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slightofjeff wrote:cincybearcat wrote:So every album is political then. So why even bother labeling any of them?
Yeah, this conversation is kind of pointless. I don't neccesarily mean that in an angry way. It's just there's a battle of semantics with this guy that is impossible to settle.
If the guy thinks Michael Jackson's "Thriller" or Shania Twain's "Man, I Feel Like a Woman" are political songs, then I don't even know what to say.
Every band is a political band. Every song is a political song. Every album is a political album.
Okay, then.
i've got some if you need it.
couldn't resist!
people who choose to bow out of being involved in politics, avoid politics......sure, a political decision, but then that does not make their EVERY action and decision political either. same with those who are involved in politics. one may choose to label it as such, but doesn't make it so. labels are usually more defining and convenient for the labeler...and not necessarily attuned to that which they label.Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow0 -
So, we are all born politicians, most of us just don't choose to get upto the podium to preach it.
This is my polotical desision.
I am Mark & I aprove this message.0 -
interesting how people are sort of narrow minded. If someone asks you "are you political, are you into politics?" And you say "no I am not", isnt that a political statement and a political action?
We are in interesting times people. 2 wars, the worst economic crisis since the 1929 crash. When Britney is singing a song about paparazzi or what not, how is that not a political action?
I know its a pointless conversation.
People have been led to believe all political songs sound like Fight the Power or Blowin in the Wind. And I am sorry, but thats just not true.0 -
decides2dream wrote:slightofjeff wrote:cincybearcat wrote:So every album is political then. So why even bother labeling any of them?
Yeah, this conversation is kind of pointless. I don't neccesarily mean that in an angry way. It's just there's a battle of semantics with this guy that is impossible to settle.
If the guy thinks Michael Jackson's "Thriller" or Shania Twain's "Man, I Feel Like a Woman" are political songs, then I don't even know what to say.
Every band is a political band. Every song is a political song. Every album is a political album.
Okay, then.
i've got some if you need it.
couldn't resist!
people who choose to bow out of being involved in politics, avoid politics......sure, a political decision, but then that does not make their EVERY action and decision political either. same with those who are involved in politics. one may choose to label it as such, but doesn't make it so. labels are usually more defining and convenient for the labeler...and not necessarily attuned to that which they label.
In these days and times I disagree. Choosing to walk to work instead of taking a car is a political decision. Bringing your own bags to a grocery store is a political decision. We make tons of these choices every day.0 -
musicismylife78 wrote:interesting how people are sort of narrow minded. If someone asks you "are you political, are you into politics?" And you say "no I am not", isnt that a political statement and a political action?
We are in interesting times people. 2 wars, the worst economic crisis since the 1929 crash. When Britney is singing a song about paparazzi or what not, how is that not a political action?
I know its a pointless conversation.
People have been led to believe all political songs sound like Fight the Power or Blowin in the Wind. And I am sorry, but thats just not true.
Better put, you just don't BELIEVE this to be true. And that's fine. But you might be the only person in the world that actually believes this.
If I choose to walk to work, it might be a political act.
Or it might be because I am a fatass and I need to lose weight.
Or it might be because my car is in the shop.
Your logic really doesn't hold up. But it's your logic to do with as you may. I just don't see the point of this discussion if you are going to label every song in the history of mankind to be a political song.
Mary Had a Little Lamb? Man, that lamb was SO oppressed, man.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do0 -
musicismylife78 wrote:When Britney is singing a song about paparazzi or what not, how is that not a political action?
It may be a political action, but that doesn't make the song about politics.0 -
slightofjeff wrote:musicismylife78 wrote:interesting how people are sort of narrow minded. If someone asks you "are you political, are you into politics?" And you say "no I am not", isnt that a political statement and a political action?
We are in interesting times people. 2 wars, the worst economic crisis since the 1929 crash. When Britney is singing a song about paparazzi or what not, how is that not a political action?
I know its a pointless conversation.
People have been led to believe all political songs sound like Fight the Power or Blowin in the Wind. And I am sorry, but thats just not true.
Better put, you just don't BELIEVE this to be true. And that's fine. But you might be the only person in the world that actually believes this.
If I choose to walk to work, it might be a political act.
Or it might be because I am a fatass and I need to lose weight.
Or it might be because my car is in the shop.
Your logic really doesn't hold up. But it's your logic to do with as you may. I just don't see the point of this discussion if you are going to label every song in the history of mankind to be a political song.
Mary Had a Little Lamb? Man, that lamb was SO oppressed, man.
Or they want to save $.hippiemom = goodness0 -
its a political one..that people have to wake up ,to raise up..to make the change..."...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”0 -
I think it's about the lack of consumer spending due to paranoia of this bad economy. Shops are closing, people aren't buying music, people are not going out as often.
And we're left with companies trying to sell their stuff saying, "I got some if you need it".
The bridge about dropping bombs and diplomatic resolve make me think, "if we weren't spending money on this needless war, we'd have some money for our country".
That's my best guess.0 -
musicismylife78 wrote:decides2dream wrote:slightofjeff wrote:
Yeah, this conversation is kind of pointless. I don't neccesarily mean that in an angry way. It's just there's a battle of semantics with this guy that is impossible to settle.
If the guy thinks Michael Jackson's "Thriller" or Shania Twain's "Man, I Feel Like a Woman" are political songs, then I don't even know what to say.
Every band is a political band. Every song is a political song. Every album is a political album.
Okay, then.
i've got some if you need it.
couldn't resist!
people who choose to bow out of being involved in politics, avoid politics......sure, a political decision, but then that does not make their EVERY action and decision political either. same with those who are involved in politics. one may choose to label it as such, but doesn't make it so. labels are usually more defining and convenient for the labeler...and not necessarily attuned to that which they label.
In these days and times I disagree. Choosing to walk to work instead of taking a car is a political decision. Bringing your own bags to a grocery store is a political decision. We make tons of these choices every day.
it's almost funny how you do not see the irony of you saying people are 'close-minded' when they don't actually agree with your personal pov. :P
actually, for many....choosing to walk to work and bring your own lunch, for MANY is actually a decision of ECONOMICS, and not political. tho it MAY be political too. that's the only difference. the fact that YOU choose to label it 'political' again, does not make it's intent of the labeled so. we do make tons of these choices every day, for a MYRIAD of reasons...some political, some not. your personal definitions actually don't fit for everyone else. how's that for 'open-mindedness'........?
how *I* choose to feel...is how i am
not how you choose to label my choices
for the record
i choose
to walk/public transport it to work
brown-bag my lunch daily
bring my own bags to the grocers
YOU may consider all my actions 'political'.....*I* consider them economical/environmental....and since they are *MY* choices, i think i know my own intent. but you go on ahead with all that open-mindedness and tell us really what we are doing.... :?Stay with me...
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow0 -
cokelogic wrote:I think it's about the lack of consumer spending due to paranoia of this bad economy. Shops are closing, people aren't buying music, people are not going out as often.
And we're left with companies trying to sell their stuff saying, "I got some if you need it".
The bridge about dropping bombs and diplomatic resolve make me think, "if we weren't spending money on this needless war, we'd have some money for our country".
That's my best guess.
Holy shit! THERE'S your fuckin' Target commercial ... LOLeverybody wants the most they can possibly get
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some clown said:
"We and the band can moan all day and night about how bad bush was and how he started two stupid and needless wars..."
"He has had 4 months to end 2 illegal and immoral wars"...
Just to be clear, one war may have been "illegal, immoral, stupid and needless". But one war is legal, moral, and necessary. Just to remind you, we were attacked by scumbags operating out of Afghanistan. Nearly three thousand Americans died. Nobody likes war (except maybe Dick Cheney from the safety of his bunker), but sometimes you have to fight them. So quit the generalizations please. We got your point. Anyway I think the song's about hope.0 -
This tune is blatantly geared towards the current administration and if they are keeping to their " promises " as well as the lack of swift action in Iraq. Let's face it, Obama said he would end the war fast, 2012 seems a bit too far away for my liking. What is his plan for the meantime, are they in or are they out?
We all know that Ed is anitwar, it makes perfect sense to me why they chose that song for Conan's premiere, it was not just to give you a taste of the new album. This band has a deep messege that can benefit society if only people would stop and listen instead of focusing on what store is going to sell their new album.
despite how many "fans" think they are selling out to Target, PJ's music continues to put forth a strong opinion of urgency for reform (Therefore not a "cheap" album of material and worth buying from any store who sells it).
This song's meaning is pretty obvious to me.
I think this song portrays an urgency to be non complacent
Basically get off your ass and if you need motivation Ed will provide it for you...
Also mocking the bailout mentality of recent politics..God Loves Pearl Jam0 -
elevation622 wrote:
Just to be clear, one war may have been "illegal, immoral, stupid and needless". But one war is legal, moral, and necessary. Just to remind you, we were attacked by scumbags operating out of Afghanistan. Nearly three thousand Americans died. Nobody likes war (except maybe Dick Cheney from the safety of his bunker), but sometimes you have to fight them. So quit the generalizations please. We got your point. Anyway I think the song's about hope.
first of all this "war" is not necessary...it is always illegal, immoral, stupid and needles..the people who attacked us are NOT operating out of Afghanistan...you my friend are a victim of lies, propaganda & disinformation..which it appears you swallowed hook, line & sinker..and maybe some of the fucking rod too!!
and if there is hope...it is in the form of people like you stopping themselves from being manipulated by the media and seeking the truth..for the truth shall set you free.0 -
I think you guys are confusing the word "political" with what should be termed "philosophical". If you choose to ride your bike to work instead of driving your car, it's a philosophical decision based on your viewpoint on global warming, energy conservation, "green" living. Calling it political is just plain wrong -it's personal philosophy.
Almost all of PJ's songs express a particular philosophy - whether about love, greed, whatever. Many are about the actions of governments, war, political figures etc ....THOSE songs are political. Governments don't have philosophies, they have constitutions and Bill of Rights. Governments and their actions are political.~I want to realize brotherhood or identity not merely with the beings called human, but I want to realize identity with all life, even with such things as crawl upon earth.~
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau0 -
woundedorgan wrote:This tune is blatantly geared towards the current administration and if they are keeping to their " promises " as well as the lack of swift action in Iraq. Let's face it, Obama said he would end the war fast, 2012 seems a bit too far away for my liking. What is his plan for the meantime, are they in or are they out?
We all know that Ed is anitwar, it makes perfect sense to me why they chose that song for Conan's premiere, it was not just to give you a taste of the new album. This band has a deep messege that can benefit society if only people would stop and listen instead of focusing on what store is going to sell their new album.
despite how many "fans" think they are selling out to Target, PJ's music continues to put forth a strong opinion of urgency for reform (Therefore not a "cheap" album of material and worth buying from any store who sells it).
This song's meaning is pretty obvious to me.
I think this song portrays an urgency to be non complacent
Basically get off your ass and if you need motivation Ed will provide it for you...
Also mocking the bailout mentality of recent politics..
I can see how you would think that. I just don't think it is true.
There's a good chance the song was written before Obama took office. Plus, judging from Ed's comments leading up to the election, I think he understood that ending the war(s) was going to be a gradual thing.
I don't think he's too pissed off about Obama and Iraq just yet.everybody wants the most they can possibly get
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U R A Crazy Breed wrote:elevation622 wrote:
Just to be clear, one war may have been "illegal, immoral, stupid and needless". But one war is legal, moral, and necessary. Just to remind you, we were attacked by scumbags operating out of Afghanistan. Nearly three thousand Americans died. Nobody likes war (except maybe Dick Cheney from the safety of his bunker), but sometimes you have to fight them. So quit the generalizations please. We got your point. Anyway I think the song's about hope.
first of all this "war" is not necessary...it is always illegal, immoral, stupid and needles..the people who attacked us are NOT operating out of Afghanistan...you my friend are a victim of lies, propaganda & disinformation..which it appears you swallowed hook, line & sinker..and maybe some of the fucking rod too!!
and if there is hope...it is in the form of people like you stopping themselves from being manipulated by the media and seeking the truth..for the truth shall set you free.
In order to improve yourself, you wish to seek the following training:
1) Anger Management
2) How to make friends and influence people
3) How not to come across like a crazy, holier than thou prick
And back to your regularly scheduled program....
I love "Got Some".hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat wrote:
In order to improve yourself, you wish to seek the following training:
1) Anger Management
2) How to make friends and influence people
3) How not to come across like a crazy, holier than thou prick
And back to your regularly scheduled program....
I love "Got Some".
1 "your anger is a gift!!" Zach De La Rocha
2 i have plenty of friends "I have no patience for stupid people or shitty music" Eddie Vedder
3 Crazy?...nah...Holier than thou?...nah...more informed?...yes....prick? fuck with me and i can be.
now back to the programed0 -
Or Life Wasted.
Or Parachutes (just because it says "war' does not mean it's political).
Unemployable is more of a social issues song. Not a political one ... but I'll still give it to you.
It takes some gymnastics to read Gone as a purely political song ... don't get fixated on the gas-in-my-tank line.
Come Back is about the living, coping with life after death.
Inside Job is about Mike's battle with addiction.
So not EVERY song Pearl Jam writes is political, although I'll admit they've gotten more and more overtly political lately. Which is cool. But it's starting to wear thin a bit.
for what its worth, I was highly political in 06 when avocado came out, and felt I identified with every song.
The entire album is about various ways to cope with war.
Life Wasted is political. Its saying, I dont want to deal with feeling sad about things, the war, or politics, I want to live life to the fullest. That in itself is a political statement and action. This person decides that the way to live life during war is to seize the day.
Parachutes is about relationships. This person feels dealing with a war, should involve a partner or lover. Again, to act in that manner, to fall in love, or to need the support and love of someone else as a counter to war is a political action
Big Wave you could be right. Ed said it was a break in between the intense songs. That quote along suggests the majority of the record if not all except big wave is political. However ed does seem to view surfing as political, he said something like "any location mentioned in a beach boys song should be considered holy and not messed with". He was talking about pollution.
Unemployable is a political song. Its a person so stressed out with the world around him, with the issues of the day, with his job, with his boss, with trying to pay the bills, that he cant sleep and is going a little crazy. He feels sick. The refrain of scared alive is a political statement especially in these times. Its so easy to want to cower under a desk and hide, or not leave your bed, or go build a bunker. All make sense in these scary times. Yet, this person is scared alive. The war, and politics and their job and how crappy they are treated has made them appreciate life more and not want to waste it. Again, this is a political statement
Gone is overtly political. Its about feeling so pissed off at the war and the world that you want to pull a Into the Wild type move and just move out into the wilderness away from society, away from the city. How could this not be a political song.
come back obviously is about one of the ramones, but I listened to it and immediately thought of someone who lost their friend or lover in the war. Either they died or they are still in the war.
And Inside Job, is about how, in order to deal with the worlds problems, and be an activist, you first have to be able to sort out the issues in your own personal life. You have to find out who you are first, before you can really be a great activist.
Mmmm, to me, there was always a significant meaning to the last 4 songs on ST. To me ST was a reflection on the war(s); taking different angles and pov of this war. From the point of view of a soldier (Severed Hand), a volunteer (Life Wasted) to the veterane (Gone, Unemployable etc.). You could actually make a rock musical out of this one! (Bad idea, but still...)
Approaching the album this way the last four songs have a very specific meaning.
"Life Wasted Reprise" is an interlude, going back to the original song, full of hope and anguish. But this time it sounds desolate and disillusioned.
"Army Reserve" is taking the war from a family oriented pov. An army family waiting for their loved one to come home. (I have to admit that I'm a bit biased here. When I lived in the States, I knew some families who lived in Army housing etc. I know their feelings and this song translates these feelings - in my opinion - very honest and straightforward. It truly captures these families I knew, with all their internal battles, during the First Gulf War. This is therefore - for me at least - one of the strongest and sensitive song on the album.)
"Come Back" to me is about a loss. (Maybe a soldier in the aforementioned song?) And how to deal with this loss; feeling a presence of someone who is no longer there. (BTW: I know that Ed Vedder said this song was about the Ramones, but this is just my interpretation, where I try to put the song in the context of the album.)
"Inside Job" is therefore (in my opinion) not about an activist, but the same protagonist as the previous song. It's now about "overcoming" pain and dealing with loss in a mature way and returning to the same hope from which the album started. But it's a different sense of hope. It's hope drenched with reality. Not the young hope and restless hope of "Life Wasted".
Any way, just my interpretation.
I do agree with you that "not acting" in these "interesting times" = a political choice. (Like the aforementioned Britney Spears example.) I do wonder though if this choice is actually consciencly made.0 -
all I know is...he's got some, and I need it.0
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