge improvement. they are in power, only they have the power to do that. but they don't.

    you do understand the the dems control the white house and congress right?

    aaa dur dee dum de duh...they do...? ;)

    and I'm sure you understand the repubs don't control the white house and congress...therefore, the dems can go tell the repubs to pound salt if they wanted to...sadly they are too pussy to do so..

    It's funny that the repubs are the ones whining about this bill...they had 6 full years to address this issue...they didn't...now they want to cry about it...

    anyway...back to the topic at hand...Yes, I do feel there is a strong racial aspect to these protests...look at the pics from the freak show held on saturday...upset older white folks...in the big picture, 1964 was not that long ago...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:

    aaa dur dee dum de duh...they do...? ;)

    and I'm sure you understand the repubs don't control the white house and congress...therefore, the dems can go tell the repubs to pound salt if they wanted to...sadly they are too pussy to do so..

    this may come as a shock to you. but not all dems are as far left as you or Pelosi. thats why the bill won't pass.
    inmytree wrote:
    It's funny that the repubs are the ones whining about this bill...they had 6 full years to address this issue...they didn't...now they want to cry about it...

    this makes zero sense. seriously, think about what you are saying.
    inmytree wrote:

    anyway...back to the topic at hand...Yes, I do feel there is a strong racial aspect to these protests...look at the pics from the freak show held on saturday...upset older white folks...in the big picture, 1964 was not that long ago...

    I wonder if you felt all the bush=hitler signs were too radical. or maybe that was ok ;)
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    your way its necessarily the right way from everyone. get it?

    so you know already that it would fail in America... you really do have a crystal ball.

    tell me how it would fail?

    jlew24asu wrote:

    and to think today we have a black president. land of the free is right.

    and to think your president before him had the mental capacity of a down syndrome hedgehog... says a lot for your electorate. A black president that won despite things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fieGfc6DL7k ... the above video contains scenes of free racism.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    jlew24asu wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    aaa dur dee dum de duh...they do...? ;)

    and I'm sure you understand the repubs don't control the white house and congress...therefore, the dems can go tell the repubs to pound salt if they wanted to...sadly they are too pussy to do so..

    this may come as a shock to you. but not all dems are as far left as you or Pelosi. thats why the bill won't pass.
    inmytree wrote:
    It's funny that the repubs are the ones whining about this bill...they had 6 full years to address this issue...they didn't...now they want to cry about it...

    this makes zero sense. seriously, think about what you are saying.
    inmytree wrote:

    anyway...back to the topic at hand...Yes, I do feel there is a strong racial aspect to these protests...look at the pics from the freak show held on saturday...upset older white folks...in the big picture, 1964 was not that long ago...

    I wonder if you felt all the bush=hitler signs were too radical. or maybe that was ok ;)

    Speaking as a lefty, those Bush=Hitler signs were ridiculous too...
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    oh and more...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvPJOQhXrak
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD3p_g2jXh8
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    your way its necessarily the right way from everyone. get it?

    so you know already that it would fail in America... you really do have a crystal ball.

    tell me how it would fail?

    to be clear, are you asking why I think universal healthcare would fail in the US?
    dunkman wrote:

    and to think your president before him had the mental capacity of a down syndrome hedgehog... says a lot for your electorate. A black president that won despite things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fieGfc6DL7k ... the above video contains scenes of free racism.

    thats what happens in a free country. people are free to be racist if they want. I don't like it, you don't like, but it happens. all we can do as a free society is scorn these people and pressure our representatives for tougher and tougher anti hate laws.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:


    this makes zero sense. seriously, think about what you are saying.



    I wonder if you felt all the bush=hitler signs were too radical. or maybe that was ok ;)

    ha ha...they had 6 years...!!! 6 years in power...yet, they didn't address shit...abortion is still legal...now the whine...immigration is still an issue...suddenly joe wilson has a problem...the only time they addressed health care was to give a 15 billion subsidy to for-profit insurance...now they cry about a public option...yeah, I guess I make no sense... :roll: :lol:

    as for you comment about the bush=hitler sign...now it's my turn to say you make zero sense...unless you think Obama's war on Healthcare is = to bushys war in Irak...

    and those anti-war protests had lots of folks with signs saying "we came unarmed...for now"...

    and these:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/3913628108/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/3912840785/

    that's class...pure class... :lol:
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    whoever controls these folks is brilliant!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:

    ha ha...they had 6 years...!!! 6 years in power...yet, they didn't address shit...abortion is still legal...now the whine...immigration is still an issue...suddenly joe wilson has a problem...the only time they addressed health care was to give a 15 billion subsidy to for-profit insurance...now they cry about a public option...yeah, I guess I make no sense... :roll: :lol:

    of course they are going to "cry" about a public option. they don't want one. so I'm not sure why you sound so surprised that the right has a problem with it
    inmytree wrote:
    as for you comment about the bush=hitler sign...now it's my turn to say you make zero sense...

    it was just a question. did you think those signs were too radical?
    inmytree wrote:
    unless you think Obama's war on Healthcare is = to bushys war in Irak...

    and those anti-war protests had lots of folks with signs saying "we came unarmed...for now"...

    and these:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/3913628108/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/3912840785/

    that's class...pure class... :lol:

    and I'm sure I could dig up signs from the left that are just as disgusting. you seem to think its only a problem on the right :?
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    ha ha...they had 6 years...!!! 6 years in power...yet, they didn't address shit...abortion is still legal...now the whine...immigration is still an issue...suddenly joe wilson has a problem...the only time they addressed health care was to give a 15 billion subsidy to for-profit insurance...now they cry about a public option...yeah, I guess I make no sense... :roll: :lol:

    of course they are going to "cry" about a public option. they don't want one. so I'm not sure why you sound so surprised that the right has a problem with it
    inmytree wrote:
    as for you comment about the bush=hitler sign...now it's my turn to say you make zero sense...

    it was just a question. did you think those signs were too radical?
    inmytree wrote:
    unless you think Obama's war on Healthcare is = to bushys war in Irak...

    and those anti-war protests had lots of folks with signs saying "we came unarmed...for now"...

    and these:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/3913628108/

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/3912840785/

    that's class...pure class... :lol:

    and I'm sure I could dig up signs from the left that are just as disgusting. you seem to think its only a problem on the right :?


    no, sir...it's not a right or left problem...it's crazy fucker problem...seriously, how many signs implied violence toward bush...? was the nazi thing a bit much..? sure...I'll give you that...but for me, the racial undertones and blatant racist signs are over the top...idiots are bring guns to a healthcare rally...morons are implying the next time the show up they will be armed...

    hey, if your seeing these protests as equal...so be it...I don't...
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    In a crowd that size there always be different degrees of protest. You will always find viscous signs from the right or left. And of course the media( left ) is going to brand the protesters as kooks and racist. so of course the ideologues will agree with them. The fact of the matter here is that Obama believes that a hudge federal government can bring relief and prosperity to the American people,but many Americans DO NOT.....they think including me BIG GOVERNMENT will harm us and Fuck things up so badly everyone will suffer,not just those without Health insurance
    The latest Rasmusssen poll says 51% have a favorable view of Obama care while 46% oppose it after his speech on wed.
    But 38% strongly oppose 28% storongly favor
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:

    no, sir...it's not a right or left problem...it's crazy fucker problem...seriously, how many signs implied violence toward bush...? was the nazi thing a bit much..? sure...I'll give you that...but for me, the racial undertones and blatant racist signs are over the top...idiots are bring guns to a healthcare rally...morons are implying the next time the show up they will be armed...

    hey, if your seeing these protests as equal...so be it...I don't...

    you left wing bias is un fucking real. heres just one....let me know if you want more.

    http://www.zombietime.com/us_out_of_ira ... G_2416.JPG
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    no, sir...it's not a right or left problem...it's crazy fucker problem...seriously, how many signs implied violence toward bush...? was the nazi thing a bit much..? sure...I'll give you that...but for me, the racial undertones and blatant racist signs are over the top...idiots are bring guns to a healthcare rally...morons are implying the next time the show up they will be armed...

    hey, if your seeing these protests as equal...so be it...I don't...

    you left wing bias is un fucking real. heres just one....let me know if you want more.

    http://www.zombietime.com/us_out_of_ira ... G_2416.JPG

    that guy is a assclown...see we can agree...

    help me out, are you for or against crazy protesters who advocate violence....

    from what I'm getting is that you think the idiots in DC this past weekend are ok your book...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    edited September 2009
    inmytree wrote:

    that guy is a assclown...see we can agree...

    help me out, are you for or against crazy protesters who advocate violence....

    from what I'm getting is that you think the idiots in DC this past weekend are ok your book...


    :roll:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I didn't watch the OPs link but from other video I've seen, the protesters are an absolutely sick in the head. some of those signs made me want to vomit.

    the extreme assholes on the right and left are a disgrace to this country.

    I believe its YOU who said the people in these protests aren't equal.
  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Cosmo wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I didn't watch the OPs link but from other video I've seen, the protesters are an absolutely sick in the head. some of those signs made me want to vomit.

    the extreme assholes on the right and left are a disgrace to this country.
    ...
    I agree...
    What we really need is to drop the ridiculous... imagined divide in America.
    If anyone thinks Health Care is just fine... as is... really needs to look into the numbers and see what chaos it will bring if left.. as is.
    Most Americans feel the system needs to be reformed... so, let's work together and come up with a solution. If you don't like the current HR3200 bill going around... offer up amanedments to it... change the language in it... lobby for the parts you want... agrue the points you want taken out.
    This moronic Red vs. Blue shit really needs to end. It is getting us nowhere... and a divided country never wins.
    Bully!!! Division only makes you smaller.
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    that guy is a assclown...see we can agree...

    help me out, are you for or against crazy protesters who advocate violence....

    from what I'm getting is that you think the idiots in DC this past weekend are ok your book...


    :roll:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I didn't watch the OPs link but from other video I've seen, the protesters are an absolutely sick in the head. some of those signs made me want to vomit.

    the extreme assholes on the right and left are a disgrace to this country.

    I believe its YOU who said the people in these protests aren't equal.

    um...ok...personally, I don't see the world in black and white, for me the world is gray...I'm not a big fan of absolutes...so you found one photo of some assclown at a anti-war rally...I guess in your book, those advocating violence this past weekend get a free pass because of the smoe in the orange shirt...

    I love the "well he did it, why can't I" arguement ...

    I contend this...the antiwar folks are not the same as the teabagger folks...the motivations are very different...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:

    um...ok...personally, I don't see the world in black and white, for me the world is gray...I'm not a big fan of absolutes...so you found one photo of some assclown at a anti-war rally...I guess in your book, those advocating violence this past weekend get a free pass because of the smoe in the orange shirt...

    I love the "well he did it, why can't I" arguement ...

    what the fuck is wrong with you? do you know how to read? did you not see what I said?
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I didn't watch the OPs link but from other video I've seen, the protesters are an absolutely sick in the head. some of those signs made me want to vomit.

    the extreme assholes on the right and left are a disgrace to this country.


    how am I giving them a free pass?


    I really don't see how much clearer I can be. stop putting words in my mouth.

    inmytree wrote:
    I contend this...the antiwar folks are not the same as the teabagger folks...the motivations are very different...

    seems pretty clear that you are giving anti war folks a pass though.


    guess what, people who wish the president, no matter who be, dead...or compare them to hitler...ARE THE SAME breed of asshole. sorry you dont think so.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:

    ...I misread you post...my error...

    having another moment?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    mb262200 wrote:
    What is this protests really about?? Try to find one colored person....there isn't one. I can't help but wonder.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtdzSTfe4W8

    Are you aware that you can edit the title of your thread? It should say "Is this a racial protest?' Just thought I'd point that out ;)
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/se ... lie-racist

    The former US president Jimmy Carter has condemned as "dastardly" and "based on racism" a southern Republican's outburst during Barack Obama's big healthcare speech to Congress last week. Carter said the "You lie" interjection by Joe Wilson showed there was "an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president".

    The 84-year-old said the case was part of a disturbing trend directed at Obama that has included equating the president to Nazi leaders. "Those kind of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate on whether we should have a national programme on healthcare. It's deeper than that."

    In an interview with NBC News, Carter attributed much of the conservative opposition to Obama to his race. "I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man.

    "I live in the south and I've seen the south come a long way, and I've seen the rest of the country that share the south's attitude toward minority groups at that time, particularly African-Americans.

    "And that racism inclination still exists. And I think it's bubbled up to the surface because of the belief among many white people, not just in the south but around the country, that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country. It's an abominable circumstance and it grieves me and concerns me very deeply."
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.

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